What will it take to make you feel better about this team?

[Perki-Perk]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

[Tazwell]

To make me feel better? Limit penalties, have Matt Shaub not under throw
Open receivers, we have to convert on third downs and in red zone. There
Are a lot more but those are the most important. Even when we win and don't do these things I don't feel good about the team.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

I think that if my comments ruffled your feathers then you are probably one of the extremists the post was intended for.

It would be futile to take on every person who is letting their emotions get the better of themselves. It is a landslide of emotional over reactions in here. I was addressing those posters, and if my post struck a nerve with you, then perhaps you should examine your life and stop questioning the possible mundane nature of mine. That is a silly Jr High veiled insult that has no place in this discussion. Just more irrational, emotional baggage because your feelings were hurt.

You are the one who is being extreme not me... and if anyone is acting like a 15 year old girl at her quinceanera, it is you and the sissies who are crying and calling for the heads of those they feel are responsible.

As far as debating with facts... I have tried that, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who is being emotional, and irrational.

In regards to the number of pro bowlers we have, or what our record is... Why do those things suddenly have anything to do with your expectations. Everyone openly admits that Pro Bowl selections are a popularity contest, not something you can hang your Super Bowl aspirations on. The expectations of this team from a certain portion of the Texans fan base are WAY too high IMHO.

As far as your bowel movements go, that just too much information dude and I would ask that you kindly keep that to yourself. Relating your football team to your bowel movements concerns me on a number of levels.

Go back & read your post that I quoted. You mention fans passion and raising of their kids. You truly don't think emotions are part of being a sports fan? man, read your own words. My feelings are not hurt when someone makes silly statements about other people's opinions in a generalized way. Pick out folks and be specific and I am willing to be the example if you choose. Take any of my posts, I have a few thousand and debate me. I think I can hang with you for a while at least.

You just come in and start spouting off YOUR OPINIONS. Well that is cool but allow others to express theirs. Yes there always some over and under reactions but state why you think so. You say you have tried debating with facts but I doubt that due to your post counts. I am not want to rag on new folks and have defended them and encouraged them on other threads.

It is too funny that you question others lives then tell me not to question yours.

[Nitrofish]

Originally Posted by badboy

Go back & read your post that I quoted. You mention fans passion and raising of their kids. You truly don't think emotions are part of being a sports fan? man, read your own words. My feelings are not hurt when someone makes silly statements about other people's opinions in a generalized way. Pick out folks and be specific and I am willing to be the example if you choose. Take any of my posts, I have a few thousand and debate me. I think I can hang with you for a while at least.

You just come in and start spouting off YOUR OPINIONS. Well that is cool but allow others to express theirs. Yes there always some over and under reactions but state why you think so. You say you have tried debating with facts but I doubt that due to your post counts. I am not want to rag on new folks and habe defended them and encouraged them on other links.

It is too funny that you question others lives then tell me not to question yours.

Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense from the usual suspects about how the Texans suck and how they are doomed, and or cursed.

And this is just one single thread... there are many more out there with the same kind of hysterical mumbo jumbo so please spare me the drama about how I entered the thread and allowing others to express their opinions. I would say they have expressed them with great frequency since the loss in Indy.

Oh my post count... I see, so your post count is bigger than mine is that it? lol. Sorry dude but I do not measure my life based on post counts and I resent the fact that you insinuate that I have not made a contribution to the community with the time I have taken to comment.

If I come across posts of yours I feel like commenting on, I certainly will, but I have no desire to debate with irrational people about their hate for Kubiak and Schaub and how all of the Texans problems stem from those two individuals. I am not saying you are one of those people, but clearly that is who my post was intended for.

It was you who decided to chime in and champion for the poor beleaguered masses of Schaub\Kubiak haters so feverishly posting in this thread, so I can only assume that you are one of those unrealistic, hysterical people of which I was speaking. If not, perhaps you should choose your battles more carefully.

Sure emotions are part of being a fan, but are you suggesting that there is no line that is crossed at some point where it is no longer emotion, but obsession? Come on dude, there has to be some kind of reasonable amount of emotional distress that a fan goes through after a tough finish like what happened to the Texans, but if you cannot see that is has crossed over into hysterical obsession than I pity you and anyone else who carries these things around with them on a daily basis.

