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Old 01-01-2013   #41
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yeah, briesel and winston could get out in the open on those stretch plays and put guys down in the open field...Newton can't even get out to the sideline and block the db on a WR screen.

we're clearly not what we were up front...
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In 2011 Eric Winston was rated 10/76 overall against all Tackles and 6th against Right Tackles. Pass Block 10th, Run Bock 3rd.
In 2010 Eric Winston was rated 12/78 overall against all Tackles and 5th against Right Tackles. Pass Block 10th, Run Block 19th.

In 2011 Mike Brisiel was rated 32/78 overall against all Guards. Pass Block 32nd, Run Bock 14th.
In 2010 Mike Brisiel was rated 15/82 overall against all Guards. Pass Block 20th, Run Bock 12th.

Both had tougher years -- expected/bad teams -- in 2012. Winston was 25/80 Tackles and Brisiel was 74/82 Guards.

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Say what you want to about Briesel and Winston as pass-protectors, but both of those guys were very good run-blockers and without the rushing game the whole Texans' offense is just not nearly as effective as it was when they were in the lineup. And furthermore the Texas base-offense was virtually a 2 TE-set
and the OD/Dreesen combo was more effective than the OD/Grahmn combo.
Our offensive unit just lost too many important players in the past offseason to be as effective this year as we were in 2011.
I think, in hindsight, it was a mistake to let Winston go. Brisiel was a FA and got bigger $$$ in Oakland.

I don't know if we could have had Eric restructure to save us money. I'm not familiar with that aspect of the situation.

Brisiel was a goner because he got a nice payday elsewhere.

But if I were to pretend that both those guys were starting on our OL, I think we're a different and BETTER team right now. Just for the reason you stated: The run game would be better.
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Default Re: LZ: The offense is very much broken and Kubiak can’t rely on ‘the system’ he has

Omg... Reading Kubiaks after practice quotes are driving me crazy!!! Its like he has ZERO friggin clue. If I hear the words inconsistent, or ...have to be more consistent again I am going to puke.
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Omg... Reading Kubiaks after practice quotes are driving me crazy!!! Its like he has ZERO friggin clue. If I hear the words inconsistent, or ...have to be more consistent again I am going to puke.
Why won't any of the "reporters" sack up and say "Would do you MEAN by 'inconsistent'?"

Rick and Gary have the reporters so scared, we'll never get anything but status quo. Zero accountability.
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yeah, briesel and winston could get out in the open on those stretch plays and put guys down in the open field...Newton can't even get out to the sideline and block the db on a WR screen.
I remember that play and thought to myself, " Doesn't Kubiak realize Newton can't make that play?". Was that successful in the practice?
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There have been plays to be made .... Schaub simply hasnt made them.
I think so.

I think to "change the system" now would be the wrong thing to do. We need to get better at what we've been doing for the last 17 weeks. Though it's "not working" you can watch the game tape & see it's 1 dropped pass, 1 blown block, or 1 bad read away from working.

If you look at our last game against the Colts, it's not that the play book was dull & uninspired... it was that we kept shooting ourselves in the foot. Penalty after penalty. We'd take one step forward, two steps back.

If we get better doing what we do, we'll beat anybody.
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I think so.

I think to "change the system" now would be the wrong thing to do. We need to get better at what we've been doing for the last 17 weeks. Though it's "not working" you can watch the game tape & see it's 1 dropped pass, 1 blown block, or 1 bad read away from working.

If you look at our last game against the Colts, it's not that the play book was dull & uninspired... it was that we kept shooting ourselves in the foot. Penalty after penalty. We'd take one step forward, two steps back.

If we get better doing what we do, we'll beat anybody.
What we are doing isnt working and you have to adapt. But Kubiak is just too damn stubborn or stupid.
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I think, in hindsight, it was a mistake to let Winston go. Brisiel was a FA and got bigger $$$ in Oakland.

I don't know if we could have had Eric restructure to save us money. I'm not familiar with that aspect of the situation.
Yeah, it seems to me we were like hundreds of thousands below the cap going into the season? It was a shame we lost him and Dreessen. I felt like both were key.
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Schaub int on that Casey play was a timing throw that was thrown a second too late. People is blaming Kubiak too much for his play calling when most pass execution on passing plays requires perfect timing. Schaub should've known his window have past on that route and needs to look elsewhere because a faster db was trailing Casey.

