Do you have faith in Matt Schaub?

[Dishman]

Good poll. I think I started losing my faith in Schaub probably in the games following this years Bears game. After yesterday I've just about hit rock bottom. It's a combo of his immobility, his less than rocket arm, and his penchant for giving on a play because of the first two.

Also, with the right side of the O line not giving him much protection I will say he's at least not fumbling when he gets crushed by the defense. The line isn't doing well and Schaub is not known as a scrambler or able to consistently extend broken plays or an escape artist. The weakness on the line has really exposed Schaub as someone needing ideal conditions to perform. It's not his fault about the line, but it does expose his limitations and liabilities as an NFL QB.

[Dishman]

Originally Posted by amazing80

Schaub is garbage, Im driving the Yates for qb in 2013 train.....ALL ABOARD

He's not straight-up garbage and we could in a worse spot with a QB. I feel like the mobility factor between Schaub and Yates is night and day, but Matt's probably the better decision maker still today. I would be interested to know how Yates has developed since last season, so maybe next preseason we get a sneak-peek.

[EllisUnit]

Just sad when a rookie QB can look at a defense and call an audible/adjust the play, and we have a vet who cannot or is not allowed to do so. Manning and brady change about half the plays called at the LOS and this is why they can disect you. If Kubes calls a run play and the defense has no DBs in the game then schaub will still run the run play. I know that parts a little over the top but u get my point.

[Say Watt]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

I was one of those people clamoring for the Texans to go get Schaub, even before anyone thought it was possible. People just kept telling me it couldn't happen, and I accepted that. So when they got him, I was happy. Thought he was going to be worth the price they paid. We'll see what happens in the playoffs, but I feel pretty wrong.

I started to waver on him two or three years ago - whichever one where the offense scored 7 or fewer points in the first half for most of the season. Lots of other people kept pointing out what a great job he was doing int he second half, putting up a ton of yards, and I just kept noticing he was facing a bunch of soft underneath defense and putting his team in a hole to get to that situation. Since that time, I've noticed specific shortcomings a lot more.

When the man rolls out, has all the time in the world, sets his feet and launches a pass downfield that comes up woefully short of AJ (and this week James Casey), all the prior underthrows over the years, dating back to the very first 70-some yard TD to AJ vs KC, come back to my memory. He doesn't have the arm. He doesn't have mobility. He doesn't have the demeanor to rally his guys. He doesn't have the pre-snap recognition that a QB of his experience should have. And lately, he has really developed a couple tendencies that David Carr developed when he played behind a crappy OL. You can blame the OL if you want, but he folds under pressure.

I have no faith in Matt Schaub. Couple that wirth my complete lack of faith in Kubiak and you can start to understand why I have no faith the Texans will go to the Super Bowl this year. I'm hoping and praying they do. I'm doing all my silly pre-game superstitions. I'm living and dying on every play. But rationally, I have no confidence they'll pull it off. It's the difference between heart and head for me.

Wow. Exceptional post. You just nailed exactly where I currently am right now as well, and you said it better than I ever could have said it. MSR.

[Mr teX]

With the way this team is playing..how can you have faith in anybody except for JJ Watt & probably KJ at best....

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Just sad when a rookie QB can look at a defense and call an audible/adjust the play, and we have a vet who cannot or is not allowed to do so. Manning and brady change about half the plays called at the LOS and this is why they can disect you. If Kubes calls a run play and the defense has no DBs in the game then schaub will still run the run play. I know that parts a little over the top but u get my point.

We'll never know if Schaub could do that because he wouldn't dream of doing it. He does what Gary programs him...tells him to do.

If Gary wanted a QB who thought for himself he could have had Peyton Manning.

Enter "Could Not Afford Peyton Guy" in 3.....2.....1.....

But we'll be able to afford giving Matt $30 million guaranteed over the next couple of years with a fraction of the return on that investment with no problems right?

[Thorn]

I've come full circle on Schaub. I started out hating him and the two picks we gave up for him. Then I changed my mind and thought he was Da Guy. Now I'm back to where I started, distrusting and disliking Schaub.

We're fixing to find out if he's playoff material. Hell, his damn backup has won more playoff games than him.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Say Watt

Wow. Exceptional post. You just nailed exactly where I currently am right now as well, and you said it better than I ever could have said it. MSR.

I got him for you.

[Nawzer]

I was never a big Schaub fan to begin with. I thought he was good enough but his success depends heavily on the system. At his age, he is what he is a guy who has made big mistakes in big games throughout his career. And we have to live with that for the next few years.