It's just a game... Get over it.

Not sure where I questioned anyone's lives, but if you say I did I must have. Much like if poster A says everything is Schaub's fault, or poster B says it is all Kubiak it must be true.

Go ahead and call me names, make fun of me, judge me, question my life... The sun will still rise tomorrow and I will not lose a second of sleep because you base your self worth on your post count, or join date.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense from the usual suspects about how the Texans suck and how they are doomed, and or cursed.

And this is just one single thread... there are many more out there with the same kind of hysterical mumbo jumbo so please spare me the drama about how I entered the thread and allowing others to express their opinions. I would say they have expressed them with great frequency since the loss in Indy.

Oh my post count... I see, so your post count is bigger than mine is that it? lol. Sorry dude but I do not measure my life based on post counts and I resent the fact that you insinuate that I have not made a contribution to the community with the time I have taken to comment. You said the following with 133 posts. It does not seem to me that that amount has allowed you to debate anyone. That is the only reason I mentioned them As far as debating with facts... I have tried that, and if there is one thing I have learned in life, it's that you cannot have a rational discussion with someone who is being emotional, and irrational

If I come across posts of yours I feel like commenting on, I certainly will, but I have no desire to debate with irrational people about their hate for Kubiak and Schaub and how all of the Texans problems stem from those two individuals. I am not saying you are one of those people, but clearly that is who my post was intended for.

It was you who decided to chime in and champion for the poor beleaguered masses of Schaub\Kubiak haters so feverishly posting in this thread, so I can only assume that you are one of those unrealistic, hysterical people of which I was speaking. If not, perhaps you should choose your battles more carefully.

Sure emotions are part of being a fan, but are you suggesting that there is no line that is crossed at some point where it is no longer emotion, but obsession? Come on dude, there has to be some kind of reasonable amount of emotional distress that a fan goes through after a tough finish like what happened to the Texans, but if you cannot see that is has crossed over into hysterical obsession than I pity you and anyone else who carries these things around with them on a daily basis.

It's just a game... Get over it.

Not sure where I questioned anyone's lives, but if you say I did I must have. Much like if poster A says everything is Schaub's fault, or poster B says it is all Kubiak it must be true.

Go ahead and call me names, make fun of me, judge me, question my life... The sun will still rise tomorrow and I will not lose a second of sleep because you base your self worth on your post count, or join date.

It is obvious you don't want anyone calling you out for doing the same thing you blame others for. You want to state your opinion & you did make comments about how far a person should allow their emotions to take them. That is not for you to restrict. Some over react but maybe you are under reacting. I am simply saying don't attack people without using specifics. To me you are what you protest.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Perki-Perk

Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

hahahahahaha

Naaah... just another opinionated, frustrated, irritated Texan fan.
Just like the rest of us.

Having said that, in my experience, trying to tell someone to calm down when their anger/frustration levels have clearly gone "Off-Scale-High, only seems to incite them further.

Give them time.

The logical folks will eventually calm down and move on. The grudge-holders never will; they'll just wait for a new chance to strike.

And there are points to be made on both sides of the discussion. One just has to be receptive enough to hear them.
Just my

[Nitrofish]

Originally Posted by badboy

It is obvious you don't want anyone calling you out for doing the same thing you blame others for. You want to state your opinion & you did make comments about how far a person should allow their emotions to take them. That is not for you to restrict. Some over react but maybe you are under reacting. I am simply saying don't attack people without using specifics. To me you are what you protest.

lol.. Call me out all you want bro. The fact is I did not attack anyone. That was the whole point of not singling anyone out. I left it up to the reader to decide if I was referring to them. You responded so it would be reasonable to think you might be one of those people.

Perhaps I am under reacting, but you do not have to wade through hundreds of posts of hysterical under reactions, so I would hope you could see that, and admit it has gotten way out of control.

I do not have the power to restrict anyone, nor would I if I had the power to do so. All I am doing is asking the hysteria to stop and come back to reality.

