Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-22-2005   #1
nunusguy
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,991
Rep Power: 185 nunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Draft/Player Development should now be top Priorities

What's the benefit to finishing say 5-11 instead of 3-13 ? None. But there's
a huge potential cost, and that's not having a top 5 pick (or perhaps even
#1 overall), in what is expected to be a very strong draft. It would also be
a golden opportunity to play younger guys like Wand & Armstrong instead of old timers like Riley & Bradford who probably won't even be with the team after this year. And most of all, Ragone could get some starts instead of Carr.
Will Carr's confidence be adversly affected, probably not if they pcik up that
option at year end. But they may not want to exercise that option after giving Ragone a chance ? There's only one way to know. Will Capers be upset because McNair directs him to make these moves ? So what, let him quit because if McNair is entertaining any thoughts of retaining Capers after a year which can only be veiwed as a failure by the HC, he will be faced with the prospects of TV blackouts and tens of thousands of empty seats next years and a setback to the teams development for years to come.
nunusguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #2
Runner
Hubcap Diamond
 
Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,752
Rep Power: 36043 Runner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I'm all for seeing some player development with serious playing time; one quarter a game won't cut it. This would also include quality practice time. Here are the players I can think of, there really aren't all that many.

Wand
Armstrong
Morency
Ragone
Murphy (depending on injury status)
Sanders
Weary

Except for Armstrong and Sanders, I'm not holding my breath that we will see any of these players barring injury to the starters.

Last edited by Runner; 11-22-2005 at 09:29 AM.
Runner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #3
MorKnolle
Hall of Fame
 
MorKnolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,210
Rep Power: 0 MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle
Default

I would like to Morency get some reps. Davis got his knee problem after carrying the ball 22 times in the first half against the Colts a few weeks ago, there is no need to run him that much. Bring Morency in once every 3-4 plays to let Davis rest up a bit. They are the same type of runners and are capable of doing the same things. Morency dances around a little too much and isn't quite as quick as Davis but he has better straight line speed. Wells has been used sparingly to rest Davis but he is a different style runner and they try to run him off tackle when he doesn't really have the speed to effectively do that.
MorKnolle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #4
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MorKnolle
Wells has been used sparingly to rest Davis but he is a different style runner and they try to run him off tackle when he doesn't really have the speed to effectively do that.
The coaches only talk about sharing the reps but in reality they just don't do it when Dom is playing. Wells only had one carry Sunday night.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #5
humbleone
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 59
Posts: 343
Rep Power: 10 humbleone is a fan favorite
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
The coaches only talk about sharing the reps but in reality they just don't do it when Dom is playing. Wells only had one carry Sunday night.
Exactly right...and this group won't pay anything but lip service to it for the rest of the way because they are still in denial and think that if they win one-three games through the weak part of our schedule they can at least salvage some of their reputations.

This is a primary reason why McNair is making a huge mistake by not letting Marciano finish the season so that we can get someone to lead with only one agenda...that being what is in the best interest of the team long term.
humbleone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #6
Runner
Hubcap Diamond
 
Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,752
Rep Power: 36043 Runner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by humbleone
Exactly right...and this group won't pay anything but lip service to it for the rest of the way because they are still in denial and think that if they win one-three games through the weak part of our schedule they can at least salvage some of their reputations.
As badly as we're playing, why assume that the current starters have a better chance of winning than players who are fighting to show the Texans or their next team what they can do?
Runner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #7
humbleone
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 59
Posts: 343
Rep Power: 10 humbleone is a fan favorite
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runner
As badly as we're playing, why assume that the current starters have a better chance of winning than players who are fighting to show the Texans or their next team what they can do?
Well said...but this group of coaches has proven that the "starters" they are riding have to be dead and decaying in public before they bring in there backups (Bradford, Coleman etc...) There is a time to play your young guys to test their talent and "want to" when it matters so that you can build for the future and we are there IMO.
humbleone is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 11-22-2005   #8
MorKnolle
Hall of Fame
 
MorKnolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,210
Rep Power: 0 MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
The coaches only talk about sharing the reps but in reality they just don't do it when Dom is playing. Wells only had one carry Sunday night.
True, but Davis didn't run the ball much either. It wasn't like in some previous games where we ran Davis 5-6 plays in a row.
MorKnolle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #9
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MorKnolle
True, but Davis didn't run the ball much either. It wasn't like in some previous games where we ran Davis 5-6 plays in a row.
McKinney said that the team had more running plays called but Dave kept checking out of them to throw those hitch passes. Wells wasn't in enough to give the coaches lip service about sharing touches any credibility at all.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #10
Bullpen Drew
All Pro
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Austin
Age: 43
Posts: 737
Rep Power: 10 Bullpen Drew is ridin' the pine
Default

Coach development too!
__________________
Our time is coming.....

