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Yeah, let's bring that guy in. He can take us to a 13 win season and then check out mentally for the playoffs before moving on to another coaching job.
Can't wait.
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Great article Steph thanks, and I hope that it reaches some of these fans who are standing on the ledge ready to jump. Oh never mind... Let them jump!
BTW... How is "Bob The Weed" doing this year? GO TEXANS!
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As much as people talk about a December swoon, his October numbers were worse. Kubiak explains everything in his presser. The Texans offense is a team offense. And if they aren't playing clean, Andre Johnson can only do so much to bail everybody out. The deal is that when the Texans are playing their best, the offense feeds the defense and vice versa. See this from October: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/41840/texans-more-offense-or-defense They've got this gaudy record while dealing with a lot of stuff. Every team deals with stuff, but not every team wins.
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The yard guy cut down Bob The Weed a long time ago. I'm fixing to find Yoshi The Bamboo to plant in the backyard because someone is building three monolith houses near by that I want to block out.
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Looking for a play that might work?
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Flirting with disaster... maybe, because it almost happened on a similar throw to Andre. Whatever the "reason" may be, I think we see Matt trying to play "outside" himself. After that throw, he started overthrowing balls & our guys have no chance to get those. I'm warming up to the idea that underthrowing is the way to go. I do agree with you, that the dumb mistakes are fixable. The penalties, the presnap penalties, & the boneheaded out of position give up a big play mistakes can be fixed. My question is why haven't they? These aren't new, Quentin Demps has been flat footed since New England. But for some reason, I believe Matt is going to turn it around. He's going to lead us to the AFC Championship game & a lot of people around here are going to have to STFU. & I'm not a Schaub fan.
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That's a good alternative way of saying "if we function smoothly and the other team doesn't." This team can't play clean if they get their face smashed in from the opening whistle. I've seen it, we've all seen it. If a team stands up for itself, and if that other team puts up resistance to us...we struggle EVERYWHERE. We're relying on other teams' inability to keep their cool in order for us to keep OURS. I watch a ton of MMA events. There are some guys who have all the talent in the world, and if they get the opportunity to "play clean" they'll run wreck over their opponents. BUT...if that same fighter gets touched up a bit, maybe not even anything dramatically significant, those guys crack like Kubiak's Texans. They drop down, they cover up, and they retreat and even look for ways to get submitted so they can tap out and be done with the fight. I sadly see this same condition in the Texans. There's no cure for it, either.
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And he has had good special teams in the past, so it's not like he's like some Texans coaches who never had good groups either with the Texans or anyone else yet kept their jobs. To only focus on coaching, without looking at the group he is working with, misses opportunities to fix things. And also risks thinking that you fix everything by just firing a guy. Using Manning in the playoffs is one of those things that may give ST coach more options. Watch an entire game just focused on special teams. It is painful. Watch the gunner defense. Too slow to keep up with true, designated ST gunners. Also watch the young guys like Posey. WRs can be very good special teams players, like Andre Davis was, but they are often not natural tacklers who take good angles. Other than Braman, you don't have a lot of fast defensive players on this STs. The benefit of going to a 3-4 is that you need more LBs, which means more LBs available for ST. That benefit goes away when your LBs get hurt and you are thin on your defense...and then your special teams. And even the WRs available for ST aren't crazy speedster types. Davis back in day was said to be the fastest guy on the team. And then punter/kicker were basically scraped together as guys the Texans could afford. Not their Plan A options, and for being Plan B options, you could do a lot worse.
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Schaub has been going to Johnson a ton because he has chemistry with him and Andre is Andre. But the offense works better when he can spread it around, and 3-5 WRs do not have catch rates that are up to Texans standards. They are drive killers, which takes away an aspect of the offense. Schaub can be a streaky QB--both good and bad. Having good down and distance helps. Would also help to get more short fields just as an matter of math.
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I blame the fans. Yeah, that will be my new angle with this whole thing since I don't want to hurt the teams feelings by being too critical on them.
