Cowboys .. NT Manslaughter

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Is it just me or was this ass hole on the side lines during todays game ????

Yeah not comfortable with that.

Cloak I thought they released it and BAC was 1.8

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Yeah not comfortable with that.

Cloak I thought they released it and BAC was 1.8

That was Brent's.........I was referring to Brown's.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Is it just me or was this ass hole on the side lines during todays game ????

This is the type of classy act you would expect from the Jerry and his Girls, not to mention CBS for making a point to specifically follow him on the sidelines.
Support by your team mates is one thing, but the tastelessness of the situation does not have to be flaunted in front of 100,000 live and millions over the airwaves. If they want to show their support, let them show it behind locked doors in their locker room.......where the stench is just as strong as the situation.

[CloakNNNdagger]

To demonstrate support, Jerry is making Brent the new Girls' team bus driver......under the condition that he blows less than 0.08 ..............before getting on and after getting off the bus.

[hradhak]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

This is the type of classy act you would expect from the Jerry and his Girls, not to mention CBS for making a point to specifically follow him on the sidelines.
Support by your team mates is one thing, but the tastelessness of the situation does not have to be flaunted in front of 100,000 live and millions over the airwaves. If they want to show their support, let them show it behind locked doors in their locker room.......where the stench is just as strong as the situation.

I think this was a pretty sleazy move by the Cowboys.
Nonetheless to be fair, the mother of the deceased asked that he be allowed back on the team.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Jerry and Jason supposedly both deny knowing anything about the fact that he was going to show up on the side lines.link

The Cowboys placed him on the non-football injury list, which makes him ineligible to play but he can attend team functions. He apparently left the sidelines during the second half.

“Our team and our players wanted him today on the sideline,” Jones said after the game. “Jerry’s mother asked us directly as a group. She said, ‘Support him. Help him. He needs your help. Jerry wants that. I want that.’ His teammates asked him to come and be down there with them, and that’s where we are.

“I do know that certainly that there’s the other side of the coin, but this is a case that the people that arguably he’s the closest to really wanting him around for him.”

Brent’s presence caused a bit of controversy, and will likely continue to. Cowboys Stadium is a big place, and if they wanted to have him around, there are a lot of places they can put him that wouldn’t be as conspicuous as the sidelines.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jones'/Garret's statement was an after the fact concoction......after they saw the negative reaction that was produced by Brent's presence.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Now per the NFL and Cowboys, neither feel it was appropriate to have had Brent on the sidelines.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/josh-brent-no-longer-allowed-on-cowboys-sideline/

[CloakNNNdagger]

Blind justice isn't so blind......

Bond lowered for Cowboy Brent, must wear monitor

[Wolf]

Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?

DALLAS (AP) -- An autopsy has found that Dallas Cowboys practice squad player Jerry Brown Jr. was sober when he was killed in a crash that led to an intoxication manslaughter charge against the teammate at the wheel.
The Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office reported Thursday that Brown died of head and neck trauma when their vehicle overturned. He had a dislocated neck, a severely bruised spine and a blood alcohol content of 0.056 percent. That's well below the Texas drunken driving standard of 0.08 percent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy...9738--nfl.html

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy...9738--nfl.html

An even sadder scenario, in that Brown showed as much insight to avoiding the situation being "sober" as Brent did being drunk. Very sad.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Autopsy shows that brown was sober.

Questions are now why was Brent driving then? Didn't want to give the keys?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/autopsy...9738--nfl.html

While I wouldnt call that sober he certainly should have been in better shape than you friend

[bckey]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

While I wouldnt call that sober he certainly should have been in better shape than you friend

What do you call it, impaired? Come on man.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by bckey

What do you call it, impaired? Come on man.

Call it what you want but it is not sober. At .05 you would show signs of being impaired and your motor skills would be impacted.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Call it what you want but it is not sober. At .05 you would show signs of being impaired and your motor skills would be impacted.

Some people would show signs, most not. For a man his size that is two martinis consumed over 1.5 hours.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Some people would show signs, most not. For a man his size that is two martinis consumed over 1.5 hours.

Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

BS,

Three beers/drinks in an hr =impaired=LOL for most people, let alone a 260 lb man who is used to drinking.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Well it's not easy to guess how many drinks he could have per his bac because the number of variables is far too great. That said most resources that I have seen would put a rate of 2-3 drinks an hour for 2 hours around .05 to .06 for someone 260ish and down play it all you want but saying most wouldn't show any signs of impairment is just plain silly. Further more 0.05 is not sober.

I got it from a police department BAC calculator which by the way included body weight. I am not playing down anything. I am contradicting your assertion which I find to be a ridiculous overstatement. To be clear, I am not saying someone at .05 has zero effects - sure propensity to laugh at or tell poor jokes, hug people maybe they shouldn't, evaluate their own looks too highly, etc. I am saying they will most often show no visible signs and have no physical impediment. In addition to the literature on it, it is common sense experience. Couples routinely go out to dinner, split a bottle of wine and maybe even have a drink before dinner or after and show absolutely no physical impediment and are easily in that BAC range. You seem to be acting like folks with a .05 are stumbling, mumbling drunks.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I got it from a police department BAC calculator which by the way included body weight. I am not playing down anything. I am contradicting your assertion which I find to be a ridiculous overstatement. To be clear, I am not saying someone at .05 has zero effects - sure propensity to laugh at or tell poor jokes, hug people maybe they shouldn't, evaluate their own looks too highly, etc. I am saying they will most often show no visible signs and have no physical impediment. In addition to the literature on it, it is common sense experience. Couples routinely go out to dinner, split a bottle of wine and maybe even have a drink before dinner or after and show absolutely no physical impediment and are easily in that BAC range. You seem to be acting like folks with a .05 are stumbling, mumbling drunks.

No where did I say .05 was stumbling/mumbling drunks. If you could highlight where I said that please do so. Also while you are at it post all your resources that would support that 0.056 which is what Brown was shows no impairment for most people.

Also your drinks per hour seem to be off a bit which may be part of the issue. Two glasses of wine in a hour for 140ish person is around .03 200 lbs would be .02 three drinks in 2 hours the numbers stay around the same.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

BS,

Three beers/drinks in an hr =impaired=LOL for most people, let alone a 260 lb man who is used to drinking.

That would be around .03 not .056 4 beers would still be under or around .05 however if you drink often you process alcohol more efficiently than those who don't. That's why I said trying to figure how many drinks were consumed is almost impossible.

[CloakNNNdagger]

In this and other thread, we’ve spoken about drinking and its effects. I just wanted to bring up some additional info as relates to “size” of an involved individual.

There is a deeply ingrained misconception about a large person, such as Brent always being able to drink more than a smaller person before exhibiting the effects of alcohol, or the level of effect, as well as how long the effects can last.

Yes, there will be some difference based on the total volume of blood in a small vs large person, and therefore some ability to dilute the alcohol somewhat in the larger person....not much of a factor when comparing a 200 pounder to a 300 pounder.

BUT

Body fat content is a commonly overlooked major factor in inebriation and length of inebriation. Body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol. Therefore a person with higher body fat is going to have a higher BAC than a person who has less body fat. Since body fat cannot absorb alcohol, it instead forces the alcohol to remain in the bloodstream until the liver can break it down. The liver can only break down about one alcoholic drink per hour. The longer the alcohol remains in a person’s bloodstream, the longer they will feel inebriated.

Women tend to have a higher BAC than men do. This is because women have a higher percentage of body fat and a smaller amount of an enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase that helps break down alcohol. Women also have less blood than men do because they are usually smaller in size.

Tolerance for alcohol seemed a lot higher when you are 21. The longer it took the inevitably feel the affects of alcohol, the more alcohol you probably consumed. Body fat tends to increase with age and enzyme action tends to slow down as a person gets older. And, again, body fat doesn’t absorb alcohol and the more body fat a person has, the higher their BAC will be and the more and longer he stays inebriated.

Also, as an aside, if a person is stressed or angry, they are likely to have a higher BAC than a person who is calm. When a person is under stress or is upset, their body tends to divert blood away from the stomach and small intestines, and instead moves it to the muscles. The reduced blood flow slows down the absorption of alcohol into the bloodstream. The angry or stressed person might not feel the affects of the alcohol immediately and continue drinking. As soon as the person calms down and the blood flow returns to the stomach, the person could experience a sudden increase in their BAC.