The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[coltfan123]

Originally Posted by mariowillshine15

I guess he's saving all the good plays for the playoffs.

hope thats sarcasm lol

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I can't put this on Kubiak. The plays were there.

Something is wrong with his offense no doubt about that & as HC/OC, it falls on him to figure it out & fix it. 4 games now.... should have been fixed by now.

However, he wasn't fired after going 9-7. He tried his damdest but didn't get fired after 6-10. He's not going to get fired after going 12-4

The OL got their asses handed to them all game long and the Vikings did it with their front four for the most part.


Schaub .... 18/32 , he just didnt look right at all. He looks like he's playing scared of getting hurt and scared to make a mistake. Just too damn conservative .... Has been that way pretty much all season. He also left a few plays on the field with poor reads.
His lack of mobility (elusiveness) just doesnt allow him to extend plays when protection breaks down.

If you told me AP would only gain 86 yards , I'd have thought the Texans won going away.

Looked like only one guy showed up to play on offense today .... #80.

Ive been a defender of Schaub for a while , but that support is begining to fade ..... He better get his sh!t together or else that deep playoff run we all expected might turn into one and done , homefield or not.

[otisbean]

I would agree, horrible job by the OL today and Schaub hasn't looked like himself lately at all.

[MasterCush]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

The OL got their asses handed to them all game long and the Vikings did it with their front four for the most part.


Schaub .... 18/32 , he just didnt look right at all. He looks like he's playing scared of getting hurt and scared to make a mistake. Just too damn conservative .... Has been that way pretty much all season. He also left a few plays on the field with poor reads.
His lack of mobility (elusiveness) just doesnt allow him to extend plays when protection breaks down.

If you told me AP would only gain 86 yards , I'd have thought the Texans won going away.

Looked like only one guy showed up to play on offense today .... #80.

Ive been a defender of Schaub for a while , but that support is begining to fade ..... He better get his sh!t together or else that deep playoff run we all expected might turn into one and done , homefield or not.

Thank you for summarizing all my thoughts for me exactly. I thought Schaub could be the one, but now I have serious doubts. Everything you said, I agree with whole-heartely.

[Bulls on Parade]

Matt Schaub looks slower than ever in the pocket. Do you guys think a more mobile quarterback would better utilize our offense like Robert Griffin III does in Washington or Russell Wilson does in Seattle?

T.J. Yates immediately came into the game and made a nice pass on the run that Schaub would have otherwise been sacked on. Unfortunately Yates is not a very good passer, in terms of accuracy, and threw an interception not long after. The Texans future quarterback is playing at Texas A&M right now. I want some Johnny Football in a few years.

I still want to see Matt Schaub win a Super Bowl this year. He better elevate his game and not look so damn slow in the pocket. At least move around and avoid the pressure like Tony Romo does in Dallas. I don't even think Romo is that great but he somehow is able to avoid the pass rush with a worse offensive line than what the Texans have.

It's all on number 8 right now, IMO... If he keeps playing like crap we have zero chance to win.

[Trail.Blazr]

Originally Posted by TexCanada

That's a ridiculous statement. Nobody is on here saying that Kubiak should have an unlimited leash.

Nobody on here holds the leash. I wouldn't say it's too ridiculous. While we can elect to disagree with the notion, there's some foundation that would support the opinion that Kubiak has the benefit of time on his side.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

The OL got their asses handed to them all game long and the Vikings did it with their front four for the most part.


Schaub .... 18/32 , he just didnt look right at all. He looks like he's playing scared of getting hurt and scared to make a mistake. Just too damn conservative .... Has been that way pretty much all season. He also left a few plays on the field with poor reads.
His lack of mobility (elusiveness) just doesnt allow him to extend plays when protection breaks down.

I agree with everything you're saying here. My response was really a "I don't blame the play-calling" reply. He could have called a perfect game & the issues you mentioned would have still been there.

[Porky]

Should have run 4 straight times inside the one. Schaub isn't Tom Brady and as other have said if you can't punch it in with 4 tries from 2 ft out, then you might as well just pack it up and go home.

When the offense is clicking, it's because the running game is clicking and the play action keeps the D honest, so Schaub (aka Statue) can operate. Once he is pushed off his mark with any consistency and he becomes the focal point of the offense, he sucks. In short, he is a complimentary player who is pretty good under ideal circumstances, but he isn't and never will be a guy who takes the other 10 guys on his shoulder and will his team to a win.

And while we are on the subject, let's put part of the blame on the inept offense at the feet of Rick Smith. The genius that blew up the right side of the line. Ryan Harris is a joke. He shouldn't be on an NFL team. I haven't seen that poor of RT play since our inaugural season or two. Newton is barely passable and MIGHT be a good tackle some day, but not yet. At least he has some tools to work with and is adequate. The RG guard play has been uninspiring and inconsistent. Again, some youngsters with tools there but this should be a learning year for them.