Then perhaps somebody besides the fans can blame the players who listen to the fans who actually believe their press clippings and what I like to call twitfluff. I think I'm gonna blame the whole messy, sorted Bulls on Parade charade. The season was cursed early on when we violated a basic principle of building proper football lore. Catchy nicknames are for teams that make some noise in the playoffs. Everything else is a paper tiger. The 2012 Texans go like this... Early in the season there is a whine that we don't get enough respect even though we haven't done anything yet - check Fans and team adopt ridiculous sounding nickname for a defense that hasn't done anything yet - check Team wins some games and buys High School letter jackets and actually wear them to the Patriot game. - check I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm not being negative. It's just the soothsayer in me. I am still enjoying this season. While it lasts.
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(2) Can you elaborate on this statement? I am not sure what game you are watching, but Schaub definitely does not make "some tough throws". In fact, I believe he in incapable of throwing to the back shoulder (something he has never done), the fade, or to the sidelines. Schaub is most comfortable throwing to the middle of the field, which is not a "tough throw" by NFL standards. "catches that would not be made by a lot of QBs in the NFL but what we've become sort of used to." I assume you mean "throws that would not be made..." Are you saying that Schaub is currently making throws that are not being made by other NFL QB's? Please, Please, Please elaborate on this. I really want to know your reasoning behind these statements. |
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We want the Texans not to press, but of course, the team is in uncharted territory for them. They are not ho hum, every year we are favored to win team. We would like for Kubiak to coach them through this, but sadly, with football as in life, some stuff you just learn by doing and through hard experience. And quite frankly, some of this is just expectations stuff. I'm surprised they've been able to put together a season with this many wins given an unorthodox, but likely necessary revolving door Oline. Has there ever been a dominant, expected to win Houston sports team? Comets maybe. Maybe they snap out of this, maybe they can't. It's football. Each game if played 10,000 times would have 10,000 different results. A good portion of football in each game and in a loser take all format involves luck and making your own luck. 2. Um yes. Just about every game. (Though that Vikings game was a weird misery). If you haven't seen Schaub make throws that a good number of starting NFL quarterbacks do not make regularly, then you haven't been watching carefully. Does he do Flacco bombs all the time? No. But neither does Flacco because he's inconsistent. And ugh, Flacco can't make basic bread and butter throws regularly. Maddening sort of QB. Schaub is not just dinking and dunking. Over the years, he's been near top of the league with YPC, and not all of that is runs after the throw because a lot of times he is threading the needle, moving the chains. People complain about him going fetal with hits but some of that is by design. P Manning does the same thing. If you know you are going to get biffed, and you can't throw it away, wrapping up and taking the hit is better than trying to be a hero and losing the ball. Live another day. Schaub has his strengths and weaknesses like all QBs, but often it is easier to focus on the disappointing throws because profanity. You don't notice the whoa throws because Texans fans have been accustomed to seeing the ball move down the field. He's being challenged this year because the 3-5 WR catch rate is way lower than what is acceptable in this offense. So that decreases reliable targets. And results in maybe taking a shot down field for James Casey because at least if the ball gets to him, he catches it at a rate higher than any other target on the team. Run game not working consistently also takes away a lot of the play action options and results in negative run plays. They have issues, but so do all teams. That's why we watch.
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Hey Ags, lets just make Gary HC for life.
Gary has spent 6 yrs putting this team together and it looks like the best he can do is a one and done playoff team. Sad really |
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![]() They haven't played the game yet. Besides, how long have the Falcons been at it? How 'bout them Cowboys? They've won one game in a decade, combined. Dick Jauron Rod Marinelli Mike McCarthy Gary Kubiak Herm Edwards Brad Childress Sean Payton Eric Mangini Art Shell Scott Linehan 10 new head coaches in 2006. Where are they now & where are their teams? McCarthy & Peyton are the only ones with their jobs (& rightfully so after winning a Super Bowl each) but none of those other teams, Bills, Lions, Chiefs, Vikings, Jets, Raiders, Rams are even close to the Texans..... well, maybe the Vikings. You look at those 10 teams & take into consideration what they started with, Kubiak's done a great job & I really don't see how anyone could argue. Never mind that I'd like another HC. I don't like his style. I don't like his demeanor. & I think we could do better. But I'm not delusional enough to believe Bill Cowher could take this team from where Kubiak got it to where it is now. I believe Cowher can take it from here & go on to a decade of winning, but that's a totally different story.
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