That is not to say anyone has to pay any attention to what I say, and since I have been a member here for 2 years now, and lurking many years before that, I can say with great confidence that those to whom I was attempting to reach out to will continue to be Schaub\Kubiak haters and will continue to be obsessive about their views regarding the a fore mentioned individuals no matter what I say.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

Hold up there dude... I did not just come in and start spouting off... I read 4 1/2 pages (Almost 80) messages of agonizing, hysterical nonsense...

And yet that's only the tip of the iceberg around here...

[GP]

Originally Posted by Perki-Perk

Woah, we have a bad ass in here!!!

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[Norg]

Fire Marcenio right now

off season Fires i would like to see

ST coach fired

Kicker and Punter Fired
half the scrubs on ST fired


Fine some way to upgrade

Shaun cody

ILB

TE's

and depending on how foster plays in the playoffs FIRE HIM 2 WHy not

[C Madd]

Originally Posted by Norg

Fire Marcenio right now

off season Fires i would like to see

ST coach fired

Kicker and Punter Fired
half the scrubs on ST fired


Fine some way to upgrade

Shaun cody

ILB

TE's

and depending on how foster plays in the playoffs FIRE HIM 2 WHy not

The ST coach is Marciano, so if he was fired now it would be hard to fire him again in the off-season. Though, with the way that the Special Teams have played he probably deserves to be fired twice.

As far as punter, I feel that Donnie Jones has done an ok job so far this year. He's no Andy Lee, but he's done well enough to keep his job. I do agree with the upgrading ILBs and DTs and kicker, though. Hopefully, Bullock will step in next year and take the job from Graham.

I'll just pretend that you didn't make the Foster comment.

[powda]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

Is there any chance that any of you people might have your expectations set just a tad too high?

Is it being realistic to go from winning your first ever playoff appearance to a Super Bowl appearance the following year? Has that ever even been done before?

I submit that many of you are wound way too tight and think that expecting a quality product means miracles. That going from 10-6 to 12-4 and winning the division and making the playoffs a second straight year is not an improvement. Hell many of you probably do not have as much passion, or put as much into your kids education as you do heaping your over inflated expectations on the Texans.

Am I happy with the way the team collapsed in the final weeks? Of course not. Will the world end because of it? No.

It seems to me that some of you cannot enjoy life and celebrate the good things and move on, and in fact you take it one step further. You trash your own team in some bizarre attempt to influence the powers that be into taking actions on your perception of the teams problems. You are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable also, because that supports your mental state and justifies your spineless attitude regarding your team.

You all rag on Schaub when he hangs his head after a bad series and sits on the bench and then turn around and do the exact same thing in here. Hanging your head, whining "woe is me" why is this happening to me? Why does my team suck?!

Perhaps your memories are so short that you have forgotten what it means to have a losing record every season... heck perhaps you have even forgotten what it felt like to have no NFL franchise to cheer for, to tailgate at, to love and to hate.

Perhaps you would feel better if Houston had no NFL franchise? Then you could focus all of your rage and hypocritical hysteria on more simpler things in life without having to worry about that horrible NFL franchise always bringing you down.

Get A Grip... Go Texans!

You sir, are stupid. You come to a forum knowing full well what to expect. Fans either elated or pissed depending on the last games outcome. Your critical of fans who care and their opinions, and then pass your golden opinion off as if it's scripture from the mountain top. Your pissed because after 11 seasons we dont settle for a trash performance? Your pissed because after showing how talented and dominant this team can be, the team has begun to play like it's a perennial loser again? 2 months ago our team was brutalizing competition. The players, coaches, and scheme havent changed and we expect more from them because they TAUGHT us to expect more. Just once in my life I want to know what rooting for a superbowl champion feels like. If you think being overly critical is a problem for us fine. I think settling for sub par play and mediocrity in your team is also a deep seated problem with anything you do. We b*tch because we care. If you can't cope with that, don't come to a message board.

[Thorn]

Texanstalk.com is a fairly topic specific internet BBS and Nitrofish is wondering why folks who post here are fanatic about the subject matter. I'm thinking Nitrofish is the one who needs to get a grip on reality.

[Borowicz50]

Mostly I just read these posts but today I decided I would put my 2 cents in. The following is how I feel the Texans Coaches & Players along with all of the fans should feel about this Saturday.