[Porky]

Eriadoc said it best. That closely matches my thoughts so won't elaborate a ton.

I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta. At the time, we had to have a decent QB, and considering the price tag on competent QB's, I think the 2 #2 picks was a decent trade. I would make it again. Our other options were fairly limited.

However, this season was Schaub's time to prove that the trade would deliver a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Instead, we find it's nothing but a field full of cow manure.

[deucetx]

Originally Posted by Dishman

Also, with the right side of the O line not giving him much protection I will say he's at least not fumbling when he gets crushed by the defense. The line isn't doing well and Schaub is not known as a scrambler or able to consistently extend broken plays or an escape artist. The weakness on the line has really exposed Schaub as someone needing ideal conditions to perform. It's not his fault about the line, but it does expose his limitations and liabilities as an NFL QB.

This pretty much is my reasoning. It was the Jets game that first made me begin to question his ability to handle the load upon himself. It was a game the offense didn't show the efficiency we would expect going against such a hobbled team at that time. But I brushed it under the rug feeling he is just now learning what it meant to be in these situations.

Then came the Packers and my doubts rose. It began to seem just like the post I quoted, that Schaub needed everything in line to be functional out there. If your quarterback needs everything to be running by formula then you are in trouble. He needs to be able to be capable of adapting to the situation. Instead, as more teams stacked against the run and the right side of the line faltered, he faltered. He is a system guy and games are way too unpredictable in today's NFL to expect every single thing to go accordingly.

After the Ravens game it only got worse with inconsistency from the offense. There one week then looking out of sync the next. I began to wonder if he was capable of just dropping back and getting it done. Now folks can say 'Hey, the Jaguars and Lions game.' But look at that statement and those two teams. I would hope even a middle of a pack quarterback can come back on those two. But when the bright lights were on and across the field was a team of equal caliber or better he faltered....heavily.

And then came the Vikings. A good team but I don't think as talented as the Texans yet...we couldn't do anything and at home no yet. That cemented it for me that I was wrong when I toted Schaub as a top ten quarterback. Just look at the post talking of the blocking. We're saying he needs perfect blocking, consistent running game and better targets.

Sure sounds like the guy is needing quite a lot to be effective, doesn't it? Most quarterbacks in the league would be effective with all of that so what actually makes Schaub special? You want someone that when everything isn't perfect he is capable. Can we say Schaub is? At this point we don't have anything to tells us the answer to that question is 'Yes.'

But we can still hope something changes and the ship is righted with him and this offense. At this point hope is all we have so I'll take it, heh.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Porky

I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta.

Agreed. I'm not sorry they did what they did. He was worth a shot. I've just come to the point where I believe we've seen his ceiling and he's not the guy. *shrug*

Not everyone gets to be Tom Brady when they grow up.

[Double Barrel]

This season is as good as it's ever going to get with Matt Schaub as our starting QB.

I hope you enjoyed the ride folks.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Porky

Eriadoc said it best. That closely matches my thoughts so won't elaborate a ton.

I will say though that considering where we were at at the time, and knowing everything that has happened since, I still would make the trade with Atlanta. At the time, we had to have a decent QB, and considering the price tag on competent QB's, I think the 2 #2 picks was a decent trade. I would make it again. Our other options were fairly limited.

However, this season was Schaub's time to prove that the trade would deliver a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Instead, we find it's nothing but a field full of cow manure.

That's a tough one. Knowing where we are now I would not have made that trade. I think it was a good trade if you take into consideration what we knew then and what we had to work with but if you know there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow then no, you don't go that route.

Nobody out there that you like at the end of 2006? You go ahead and start Sage in 2007. There have been many opportunities to get QB's who could play since then.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

This season is as good as it's ever going to get with Matt Schaub as our starting QB.

I hope you enjoyed the ride folks.

It was a good ride, just a really harsh landing is all.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

It was a good ride, just a really harsh landing is all.

yep. Sad part is that the harsh landing is not really that much of a surprise to many of us.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

yep. Sad part is that the harsh landing is not really that much of a surprise to many of us.

I thought a landing means its over we haven't landed yet.

[Say Watt]

Originally Posted by Rey

I got him for you.

Thanks brotha!

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

I thought a landing means its over we haven't landed yet.

Yesterday was the landing. We just haven't come to a complete stop, yet.

[Say Watt]

How in the world could anyone vote "Yes"? I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't think even one person has posted in defense of Schaub. Could someone who voted yes please come give your take and your reasons behind still having faith in Schaub?