Schaub have been blasted by you guys for having a weak arm when that is totally false. Most of his under thrown passes that have occurred during his career have resulted from tardiness of his throw. The other factor is Schaub footwork in the pocket is atrocious. Other than rollout pa you never see Schaub step into a throw from a straight drop back pocket.

You watch a Manning or Brady highlights throwing the ball and compare that to Schaub. The disparity is disturbing.

I posted a bounty somewhere in this forum challenging anyone to post a video of Schaub stepping into a throw. The reward was 100 dollar thru PayPal. The closest someone got was a posted video of the Redskins game from two years ago when Schaub scramble up the pocket and threw a desperation pass on fourth down to AJ to win the game.

You have to go back over two years to find out the last time Schaub making a proper fundamental throw in the pocket. I'm utterly dumbfounded that this guy has had this many 4000 yard seasons.
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Schaub have been blasted by you guys for having a weak arm when that is totally false. Most of his under thrown passes that have occurred during his career have resulted from tardiness of his throw.
Timing is certainly an issue at times.

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I posted a bounty somewhere in this forum challenging anyone to post a video of Schaub stepping into a throw. The reward was 100 dollar thru PayPal. The closest someone got was a posted video of the Redskins game from two years ago when Schaub scramble up the pocket and threw a desperation pass on fourth down to AJ to win the game.

You have to go back over two years to find out the last time Schaub making a proper fundamental throw in the pocket. I'm utterly dumbfounded that this guy has had this many 4000 yard seasons.
As I understood your bounty it was for scrambling inside the pocket and then making the throw. It wasn't having to go back two years to find it but that play was easy to remember.

You're exaggerating on never steps into his throws while in the pocket - there are several examples in this video.

And I wouldn't want your bounty even if you did admit there are examples.

Maybe if you are dumbfounded you should reconsider some of your observations. Schaub has been at a 250+ ypg pace every year except for his 1st here.

For the record, I am all for upgrading Schaub if the opportunity presents itself. I am not in desperation mode anything is better.
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Timing is certainly an issue at times.



As I understood your bounty it was for scrambling inside the pocket and then making the throw. It wasn't having to go back two years to find it but that play was easy to remember.

You're exaggerating on never steps into his throws while in the pocket - there are several examples in this video.

And I wouldn't want your bounty even if you did admit there are examples.

Maybe if you are dumbfounded you should reconsider some of your observations. Schaub has been at a 250+ ypg pace every year except for his 1st here.

For the record, I am all for upgrading Schaub if the opportunity presents itself. I am not in desperation mode anything is better.
So your video link shows Schaub doing all the things he hasn't been doing lately. Hitting receivers in stride, throwing into double and triple coverage, moving in and stepping out of the,pocket to make plays. Which begs these questions.

Is the curtain starting to close on Matt Schaub's career? Have the injuries taken their toll? Is he still suffering ill effects from the Fat Albert injury?

One thing is apparent. The 2011 highlight video Matt Schaub looks far better than the 2012 Matt Schaub.
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LZ isnt really going out on a limb with his 'analysis' is he?

anybody can see that (as my son puts it) "the fat guys on the right are no good", but Arian has also been misused by Kubiak. The flare pass is almost non-existent after a year when it was a lethal weapon for this offense. forcefeeding inside handoffs for the sake of some inivisible balance is a sign of a stubborn coach. Kubiak must adapt and improvise to what the strengths of this team currently are. Tunnel vision by Schaub on Dre is not going to get it done.

