How to fix the offense

[Wolf]

This coming week, more Daniels and graham . More Tate

[hradhak]

We need a different mix of plays. Right now our offense doesn't resemble the team of 2 years ago when we could convert more than 50% of our 3rd downs. We are last in 3rd down conversions this season. Down from the best.

I would like to see more screens, more passing to Arian in the flat, and passing the ball to the TEs. Our WRs aren't gonna get any more this season than what we've got.

[HJam72]

Originally Posted by MEGA SWATT

That's not going to help. He can't hit a receiver in stride. If he ever does or recently has.....it was an accident.



agreed.

Actually, he did really well (you just reminded me) in the Denver game. God, that was a long time ago. Seems like last year.

[mariowillshine15]

Originally Posted by HJam72

I like that one.

Those play action deep passes are only open like that 2-3 times a game at most. He has to hit those.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by HJam72

Actually, he did really well (you just reminded me) in the Denver game. God, that was a long time ago. Seems like last year.

yeah it does, that is when our offense was looking like the cream of the crop in the NFL, scoring easily and at will. Man the drop off is so big it is almost hard to believe.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Then I think that we invest heavily in the offensive line. I'm talking first day picks and maybe a free agent signing. It's time to take OL picks more seriously.

I always thought that was one thing the Oilers did right. They drafted a bunch of O-lineman early and rode them for about 10 years. Sometimes you need more than lineman that work in the scheme that your using you need some guys who can outplay the guy in front of him.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

yeah it does, that is when our offense was looking like the cream of the crop in the NFL, scoring easily and at will. Man the drop off is so big it is almost hard to believe.

what changed...did an olinemen get hurt or something...what is causing this massive drop off?

[mariowillshine15]

Originally Posted by utahmark

This team needs speed somewhere on the offensive side of the ball. None of our skill positions players are a threat to go the distance. Maybe we miss Jacoby.

His fumbling ability would have helped tremendously in crushing our hopes even worse than they are now.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by mariowillshine15

His fumbling ability would have helped tremendously in crushing our hopes even worse than they are now.

not to mention , its not our ability to get open deep, its the ability or lack of getting them the ball

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by mariowillshine15

His fumbling ability would have helped tremendously in crushing our hopes even worse than they are now.

I agree. But we do need some type of deep threat to open up the rest of the field.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by utahmark

I agree. But we do need some type of deep threat to open up the rest of the field.

see above

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by amazing80

what changed...did an olinemen get hurt or something...what is causing this massive drop off?

honestly. here is what i think.

when kubiak gets a little lead in a game he gets really conservative, i see no difference in what he did with our lead in the AFC and it really bit us in the ass. I think he is the reason for the drop off. He seems to get scared and tries to out smart himself.

so we get a lead in a game and go turtle and we get a lead in the AFC and go turtle, not surprising really. I expect to see him open it back up next weekend now that we've lost HFA haha

[Spled]

For the playoffs I like to see them use the play action more.

[mariowillshine15]

Originally Posted by amazing80

not to mention , its not our ability to get open deep, its the ability or lack of getting them the ball

So true. No matter how open a guy is if the QB can't get it to them it does no good.

[Rey]

We need a new qb. It's not the wr's. It's not. It's not the te's. It's not the oline. It's not the rb.

We need a new qb. Or we need a new coach that will get a new qb.

Schaub and kubiak are a poor combination. Schaub is a back up qb. He is John kitna.

I don't care if we take s couple steps back at the position trying to find a guy that can make plays. He's not the guy. Hes a grade above Chad henne. He's Matt hassleback. He's Alex smith without the mobility and arm. He's the non mobile safe with the ball sage rosenfels. He's the more successful Gary kubiak...and only because he made him that...

[Tailgate]

Get Winston, Briesel, Dreessen, Leach, Gibbs, and Kyle Shannahan back. Reverse the aging process on Andre, add a true # 2 WR... get Tate back to form, And replace Schaub with a mobile, proven playoff QB who has been studying this system secretly on the side for years.

VUALA!!!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

Are we talking about the offseason or for the upcoming Cincy game?

For this year.....Get the damn TE's involved. What happened to the TE playaction game? Casey doesn't get any touches anymore. Martin is completely invisible in the slot. No looks. We ride Foster too much. Get Tate more carries. Rediscover the intermediate passing game.

For next year....need to upgrade the O-Line. It's been a sieve for the last month. Need to add another receiving weapon. Would be nice to add another good TE.

I agree with this for the most part. Make KDub a TE open up our 3 TE packages. Take your pick for the #2 WR. I like Posey & Jean sharing that spot, with KMart in the slot. Get Tate involved. Foster ran better when he was competing with Tate.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

honestly. here is what i think.

when kubiak gets a little lead in a game he gets really conservative, i see no difference in what he did with our lead in the AFC and it really bit us in the ass. I think he is the reason for the drop off. He seems to get scared and tries to out smart himself.

so we get a lead in a game and go turtle and we get a lead in the AFC and go turtle, not surprising really. I expect to see him open it back up next weekend now that we've lost HFA haha

idk, we were barely ahead of indy and we seemed to drop off before we ever played them...something is not right, not sure what....

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by amazing80

not to mention , its not our ability to get open deep, its the ability or lack of getting them the ball

I'm not sure about the first part. When all our guys are getting man coverage all game and all you ever see is an occasional man with half a step on thier defender..... It does'nt make the other coach want to double anyone. No one is worried about anyone on our team making a game changing play. I never see AJ getting double coverage anymore and we sure don't have anyone else to take the presure off. We need a playmaker.

You are right about Schaub being part of the problem as well.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by utahmark

I'm not sure about the first part. When all our guys are getting man coverage all game and all you ever see is an occasional man with half a step on thier defender..... It does'nt make the other coach want to double anyone. No one is worried about anyone on our team making a game changing play. I never see AJ getting double coverage anymore and we sure don't have anyone else to take the presure off. We need a playmaker.

You are right about Schaub being part of the problem as well.

well I see guys beating their man consistently and Schaub under throwing them and then occasionally over throwing them...he did it what, 2 or 3 times today? how many times do you think we should go deep? the system is fine, the skill players are fine, the person running the offense is not fine.

but since we cannot change that right now we need to come up with another plan to further limit schaubs inabilities.

I think we need to run more but in order to do this we need to shore up the right side of the line...not sure how, but they better evaluate the entire team and see if we can plug anyone in at rg and get better play....because the last few games have not been good over there