All you people bitching about the Caveman. I have news for you. We went from the Caveman to the Geico caveman. You got your wish, so a pox on all your houses.

Lastly, outside of Andre, we have nobody on offense that the D truly fears. Foster? Nope, not this year. He is very average at best this year. OD is a good pass catching TE but he isn't dynamic. They've spent years using high draft picks and FA signings to bolster the D. Addition by subtraction on the right side of the line? Nope.

We need a dynamic player somewhere else on offense. We need help on the right side of the line. These need to be high priorities this coming off-season.

Lastly, do we need to consider taking a QB high or trading for a up and comer we can groom? Schaub was already a statue and now post injury he looks like he is literally buried in concrete. I wonder what this offense could do with a John Elway "style" athlete back there. Not a running QB per se, but someone mobile that can move around, avoid the rush, make plays with his feet etc.

[El Tejano]

Can we also bring up the fact that none of our receivers tend to get away from a team that's got decent DBs. Everyone save for Daniels and AJ can't get open enough and Schaub has to hold on to the ball.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I agree with everything you're saying here. My response was really a "I don't blame the play-calling" reply. He could have called a perfect game & the issues you mentioned would have still been there.

I was more or less agreeing with you .... Just went into detail on why and that the playcalling is limited because of the QB's limitations.

Think about when the last time you saw a seam route ~30 yards downfield (that doesnt have a lot of air under it), the type of pass that has to have some real zip on it.

If Schaub is throwing more than 25 yards down field , more than likely the ball has a lot of air under it. He really cant take advantage of recievers creating seperation on those longer routes but rather tends to throw to a spot that only the reciever can make a play. Not that this is a bad thing , just that he doesnt have the arm to take advantage of some situations.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Porky

Should have run 4 straight times inside the one. Schaub isn't Tom Brady and as other have said if you can't punch it in with 4 tries from 2 ft out, then you might as well just pack it up and go home.

Hell Like Tom Landry said , If we cant get one yard (on one play), we dont deserve to be called contenders.

[Mr. Texan]

kubiak brought in frank bush

kubiak brought in joe marciano

kubiak stuck with schaub (for you schaub haters)

hmm...

[eriadoc]

This team was 11-1. 12-4 feels good, huh?

[CretorFrigg]

Pathetic.

[RTP2110]

I realized something just now.

There's a common complaint about Matt Schaub that goes something like this: He's a really good QB if everything around him is perfect. If things break down and it is up to him to make the difference he can't do it, and that's what holds him back from being elite.

Today I realized that Gary Kubiak is the exact same guy! It hit me when someone was defending Kubiak with a bunch of excuses. We lost Cushing, traded Demeco, lost our RG & RT, the new O-line played crappy, Schaub is off. What do you expect Kubiak to do when everyone else is not doing their jobs? Kubiak and Schaub are the same guy. If Kubiak has a team full of stars, great coordinators, and everything is clicking then he's an elite head coach. (Who wouldn't be?) But when things start breaking down and it up to him and his coaching to compensate...it ain't gonna happen.

[GP]

We're doomed.

Kubiak: long term deal.

Schaub: long term deal.

Bad, BAD decisions.

Both these guys are going to lead us into mediocrity for the next 2 to 4 years.

[RCPM]

No leadership on offense. I have NO faith in kubes.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

This team was 11-1. 12-4 feels good, huh?

nothing like a total late season collapse to sooth the savage beast of an NFL fan.

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

This team was 11-1. 12-4 feels good, huh?

It's pretty sickening to be honest. There's no excuse for the total collapse at this point in the season.

I'm not going to give up. The playoffs are a whole new season and anything can happen, but I'm not optimistic.

I don't like what I'm looking at.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

We're doomed.

Kubiak: long term deal.

Schaub: long term deal.

Bad, BAD decisions.

Both these guys are going to lead us into mediocrity for the next 2 to 4 years.

Not necessarily. Coaches get fired all the time, regardless of their contract length. The thing hurting us, is that he got this team to the play offs two years in a row. Firing him now would be like firing Dungy from Tampa, or Schotenheimer (sp) from the Chargers. One of those worked out, they replaced Dungy with the guy they needed for that season, but it crashed & burned soon after.

Schaub. Long contract, but only next year is guaranteed. There is nothing stopping us from getting a franchise guy next season, other than a poor QB draft.

If the Texans feel good about Keenum, it wouldn't be a bad idea to throw him out there & see where he takes us. Other than that, they'll have to pick off the FA wire. Kolb? Maybe try to trade. If the Vikings win today, the Bears may want to blow that thing up, could we get Cutler? Or do we can target one of these young back ups.... Cousins.....

I wouldn't necessarily say bad decisions.