WIN

[A time to chill]

I wonder what the chances are of the Texans hiring a new offensive coordinator in the offseason. I would feel better if Kubiak handed those duties over to someone like Norv Turner. But that's probably not going to happen.

[imatexan]

Originally Posted by powda

You sir, are stupid. You come to a forum knowing full well what to expect. Fans either elated or pissed depending on the last games outcome. Your critical of fans who care and their opinions, and then pass your golden opinion off as if it's scripture from the mountain top. Your pissed because after 11 seasons we dont settle for a trash performance? Your pissed because after showing how talented and dominant this team can be, the team has begun to play like it's a perennial loser again? 2 months ago our team was brutalizing competition. The players, coaches, and scheme havent changed and we expect more from them because they TAUGHT us to expect more. Just once in my life I want to know what rooting for a superbowl champion feels like. If you think being overly critical is a problem for us fine. I think settling for sub par play and mediocrity in your team is also a deep seated problem with anything you do. We b*tch because we care. If you can't cope with that, don't come to a message board.

"We b*tch because we care"

Well b*tches b*tch so what does that make you?

Harsh? I could care less I am so tired of these fair weather fans, all of sudden 12-4 isn't good enough and its being called mediocre.

Some of you remind me of Pats fans and I really hope the fan base does not go in that direction.

Am i disappointed Of course but I am also REALISTIC and know that we are not some terrible team that will get killed tomorrow.

[GP]

Nothing. I'm ruined until this time next year.

You guys will have to create fantasy situations that'll never happen, without me, because this team got to a critical growing point and has been found to be planted in bad soil with a hot sun on it and little rainfall to sustain it.

Until Kubiak is gone, we'll have Schaub (and Kubiak). When both those guys ate gone, I'll be happy again...because it will be something new, not something horribly predictable...followed by more "ways we can be happy?" moments here.

I'm seeing shades of the David Carr days here. "Let's have positive energy!" threads. "What would make you feel better about this team?" threads. Etc. If that doesn't point toward a bleak ending for fans and Kubiaub, I don't know what else does. I've seen this movie before.

If Bob McNair fired Gary after we get ousted in the playoffs (which is a matter of when, not if) I'll be instantly happy. Could we end up being worse? Yes. But I won't have to watch knowing exactly how we'd be worse.

And for me, I just want diversity and surprise to return; to watch a game and genuinely not expect the Schitty Schaub Throw(s) Of The Game at the worst possible moment, or to not see a draw or screen on 3rd and forever, etc.

All we have now is a frustrated HC trying to do what opponents won't let him do to them. I need to see that HC exit his office and the podium forever.

And nobody bawl me out over what I'm saying, either. The thread asked what'd make me feel better about this team...here's my answer. Like it or ignore it, but I stated my answer.

[Austrian]

How about coming out firing on all cylinders. This team ain't bad, it just lacks confidence. If the Texans beat the Bengals everything is possible. To all the doom and gloomers: Yeah I'm down too, but this Texans team is the best football team Houston's ever had. Everything is possible in the play-offs. The course of Houston football teams doesn't matter. This team is different. I'm all in. Go Texans!! Go for the Lombardy trophy.

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Getting a legitimate QB under center.

Matt is the exact opposite of a play maker. Anybody see Cotton Bowl tonight .
Landry kind of reminded me of Matt. Steady but not a playmaker. Of course he looks like an olympian compared to Matt when it comes to athletic ability.
You may be able to get away with a Matt type QB during the regular season against inferior competition with your D getting turnovers and tds but once that stops as it has and you play better teams you need the QB to step up and make plays. MS cannot do this I don't think. You need a QB that can buy time, create/improvise , see the field, stay cool, and more and I don't see Matt doing any of this. Anybody have stats on if the Texans have a penalty of a negative play what % of the time the drive continues or stalls. Just rambling now.

I agree with above we need a legitimate QB.Also a better Oline, healthy Lbs, someone not named Barwin the poser, a couple better coaches, a real number 2 wr, sorry starting to ramble again.

A win would be great tomorrow but an absolute whipping may be better in the long run.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by gafftop

A win would be great tomorrow but an absolute whipping may be better in the long run.

I agreed with your post more or less. Up until that point.

Nothing wrong with criticizing, but this is just stupid.