BTW, Try the Bullpen Drew BBQ joint! Our motto...

"Nobody beats my meat!"
Bullpen Drew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #11
TexanFanInCC
Hall of Fame
 
TexanFanInCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Richmond / Corpus Christi
Age: 29
Posts: 1,326
Rep Power: 11 TexanFanInCC is a team player
Send a message via AIM to TexanFanInCC Send a message via Yahoo to TexanFanInCC
Default

what gets to me is that derrick armstrong hardly gets PT. i mean, i can say without a doubt he has some of the best hands on the team and can flat out make rediculously hard plays look easy. he ought to be at least the number 2 or 3 reciever. and where the heck is mathis in the WR mix. this dude is also 2 or 3 reciever quality....i mean so what if he is raw and young...so what? ya gotta break him in sometime, and theres no excuse for leaving his speed out of the fold. by next year, we will have 4 fast recievers that can outrun alot of people, so with a solid o-line, i expect deep balls. hopefully if capers is fired, we can get a head coach like a mike martz who is very aggressive in the passing game....u just gotta use these guys' speed.
__________________
wishlist: DT, SS, CB, FS ....see the trend? (recipe for greatness)
TexanFanInCC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #12
TexanFanInCC
Hall of Fame
 
TexanFanInCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Richmond / Corpus Christi
Age: 29
Posts: 1,326
Rep Power: 11 TexanFanInCC is a team player
Send a message via AIM to TexanFanInCC Send a message via Yahoo to TexanFanInCC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullpen Drew
Coach development too!
i say the coaches are a lost cause....they wont be back next year....none of em. next year will be a new beginning. (should)
__________________
wishlist: DT, SS, CB, FS ....see the trend? (recipe for greatness)
TexanFanInCC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #13
MorKnolle
Hall of Fame
 
MorKnolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,210
Rep Power: 0 MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle
Default

The coaches said before/after last game that they hadn't played Mathis at WR all week so he could rest up his hamstring and make sure he could at least do KR. They plan to start factoring him in more on offense too but have to make sure he's healthy enough to do both that and KR.
MorKnolle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #14
Ibar_Harry
Hall of Fame
 
Ibar_Harry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,219
Rep Power: 15 Ibar_Harry was voted MVPIbar_Harry was voted MVPIbar_Harry was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MorKnolle
The coaches said before/after last game that they hadn't played Mathis at WR all week so he could rest up his hamstring and make sure he could at least do KR. They plan to start factoring him in more on offense too but have to make sure he's healthy enough to do both that and KR.
But what is the reason for not playing Armstrong more? We let go talented young receivers to retain Bradford a guy they admitted was just learning to run routes in TC after being in the NFL how long? Its how hard you look like you are working that gets the eye of this coaching staff? Is talent a factor? No, that is unimportant. Is potential important? No, why would potential be a factor? You see by the book its experience that means everything and being a yes sir type of guy to these coaches. It also helps to congratulate them on how effective you think there plans and style play are. In other words brown nose the heck out of them and you will be fine and dandy. I'm sorry, but its time to say good night, change the locks, and get on with business.
Ibar_Harry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #15
tsip
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,277
Rep Power: 13 tsip was voted MVPtsip was voted MVPtsip was voted MVP
Default Capers=change in philosophy?...NOTTTTT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
The coaches only talk about sharing the reps but in reality they just don't do it when Dom is playing. Wells only had one carry Sunday night.
...exactly right--Capers went out of his way to say Wells had earned a bigger share of the load...typical Capers! I remember during the preseason when our first 3 QBs were questionable for playing time and Capers made the statement that the one QB he could say for sure would get playing time was Preston Parsons!!!! NOTTTTTTTTTT...not even a snap. A lot of fans bought into Capers rhetoric for a long time and-guess what--he still spits out the same old BS. Does he really believe we are still buying it?

And, he coaches the team the same way--for him, his philosophy is not the problem, it's the failure of the players to correctly execute that philosophy...talk about a no win situation, Capers will never 'see the forest because of all the trees'....:brickwall
tsip is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger