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Old 12-28-2012   #81
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OP's original list is missing many names like Rivers, Flacco, Bradford, Dalton, etc. ... as well as a few back-ups I would trade Matt for in a heart beat. Matt isn't even top 20.
Why am I not surprised?
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If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but this is the play that I thought of instantly.

http://youtu.be/uFuul1wBDu4

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Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

None of our 12 wins stand out at all. @ Denver while they were adjusting early on. Baltimore has proven to be not as good as advertised. Same with Chicago.
Schaub will NEVER be the leader this team needs in primetime and when games matter most. If this team gets down by 2+ scores, we're fuc*ed... All of our wins come from defensive forced turnovers and scores or Arian Foster playing very well to where any QB could come in with a playaction call.

Back to that list:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill
OK I know I am a bit late and perhaps this has already been said, but is it better that our so called starting career Backup QB is being coached by a backup QB who actually played as an NFL QB or a coach who never played in the league, or never played the QB position?

I think your question is hilarious because are there any former starting QB's out there coaching elite QB's? No... Is Brady/Mannings/Rodgers coaches even former players, or former QB's? No.

I am not going to argue with your list because it is pointless... even if those QB's are better than Schaub... You cannot acquire them, so why do you make comparisons and say the Texans would be better off with one of them? And adding the two rookies in that list is even funnier. Look at Cam's rookie year compared to his sophomore campaign... plenty of drop off there and RG3 and Luck have a long way to go before they are as good as Schaub and what he has accomplished in his career.

I think you Schaub haters work very hard to come up with creative ways to say the same thing over and over, and if you had thought about what you were going to post before you posted it a little while you would have realized that.
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I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but this is the play that I thought of instantly.

http://youtu.be/uFuul1wBDu4

So when can I expect my $100?
AWESOME! Please let us know if he keeps his word and pays up.
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Click the link to view a bunch of Schaub highlights were he debunks most of what any Schaub hater say in these posts, and a few that confirm them also, but to all of you who say Matt can't this or that... Watch and then let's hear your excuses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzkqchFbhM
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It's unfair how people here use the O-line to defend Schaub when he's not playing well. Our pass blocking is not as bad as people make it out to be. Schaub is getting sufficient time to throw and when there is pressure he has the responsibilty to either step up or to the side of the pocket so the defender can run by. Most pass rush is avoidable by this fundamental footwork. These are the things every QB are taught in practice.

I remember a few years ago I visited Boston and had the chance to go watch a Patriots practice. I saw Tom Brady in a pocket-practice session where the staff were rolling big medicine balls at him from many angles. He was avoiding those balls while keeping his eyes down field with just a slide of the feet here and there. Brady like Schaub is no world-class athlete with their feet. QB that aren't mobile, like Brady and Manning can erased a bad block by their lineman by using simple footwork. The problem with Schaub is he has zero pocket awareness and instinct. That's why you see him often bracing on phantom pass rush.

Schaub strenght only last 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. After that if he can't find his targets a fuse go off in his head regardless of whether there's pressure or not. You see him looking for a roll out lane. Schaub will look for a roll out lane REGARDLESS of a presence of pressure. I seen him rolled out of a three-man pass rush on max-protected. Hell, I've seen him rolled out on a two-man rush where the defense drop everyone back to prevent a a red zone TD. When a QB do that they limit themselves to viable throwing targets. They also create the illusion to the media and fans that the O-line failed on that play and that's the reason a QB failed to make a throw. "It's the O-line fault. They didn't allow him enough time. Look how the QB have to scramble from that pass rush. They broke down"

Those guys upfront are busting their butts off for that guy. They're not perfect on every pass play. And they far from bad. They sufficient for the most part and that should be enough. To have you people here bash them is disgusting. You put a QB with sound footwork and good pocket-instinct behind that line, I guarantee everyone will view our O-line in a more positive way.

If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.

I wish folks here stop blaming the O-line for Schaub bad QB plays. He panic too often when his reciever are covered. And when he make a good throw within his 3 second window people are cool with that. But if his 3 second is up and there's no one open and Schaub gives up and takes a seat on defender's lap people call out our line.

This QB needs to be held accountable. So please. Stop blaming the line!!
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To the bolded, I wish I had time, I'd take that hundy. He's done it many times. Just did it against the Vikes.

As an aside and not being a grammar Nazi, just curious, is English your second langue?
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AWESOME! Please let us know if he keeps his word and pays up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5Kif3XrZ4
First play against KC, Schaub to AJ.
The desgined route is for AJ to run to the middle of the field, but he was double-teamed.
AJ made the adjustment, and went back to the corner;
Schaub bought enough time, threw from his back foot as to avoid the pass rusher coming toward him, and bingo.

Where do I line up to collect?
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If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.
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I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but this is the play that I thought of instantly.

http://youtu.be/uFuul1wBDu4

So when can I expect my $100?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Na363glDoY
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AWESOME! Please let us know if he keeps his word and pays up.
So I noticed klockWork is posting in other threads, but appears to be ignoring this one now.
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I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but this is the play that I thought of instantly.

http://youtu.be/uFuul1wBDu4

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As I was saying...................
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naaa we have a Super bowl winning OC coaching a Backup QB jus saying
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Click the link to view a bunch of Schaub highlights were he debunks most of what any Schaub hater say in these posts, and a few that confirm them also, but to all of you who say Matt can't this or that... Watch and then let's hear your excuses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzkqchFbhM
how about showing some of his highlights from this year? He's not the same player he was before the injury. He's never been anything more than a system QB anyway. Not that that is a bad thing. He and the coach have known his weaknesses and have done a good job of masking them up until now. The problem now is that he doesn't have the ability that he had to move around and that is really handcuffing this offense.

Hell if you need proof look at how many times we have thrown screens or run draws on 3rd and long. It's almost a given now. Defenses have picked it up too. They know if they get ANY pressure at all on Schaub he will throw it away or dump it off immediately.

Kubiak knows not to trust Matt in those situations so he is doing what he can to work around it. If that's not the case then Kubiak is the most conservative uncreative offensive coordinator in the history of the NFL.
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Just one question: How many HoF QBs have won a Super Bowl as HC?

*HoF QB is the qualifier as those are the only QBs acceptable by this board, ie Manning, Brady, or Brees, etc.
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Kubiak knows not to trust Matt in those situations so he is doing what he can to work around it. If that's not the case then Kubiak is the most conservative uncreative offensive coordinator in the history of the NFL.
I think it's more of a lack of trust in his O-line than Schaub.

He doesn't think they can hold up when the opponent just pins their ears back.
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