Its really a complete team implosion at this point, but i've seen this offense perform substantially better against greater competition and i just dont understand what the matter is, something internally? are the texans that predictable? didnt belichick say that wade's defense wasnt anything special, and our 'special' teams are anything but. saving grace is really this team cant play any worse, or can they?
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Can't rely on the system and a limited qb. Schaubs better days behind him. Need three new starters on oline with no cap space? Man did the Texans peak last year? Do we fight off indi next year? Just rambling sorry
I thought when all those salary cap forced moves were made the Texans got worse. So yes, I think they peaked last year. Their record went up a bit, but with a weaker schedule and healthier team. It will be tough for the Texans to win the division next year.
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LZ isnt really going out on a limb with his 'analysis' is he?

anybody can see that (as my son puts it) "the fat guys on the right are no good", but Arian has also been misused by Kubiak. The flare pass is almost non-existent after a year when it was a lethal weapon for this offense. forcefeeding inside handoffs for the sake of some inivisible balance is a sign of a stubborn coach. Kubiak must adapt and improvise to what the strengths of this team currently are. Tunnel vision by Schaub on Dre is not going to get it done.

Its really a complete team implosion at this point, but i've seen this offense perform substantially better against greater competition and i just dont understand what the matter is, something internally? are the texans that predictable? didnt belichick say that wade's defense wasnt anything special, and our 'special' teams are anything but. saving grace is really this team cant play any worse, or can they?
I just finished rewatching the colts game...the gameplan really is predictable and conservative as hell.

2nd/3rd and short we're running it 90% of the time

2nd/3rd and long we're passing 90% of the time

And AJ's not being force fed the ball....At least 1/2 the time its just only him and another WR out in a route...that's it....that makes for easy defending.

The other 1/2 of the time when they send 3 or more out they're 1 read quick hitters b/c schaubs only taking 3 step drops.

They almost never challenge deeper than 15 yards unless its off play-action or when they have to......which is usually when the score's getting a little out of hand and they're running out of time...by then the defense knows this.


Kubiak has got to open the playbook and become more aggressive
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I just finished rewatching the colts game...the gameplan really is predictable and conservative as hell.

2nd/3rd and short we're running it 90% of the time

2nd/3rd and long we're passing 90% of the time

And AJ's not being force fed the ball....At least 1/2 the time its just only him and another WR out in a route...that's it....that makes for easy defending.

The other 1/2 of the time when they send 3 or more out they're 1 read quick hitters b/c schaubs only taking 3 step drops.

They almost never challenge deeper than 15 yards unless its off play-action or when they have to......which is usually when the score's getting a little out of hand and they're running out of time...by then the defense knows this.


Kubiak has got to open the playbook and become more aggressive
Kubiak makes Ronald Reagen look Liberal. Conservatism is in Kube's bones.
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It pretty much falls on Kubes to make the offense work. Cinci has one helluva pass rush and a very good D.

It wouldn't hurt for Phillips' D to come up with a few turnovers and quit making OK, or bad, QB's look like superstars.
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I just finished rewatching the colts game...the gameplan really is predictable and conservative as hell.

2nd/3rd and short we're running it 90% of the time

2nd/3rd and long we're passing 90% of the time
You have to compare this to the rest of the NFL. I would say most teams are doing that.

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Are you sure about that? That would mean we're keeping three extra guys back to help protect. I heard of max protect, but that's a bit much.

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They almost never challenge deeper than 15 yards unless its off play-action or when they have to......which is usually when the score's getting a little out of hand and they're running out of time...by then the defense knows this.
You just pretty much explained a West Coast Offense.
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In 2011 Eric Winston was rated 10/76 overall against all Tackles and 6th against Right Tackles. Pass Block 10th, Run Bock 3rd.
In 2010 Eric Winston was rated 12/78 overall against all Tackles and 5th against Right Tackles. Pass Block 10th, Run Block 19th.

In 2011 Mike Brisiel was rated 32/78 overall against all Guards. Pass Block 32nd, Run Bock 14th.
In 2010 Mike Brisiel was rated 15/82 overall against all Guards. Pass Block 20th, Run Bock 12th.

Both had tougher years -- expected/bad teams -- in 2012. Winston was 25/80 Tackles and Brisiel was 74/82 Guards.

*ratings from ProFootballFocus, minumum 25% of team snaps.
How did Schaub rate amongst QBs during that time?

& keep in mind, I'm not saying that they weren't good, in fact, I said they had their strong points. It's only a matter of time, I think, before Newton & Jones are equally as good.
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