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Old 12-31-2012   #21
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I'm watching the game again. I don't see the ultra conservative play calling. Sure, there was the short dump off on third & long, but I'm seeing good production out of the run game & taking shots down the field, at least 4 already, 2 of which were intercepted.

Matt looks good... healthy at least. Again, I counted at least 4 times where he extended plays with his feet. 2 off them that resulted in first downs. One was a TE screen that went for 13 yards or so & the other was a pass to KDub for a 11 yards or so.

Offensively, we didn't do enough. Only scored 16 pts. Defensively, we couldn't get off the field, especially in the 4th, when it counted most.
Ummmm the OD play was designed to look like pressure, he kept backing up and floated it over the rusher to OD, nothing special

and the reason he wasnt sacked on the kw play was because one pass rusher took out the other right before he got to 8.....so no he didnt do anything out of the ordinary
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I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

Corrosion,

All these are valid points...however, it always comes back to the head coach, and to a lesser extent, the QB. Yes, these other players didn't do their jobs, but Kubiak is ultimately responsible for them being out there, and Schaub, as the QB, is the default leader. If the players don't perform, it's on them to an extent, but ultimately, it comes back to the head coach, fair or not. Until Kubiak takes them far in the playoffs or to the Super Bowl, his ability will always be questioned, based on his history with the team. And, unfortunately, that history says he is a head coach who is six games over .500 in his career- not bad by any stretch, but not great.
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Because with a lot of people in here, Kubiak will never win. He'll never get credit for wins, he'll get all the blame for losses.

In regards to just today's game, Wade deserves as much blame as Kubiak and Schaub.
Yup. Because too many people think its like Rudy, and all that's needed is some yelling at the players or stirring locker room speech. Unfortunately, in big boy world, that **** don't fly. The team has been prepared but the coaches can not make them execute. We could get in some street FAs if fans feel that's the solution? Y'know, show some accountability and all
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Yup. Because too many people think its like Rudy, and all that's needed is some yelling at the players or stirring locker room speech. Unfortunately, in big boy world, that **** don't fly. The team has been prepared but the coaches can not make them execute. We could get in some street FAs if fans feel that's the solution? Y'know, show some accountability and all
yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you
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yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you
Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?
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Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?
really so 1 td prevented our offense from scoring for 60 minutes? gtfo
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Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?
Wade had the right call made the CB and Demps screwed the pooch on that one. Still has nothing to do with the offense not scoring, after schaubs 2nd pick we didn't see the ball again. He should of never put the D in that position.
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I do think as far as Schaub's concerned, we need to see how he performs in the playoffs before writing him off...the same for Kubiak in this year's playoffs- he was 1-1 last year with a 3rd string QB...that's not bad.
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yup blame the defense for allowing 21 points, a 50% completion rating, 80 yards rushing and continually putting our offense back on the field to score points....yup its THEIR fault we only scored 1 freaking touchdown today

this was for those blaming wade, not specifically you
And, to be fair, 7 of those 21 points came on a short field, after a turnover. I'm of the opinion that if the defense only allows 21 points, our offense should be able to win the game.
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Because Wade's D and #80 have performed quite well this season and are more responsible for many more of the Wins than Kubiak and Schaub in my opinion. The defensive forced turnovers and big plays are responsible for MANY of our wins... and Andre's monster games bailing Schaub out of trouble is worth a nod as well.

Kubiak should've been gone after the 6-10 season. Without Wade's defense that was brought in, this team is still that 6-10 team... and the only reason they could maybe finish better is because Titans and Jags haven't improved whatsoever in these past 2 years or so.

Schaub has been mediocre/slightly above average since the beginning. This guy is not the guy to take a team to the promiseland. If after this season we still can't at least get TO the AFC Championship, that's SIX YEARS this guy's had a chance to lead a pretty damn good team to the promiseland.

My rant is not about ONE game. It's about the entire damn season. Hell, the past 2-3 seasons even. Schaub and Kubiak are more to blame for this team's mediocrity than anyone else... especially not #80 or Wade.
I guess the Texans could bring David Carr back, and I guess Dom Capers would give up being GB's DC to become the HC again. No? Well then, maybe JaMarcus Russell or Vince Young would be willing to QB the team, and whatever happened to Sam Wyche or Bruce Coslet, because I'm thinking maybe one of them wants the HC job.
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really so 1 td prevented our offense from scoring for 60 minutes? gtfo
Umm, yeah, I'll gtfo, when you realise it was the final nail in the coffin and until then, even with the return TD we were still in it. Sorry, but blame Kubes all you want, that play was a killer and it's on Wade for being in the wrong D (yes cover 1 is the wrong D) and Demps for taking a wrong step.

