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Old 12-30-2012   #61
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Why couldn't Coach Joe be fired midseason? Is that against Texans rules or something? It's not like special teams was getting any better.
Who would want to take over our STs in mid-season?
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Yep. I turned the game off as soon as Hilton was in the end zone.
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Who would want to take over our STs in mid-season?
you promote someone, its not like Gary will find anyone OUTSIDE the organization to fill it in the off-season, and if he does it will be an ex bronco with no previous experience
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Yep. I turned the game off as soon as Hilton was in the end zone.
really?
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really?
Yep. The texans scored one TD all game to that point, no way they were scoring 2 in the final 10 minutes or whatever. Shoot they didn't even score one.
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i dont think we have had an int since wk 13... not blaming the D for the teams poor performance when in reality theyve been the best of a bad bunch but just something i noticed
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Yep. The texans scored one TD all game to that point, no way they were scoring 2 in the final 10 minutes or whatever. Shoot they didn't even score one.
Just like had they scored there would have been no way the Defense stopped them to give the offense a chance...because the defense SURE had that opportunity and equally blew it.
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AN entire O line plays horribly and that has nothing to do with Kubiak?? What the hell do you think he does Corrosion?? You've acknowledged that Schaub is playing poorly right now as well. You've acknowledged that the running game isn't clicking well either? At what point do you address the offensive coaching??

Sorry, but that's an entire offensive problem which goes back to coaching.
It boils down to getting beaten physically .... you cant coach that.

It aint the scheme , it aint the playcalling .... its getting your ass handed to you in the trenches.

Did you notice Brooks was playing RG .... thats because Jones wasnt getting it done.
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And so does Wade.

I'm tired of Wade just getting a pass quite frankly. Chad Henne tore his defense up and since then every QB has done the same.
I won't give Wade a pass, but....

You have to figure our D practices against our offense.

In practice, when looking at a 3rd a 20 type situation our D is used to seeing a bubble screen, a draw, or a short pass for 5 yards. They have to be wondering why the officials don't call a penalty for illegal pass down field in that situation once they get to a game situation.
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Kubiak never tries to make those plays like the TD luck threw on 3rd and long. Automatic draw or screen ie playing like a puss. Sick of it

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NO NO NO, we blame kubiak because all of our 3rd and over 12 yards will be screens or draws. We had something to play for today the colts had nothing, and what did we see besides the same old scared to lose instead playing to win kubiak.
I like to defend Kubiak when I can, but on this one... can't do it. Rookie QB to rookie WR on 3rd & 23...

If Kubiak can't trust Schaub & Aj in that situation, we've got a problem. At the very least, he should trust Matt to throw it away & punt. Gaining 3 yards on a bull$cht draw isn't going to get you a better punt. Sometimes it makes sense. If you're backed in to your own endzone, it makes sense. But he does that, sometimes) on our own 30 yard line.
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How about all the offsides calls?

That is on Wade too and the defensive players but they ALWAYS get a pass and no one says a damn thing when the offense was one of the best in the NFL for a lot of Kubes years here.
It makes me sick that a rookie QB can get our veteran defense to jump offsides so many times & I've only seen Schaub do it, maybe once. maybe.
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That was all Demps again, good thing we released Troy Nolan to play that scrub.
I love to dump on Demps as much as the next guy, but there were three WRs on the other side. If he was cheated to his right, Luck would have thrown it to his right.

I think it was Quin who couldn't run with Hilton. I also think Jjo was supposed to drop into a deep coverage but he sat on a short route that was well covered by a LB.
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That ST return was huge for momentum.

When the Texans took the lead there was this hush over the building and it just felt like things were finally going right. Once that happened though....
Agreed.

They were playing our game. Gary ball up until then. We had took the lead, we were sustaining drives & putting points on the board. They just knew we were going to smother them.

