Matt Schaub voted 2012 Ed Block Courage Award winner

[thunderkyss]

What if Matt is paying through incredibe pain?

Think maybe this would be the reason for his teammates to give him this award? What if his "regression" has been due to increasing complications from his injury?

If this is true (even though I don't see it, he looks fine to me) that may be the "what's wrong with our offense?"

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that the more possessions you have the more plays you can run.

We have a better defense that has given us the ball more often. So I'd expect the total amount of plays to have grown as well.

I guess you are such a Texan historian you didn't spot the reference to 2009 and 2010 in which our defense was middling and then horrible.

But let's examine your theory, offensive plays:

1043 - 2009 mediocre defense
1029 - 2010 crap defense
1046 - 2011 really good defense

Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that the more possessions you have the more plays you can run.

We have a better defense that has given us the ball more often. So I'd expect the total amount of plays to have grown as well.

And if you want to talk to the run first people you need to talk to Kubiak because he's the one that keeps saying that our passing game doesn't work well when we aren't running it well. He's the one that says it starts with the running game...

More possessions hasn't exactly added to a much higher % of pass plays. We have ran the ball into an oblivion this season. Kubiak gets a two possession lead by the 2nd half and all he does is run the ball with an occasional down the field play action pass. Schaub's numbers have been down actually due to the success of the running game's ability to milk the clock with early leads. Our entire success for this offense is predicated off the run with how KUbiak wants it to work.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I guess you are such a Texan historian you didn't spot the reference to 2009 and 2010 in which our defense was middling and then horrible.

But let's examine your theory, offensive plays:

1043 - 2009 mediocre defense
1029 - 2010 crap defense
1046 - 2011 really good defense

Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

It's to the point now where guys will say anything not to give this guy any credit for anything he or this team does. He plays well..."oh, well the offense is qb friendly, anybody could put up the stats he's putting up"..he plays badly "the offense sucks b/c schaub sucks...." It's ridiculous.

[Textan]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

That holds true if you're talking about past seasons, but this year our running game is ranked 7th in the league. Are you saying the D doesn't respect Foster or Tate?
Not sure what you're saying, other than proving my original idea that every facet of the offense has to almost be flawless for this non-scrambling QB to be somewhat good?
Pressure = Schaub not being good.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Man those are some wild swings. That is 1 qtr of football over the course of a season or to put it another way 1 play per game - hardly a stat padding dynamic.. Want to try another theory on? You can stick another "you're smart enough" comment in.

Do you understand that from 2010 (bad defense) to 2011 (good defense) we had over 100 less pass attempts. In 2010 Arian was 2nd in YAC with over 600 yards of yards after making a catch. In other years it's been Andre Johnson. Every year since 2008 we've had someone in the top six in YAC. No other team has done that. Only other team to come close is the PATS with Welker.

I'll let you do the math on that one. Also, one thing Matt Schaub has consistently had that I haven't seen other top passers always have is a guy that is in the top 6 in Yards after Catch.



And I don't know where you are getting your numbers from but I have us with 1018 plays in 2009 from nfl.com.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Do some of you even think? With a crap running game in a system predicated on play action passing where "the D has to respect the running game" Schaub led the league in passing. There is some legitimate criticism and discussion going on but the hyperbole is drowning it out.

Who gives a rats ars what Schaub was able to do in the past. Do you really believe he is still the same player he was then? Do you not see the difference in his play since the injury. Have you not watched him regress all year? Defending him by bringing up his past numbers is irrelevant because his ability to perform at that level has diminished progressively since his injury.

This is not the same Matt Sschaub. He can still play well as long as other facets of the offense are doing well. He plays off them. The problem is that other teams know this now and are going to load up to stop our running game and put pressure on him. When that happens its game over.

Watch Indy do exactly that. I don't know if they have the personnel to be successful but it's the formula to beat us. When we get to the playoffs I expect anyone and everyone we face to use it.

[tedr]

I think Schaub deserves a chance to show what he can do in the playoffs before he's declared unfit to lead this team.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by tedr

I think Schaub deserves a chance to show what he can do in the playoffs before he's declared unfit to lead this team.

And he will most certainly get it. Then we'll all argue about what it "meant" regardless of whether he plays well or plays poorly for the rest of the year or at least until next season gets underway.

[C Madd]

How I feel about all the Schaub hating posts and threads:

[tedr]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.

Because I expressed my opinion?

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.

The man has an opinion, he can express it. Besides which, peoples minds change over time. I was a real Schaub hater when we first got him, but I've changed my mind since. Below is a post I made years ago after the trade. I'm just using it to illustrate how people can post stuff that later they disagree with themselves on. It happens.

Originally Posted by Thorn

I hate to interrupt everyone’s happiness, but so far I am still more impressed with Sage that Schwab. Considering the price we paid for him at any rate.

Ok, yall can crucify me now. I’m going for another beer anyway.

I got some negative rep for that one. Turns out they were right. LOL

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I think you deserve a chance to never post again before you never post again.

What does that even mean?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Thorn

I got some negative rep for that one. Turns out they were right. LOL

Not necessarily. Kubiak simply decided to hitch his wagon to a different horse.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

Ask Eli Manning.
The first time the Giants won the SB, their regular season record was 10-6.
They went 3-3 in the division.
Eli had the lowest Qb rating in his career, except for his rookie year when he didn't play much
He threw 20 INTs and 23 Tds.
Yeah he sucked.

The second time, he went 9-7 in the regular season.

The other 3 times, when the Giants had much better regular season records, he lost the first play-off game every time.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

I am not convinced that Schaub "sucks" in the regular season. I agree he isn't elite, but I've always said that was because he needs to pad the W column. All the other stats are there. He's played well, more times than not.

& I'm by no means a Schaub fan. I'd take Romo before Schaub if I was building a team. But it is what it is. He takes us on a sweet play-off run, get a couple of play-off victories under his belt, continue to play the way he has last season & this season..... other people will start calling him elite.

[tedr]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

First, I was trying to be funny, but actually it doesn't make sense to say a guy who sucks in the regular season deserves a chance to prove himself in the playoffs. He has already proven what he is. If suddenly he plays like a top notch QB in the playoffs that would say to me that he was just coasting and didnt really care during the season.

I guess you and I have different definitions of "sucks". I don't think anyone could objectively say Schaub has "sucked" this year. He's had a few subpar games, but he's done a pretty decent job.

I was going to bring up Eli Manning in 2007, but that's been done now. Nobody knows how Matt will perform in the playoffs, but, yeah, I think he's earned a chance to show what he's got. Also, I don't think there's any question he's earned his teammates' respect. That says a lot to me.

[Texan_Bill]

Why wouldn't he be?? There have been many a players that never came back from a "lins-franc" injury...

Fortunately: Matt Schaub has made it back!!



UNFORTUNATELY: Doc Jean called it it whenever he mentioned that Schaub's performance would take a "down-turn" based on the nature of the injury...

Me.... Personally?? I hope Doc Jean is wrong........ For once!!

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Why wouldn't he be?? There have been many a players that never came back from a "lins-franc" injury...

Fortunately: Matt Schaub has made it back!!



UNFORTUNATELY: Doc Jean called it it whenever he mentioned that Schaub's performance would take a "down-turn" based on the nature of the injury...

Me.... Personally?? I hope Doc Jean is wrong........ For once!!

...if only Doc knew how to transplant Schaub's experience and decision-making into Yates' younger body...

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

not matts strong point.

In fact its one of the issues with him ... Throwing into double and triple coverage or dumping the ball off two yards down the field when they need ten yards on third down.

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