Not sure you remember, but they beat us with the exact same play against the exact same coverage two weeks earlier.
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The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.
Because Wade's "more saferer" ... just because.

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Because that's what non-thinking fans do. Its the path of least-thinking resistance. It would take too much effort to actually study the game and see who missed assignments and who failed to make the plays they get PAID to make.
Exactly. Critical thinking eludes whiners.

This team lacks players. We've got too many guys just taking up space. And this team lacks heart. Remove J.J. Watt and this team has no pulse at all.

Duane Brown didn't show up ready to play and Freeney blows by him.

Mike Brisiel at least played pissed off. Eric Winston at least took enough pride in trying to keep his QB clean that he kept his feet under him.

The front seven were winded on defense. Hands on hips, half-hearted efforts. And they left the DBs hanging out to dry because the gave the rookie time.

Coach Phillips needs to come up with something new because our guys were bottled-up. It ain't working anymore. The league has caught up. So put a new wrinkle in. Make an adjustment.

Man, if you can't get up for this game with its playoff implications then you're just coasting, collecting checks. Kubiak is no heart surgeon. These guys need to look in the mirror for that.
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Question: Why doesn't Schaub ever complete a 3rd and long for a TD like Luck did to us.
Answer: It is hard to throw a long TD pass when a draw or a screen or some other bs play is called.

If the reason is you know Matt has no judgement (1) on whether to make throw or he does not have the skills (2) to do so then how long do you just keep going along with him.

(1) Very possible he has no judgement. Were we in dire straits when Matt threw the long floating bird interception in the 4th quarter? I really think we could have driven down and scored. Was it even 3rd down? That pass reminded me somewhat of TJ in the Baltimore game. I thought Schaubs strength was his kowledge and judgement.

(2)Very possible as shown on first pick of game and on almost all long passes this and every year. We may complete some but the passes are rarely thrown accurately.

So maybe Kubiak has no choice but if that is correct why the hell did he get an extension.

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I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....

The coaches job is to put the players in a situation to suceed. He did that today for the most part. The players failed to execute on those crutial plays.

AJ drops a gimmie that Schaub actually put on target.

Schaub throws an INT .... when Casey was wide open.

Schaubs other INT was underthrown ....

Schaub missed several reads , at least one that should have gone for a TD.


The OL got their asses handed to them .... By the Dolts BACKUPs on the DL.

Kubiak is just the easy target ....

Why isnt anyone complaining about Wade's D giving up big plays or #80 droping the easiest TD he's had since pop warner ball.

People are blaming Kubiak because he's the guy who keeps Schaub out there. He's the guy in charge. He's the man who leads a chronically underperforming team out the tunnel in big games and never gets the win. Look, it is common knowledge that Gary is overly loyal to players and coaches who are underperforming. He's done it time and time again and now that the Texans are actually good enough to make some noise in this league that same propensity to keep bringing Joe Marciano back and keep believing that Matt will turn things around is coming back to bite him in his ass.

Wade's D is doing what everyone told us it would do in year two, it's taking a step back. We haven't gotten the level of play out of that side of the ball that we did last year or in the first half of this year. They're struggling too. Nobody is saying they aren't.

But this problem is big enough to encapsulate the entire team. This group comes out dead on their feet in big games. If you can't inspire your team to play well for you against equal or better opposition then you have no business leading a team. Sure AJ dropped a pass that went right through his hands. Absolutely saw Matt slinging picks that were entirely his fault. The offensive line was a joke yesterday. They're not playing smart or winning their individual battles and it's tearing everything apart around them. AJ had a crucial back-breaking drop yesterday but if you look at our WR corps you see a unit that's worse than it was last year (and that's including the addition through subtraction of kicking Jacoby to the curb). Yesterday, like it has been too many times this year we got another episode of the AJ & Walter show. Where are all these young WR's we used draft picks on? Posey had one catch and nobody else did a damned thing. Martin? Vanished. Jean? Useless. Every single year we talk about needing help at WR and every year we end up in the same boat at the end of the season. There's AJ and over there's Kevin.