That lasted all of 15 seconds.
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i dont think we have had an int since wk 13... not blaming the D for the teams poor performance when in reality theyve been the best of a bad bunch but just something i noticed
How long has it been since we had a lead? It's very important for our defense to play with a lead.
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It makes me sick that a rookie QB can get our veteran defense to jump offsides so many times & I've only seen Schaub do it, maybe once. maybe.
Not only that. But remember when it was 3rd & 1 & Matt did the quick snap to pick up that yard? We end up getting an illegal formation penalty because we didn't set for 1 second. Then we don't get it & Indy declines the penalty.

Talk about fail.

Later, Luck gets us. He quick snaps it, picks up the first down. Then on a later play, he gets his guys to the line, sets for a second, snaps the ball & he gets us for 12 men on the field. We couldn't get our guys substituted before the snap.

Freak'n rookie.
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I'll say this, at least the Colts had the BALLS to actually throw DOWN THE FIELD when they had 3rd and longs consistently.

With the Texans, we had 1 drive where I almost shat my pants as Kubiak actually called an agressive pass on 3rd and long and it worked but guess what, same drive a few plays later he had some Seinfeld-esque shrinkage issues and called a nice, safe, little screen on 3rd and long.

Someone in the gameday thread tried to make a fuss saying "See how Kubiak passes but people still complain" but that is not accurate as we know in reality that kind of pass is basically a run play. What we would like to see is DOWN THE FIELD passes you know, somewhere near or beyond the down marker when needed.

THAT is on Kubiak along with oh so much more.
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I like to defend Kubiak when I can, but on this one... can't do it. Rookie QB to rookie WR on 3rd & 23...

If Kubiak can't trust Schaub & Matt in that situation, we've got a problem. At the very least, he should trust Matt to throw it away & punt. Gaining 3 yards on a bull$cht draw isn't going to get you a better punt. Sometimes it makes sense. If you're backed in to your own endzone, it makes sense. But he does that, sometimes) on our own 30 yard line.
its easy to dump on the D but lets face it, that was a great throw by luck, a reason he was taken #1 type of throw... & i think we all know schaub cant make that throw. schaub can thread the needle if its within 15-20 yds but he cant go deep like that (a reason we rarely see explosive TD plays from this offence). kubiak can scheme big plays using the rollout but when its just straight up throw the ball deep, the best we'll get is catch and tackle (ie it wont be laid out in stride for the wr to catch and take to the house like hilton did yesterday)
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its easy to dump on the D but lets face it, that was a great throw by luck, a reason he was taken #1 type of throw... & i think we all know schaub cant make that throw. schaub can thread the needle if its within 15-20 yds but he cant go deep like that (a reason we rarely see explosive TD plays from this offence). kubiak can scheme big plays using the rollout but when its just straight up throw the ball deep, the best we'll get is catch and tackle (ie it wont be laid out in stride for the wr to catch and take to the house like hilton did yesterday)
As i've pointed out in another thread, Schaub made that same throw in the 1st colts game to Devier posey...the only difference is their safety was where he needed to be & made the tackle.

Another thing that's not really being talked about is our speed at WR. we've got AJ (who isn't even the same from even a few years ago) and that's pretty much it. Noone's afraid of Walter or Jean's deep speed. Posey for sure could take the top of the defense, but Kubiak just got him into the fold a few games ago...Martin
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As i've pointed out in another thread, Schaub made that same throw in the 1st colts game to Devier posey...the only difference is their safety was where he needed to be & made the tackle.
No, the difference is that Andrew Lucks ball gets to it target a lot cleaner and a lot faster and doesn't allow the defense time to get there.

The WR catches a ball coming in hot and on target.

Most of Schaubs passes are "airy"...even his fast balls kind of float.


It's a lot easier to make up ground when you see the QB winding up and then when his pass doesn't have a whole lot of zip on it. Luck throws strikes and Schaub throws floaters.

And our speed at WR?

You've got to be joking.

Give me a QB that can take advantage of that speed and then we'll see what's what. What does speed matter if the QB is not going to hit guys deep in stride?

Kubiak probably doesn't call a lot of plays like that because he knows that's not in his QB's wheel house.
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