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Old 12-25-2012   #21
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So *Colin Kaepernick came in and played well and Smith was benched for that reason.

Is that not Smith being benched for a reason?
Actually Kaepernick came in and played light out. He was just to hot to take back out of the lineup. This season Smith was third in QB rating when he got hurt, behind Manning and Aaron Rodgers. In his last full game he was 18-of-19 with three TDs. Before he was knocked out of the game against St. Louis, he was 7-of-8 with a TD. Three of his five interceptions this season came in one game -- against the New York Giants, the defending Super Bowl champs. He was 20-6-1 in the games he's started for Harbaugh. He's not flashy … but he wins. Last season he had six fourth-quarter comebacks, including the playoffs.

He wasn't benched he got hurt and the coach decided to go with the hot "hot hand".
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Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really?
You can tell that many of them don't..they watch the texans and dont have clue about what's going on with other teams and players. Some of these suggestions are just absurd

Then, the fact that some believe we could actually get a first for a 30 year old middling qb.....
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ill give u a answer after the playoffs
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Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really?
Smith is a limited QB like Schaub .... he is a little more mobile tho.

Upgrade ? I dont know .... but like Schaub Smith doesnt make many mistakes. He threw a total of 5 INT's in 445 attempts last season. Thats taking care of the ball.
He's also more mobile and has a stronger arm .... even if only marginally better in either.

Thats a QB who went 13-3 last year and was on track to repeat that prior to being sidelined by an injury, Smith was 6-2 as the starter while Colin Kaepernick has gone 4-2-1 with that same team .... with a loss and tie to a .500 Rams team.

Honestly I think Harbaugh will regret switching QB's as Kaepernick is much more mistakeprone .... Playoff football isnt forgiving of mistakes.
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Maybe if we glued some roller skates to his feet we could pass him off as semi mobile and get a higher pick for him.
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I think you meant to say "unlike" Schaub?

That being said to answer the OP we would be extremely fortunate to get a 4th or 5th for Matt.
Schaub only has 10 thru 15 games this season .... and has been 2.1% or below on INT's the last three seasons.


Smith's numbers last season were simply fabulous ... 1.1% Int rate. To put that in perspective , Brady has had only one year better (0.8% in 2010 which was a record breaking year for the Pats offense) and only two seasons below 2% (2007 - 1.4% and 2012 1.3%). In all the others Brady has been between 2.0 and 3.0% with a career total of 2.1%.
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Meh, threads like this cause much debate and arguments for no reason. All of us could hate Schaub but Gary will never admit he was wrong and make a change. And to me Alex is a younger version of Matt with more mobility. He would be ok in our system and would provide things Matt doesn't but to trade or even sign him while you have Matt is more of a lateral move then anything.

To me the only way to upgrade is by drafting someone. IF YATES is not the guy like many seem to think (not me, I like Yates) then you have to get a qb higher in the draft.
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Meh, threads like this cause much debate and arguments for no reason. All of us could hate Schaub but Gary will never admit he was wrong and make a change. And to me Alex is a younger version of Matt with more mobility. He would be ok in our system and would provide things Matt doesn't but to trade or even sign him while you have Matt is more of a lateral move then anything.

To me the only way to upgrade is by drafting someone. IF YATES is not the guy like many seem to think (not me, I like Yates) then you have to get a qb higher in the draft.
The problem with trying to replace Schaub is getting a guy who is better. Getting a guy who is worse makes no sense. I don't see Alex Smith as an improvement. What other free agent QBs may be available? Matt Moore? Jason Campbell. Neither of these guys screams improvement to me.

This is a poor year to draft a franchise QB. None of the 2013 QBs look like franchise signal callers. 2014 looks like a better year to grab a QB high. So, i imagine the team is stuck with Schaub for another year, whether they like it or not.
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Sometimes i wonder if people actually sit down and watch other nfl games. I mean, really watch them. Alex Smith? Really?
Of course they don't. That much is clear.
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Ok, if you are basing it on INT's only, but during the course of the game Schaub makes many many mistakes that cost our offense chances to score or deliver FG's in the red zone instead of TD's.


mistakes costing us an extension of a drive is better than a mistake that cost us a turnover ala Yates
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We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?
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We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?


I would have been more than okay with peyton coming to town
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We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.

Schaub is not going anywhere until Kubiak is going somewhere, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Both of these cats are going to be here for awhile, so we might as well get used to it and hope for the best.

Maybe we can build a team around him that will not require him to have elevated performances, like the Bucs did with Trent Dilfer?
This is exactly why I want to spend some high picks on O-linemen this season...

We need guys that are dominant in run blocking and pass pro...Maybe get KW off the field a bit more too...
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Not much right now. But Schaub is about to enter into a defining moment of his career over the coming weeks.
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Not much right now. But Schaub is about to enter into a defining moment of his career over the coming weeks.
You're right...

I'm excited for him. He has a chance to change a lot of people's minds..Texan and Non-Texan fans...

About to go into his first play-offs...Best team record wise that he's ever been a part of...

Just has to do it...
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We had a chance at Peyton Manning in the off-season - who wanted to play here - and would not trade Schaub.
I dunno how we could stand Peyton's $18 million cap hit. And imo it would at minimum be imprudent for any GM to trade for Schaub with his lisfranc. I think we're lucky he could come back from it.
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A 7th rd pick, no really. Old and no arm strength
This is dumb Arizona would take that trade all day every day and not look back.
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well schaub has a chance to dictate that yall are right hes about to enter the biggest part of his football Career his LIFE

thts why this colts game is so Important to WIN it will give the team a chance to breathe and get rdy for the Playoffs
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This is exactly why I want to spend some high picks on O-linemen this season...

We need guys that are dominant in run blocking and pass pro...Maybe get KW off the field a bit more too...
I agree completely about heavy investment in o-line. I'm a firm believer that games are won/lost in the trenches. A great line can make a decent RB good and a good back great. And then with a statue QB, we need all the protection that we can get.

It seems pretty evident that many of this season's problems originate directly from platooning lineman on the right side. Arian is not looking anything like he did last year, and Schaub is getting David Carr syndrome by going fetal position when he just hears footsteps.

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I dunno how we could stand Peyton's $18 million cap hit. And imo it would at minimum be imprudent for any GM to trade for Schaub with his lisfranc. I think we're lucky he could come back from it.
I agree. I'm not a cap expert and have no thoughts on managing it. There were some folks around here that were working numbers as food for thought.

My main point was that the Texans never even entertained the idea, and according to Bob Allen, Manning had the Texans as no. 1 on his list but the Texans would not even grant him a meeting to discuss it. I don't think it was cap concerns as much as it is being married to Schaub. JMO obviously.

Good point on Schaub, too. I'm not sure who would have been interested in him at that point.

Hopefully the boy rises up for the playoffs and proves everyone wrong!
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