Ultimately though who built this team and prepared it for competition? That's Gary and Gary is always going to be where the buck stops.
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I dont know why everyone is pointing at Kubiak .... he isnt the one dropping TD's , missing blocking assignments or throwing INT's ....
Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak that ends up with him being put in position to lose games for this team when the players have managed to avoid crapping the bed. Sure, when the players just fall apart, it doesn't much matter what the coach does. But when the players have at least kept the team in the game, it often comes down to a play call or series of clock management decisions. How many times have you seen Kubiak just completely give up before the half? Or on a particular series? When it's 3rd and 23 and you have a lead, what does Kubiak ALWAYS do? He gives up. He doesn't call a play that has even the remotest chance of picking up the first down. Other teams TRY.

Kubiak calls a game as if he can't trust his players. And hey, the way they've played lately, he's probably right. So why the hell did he assemble this group of players this way and coach them to be the way they are now?

Anyway, I haven't bagged on Kubiak much over this game because he was mostly a non-factor. He was a non-factor because his players collapsed, therefore never putting him in a position to make a tight decision.
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When I die, I want the Texans to be my pall bearers so they can let me down one last time.

Gary is part of the buck, but it goes higher than that and laterally. KC put up 300+ yards in the run game against this same D. I wonder who their right tackle is?

That's on Rick Smith.

Who traded a very capable run stopping LB in Ryans, and signed a Dallas castoff that isn't half as good? You guessed it. Rick Smith.

Who dumped Troy Nolan and kept Demps - the same Demps who has let people get behind him multiple times for huge game changing plays?


Not sure who made that call, but I'll pin that on Wade. I think Troy Nolan is flat out better not that he is any great shakes.

Who is making the call on who plays ST? Coach Joe? He needs to get #11 out of there, among others. Who drafted #11 when other WR's were available?

Who didn't draft or sign another legit playmaker on offense, and added two rookies with lots to learn? That's on Smithiak.

Who has this team coming out flatter than Calista Flockheart's chest in the two most important games in team history? That's on Gary.

My opinion on Schaub has changed drastically in the last month. Prior to that I saw him as a good chess piece at QB. Not a guy that can take a team on his shoulders and carry them, but a guy you can win a SB with. No longer. He is now a major part of the problem, and not the solution at QB imo. He's a shrinking violet. And has there ever been a more grumpy QB in football? I mean it's one thing to have an even keel, but how about trying to pump up the guys a little bit and show some emotion? It's a small thing I know, but it bothers me for some reason. Schaub is just a slightly less talented version of Tony Romo.

In short, this team is highly flawed, and there is plenty of blame to go around. We are much further from a SB appearance than I could have possibly imagined 6 weeks ago when the cracks first started appearing in the foundation. Ultimately, I pin the blame on Bob McNair more than anyone. He is the ring leader and has assembled the people that are responsible for the roster, and for preparation.

And since they just signed Schaub to a huge extension, I think this team and Schaub are married for the foreseeable future. As for me, I'm filing for divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable differences.
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Except Wade made the call that gave up the TD that effectively put the game out of reach. When the O isn't firing then the D needs to step up. Remember the Jags and Lions games?
How many TDs have the Texan's offense scored in the last 8 quarters of play? It's just straight up unacceptable for a"high-powered" offense to score one single TD in 8 quarters. If you want to throw Phillips in the mix, fine by me, but the HC is ultimately responsible for the product on the field.

Yes, the Texans went 12-4 this year, but with only one more loss are the Colts (11-5 after 2-14 last year) who were w/out their true HC for basically the entire year. They may be division champs next year at which point all Hell will break loose around here.
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Kubiak didn't do much to lose this game. The players did. You got that 100% right. What you're missing, however, is a pattern from Kubiak
It's not just this year...That's the thing about it.

Kubiak teams have looked better on paper than what they've come out and played like from game to game. We've had a lot of losses under Kubiak where the team just look unprepared, un-inspired and unmotivated...
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LOL, that is why I keep bumping the "Fire Kubiak" thread. I don't have any delusions that he'll actually be fired, but I think there's value in going back and reading people's points from 2009, 2010, and 2011 and realizing that he still has the same problems as a HEAD coach. It just baffles me how people can overlook that.

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