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Old 12-25-2012   #41
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It's unfair how people here use the O-line to defend Schaub when he's not playing well. Our pass blocking is not as bad as people make it out to be. Schaub is getting sufficient time to throw and when there is pressure he has the responsibilty to either step up or to the side of the pocket so the defender can run by. Most pass rush is avoidable by this fundamental footwork. These are the things every QB are taught in practice.

I remember a few years ago I visited Boston and had the chance to go watch a Patriots practice. I saw Tom Brady in a pocket-practice session where the staff were rolling big medicine balls at him from many angles. He was avoiding those balls while keeping his eyes down field with just a slide of the feet here and there. Brady like Schaub is no world-class athlete with their feet. QB that aren't mobile, like Brady and Manning can erased a bad block by their lineman by using simple footwork. The problem with Schaub is he has zero pocket awareness and instinct. That's why you see him often bracing on phantom pass rush.

Schaub strenght only last 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. After that if he can't find his targets a fuse go off in his head regardless of whether there's pressure or not. You see him looking for a roll out lane. Schaub will look for a roll out lane REGARDLESS of a presence of pressure. I seen him rolled out of a three-man pass rush on max-protected. Hell, I've seen him rolled out on a two-man rush where the defense drop everyone back to prevent a a red zone TD. When a QB do that they limit themselves to viable throwing targets. They also create the illusion to the media and fans that the O-line failed on that play and that's the reason a QB failed to make a throw. "It's the O-line fault. They didn't allow him enough time. Look how the QB have to scramble from that pass rush. They broke down"

Those guys upfront are busting their butts off for that guy. They're not perfect on every pass play. And they far from bad. They sufficient for the most part and that should be enough. To have you people here bash them is disgusting. You put a QB with sound footwork and good pocket-instinct behind that line, I guarantee everyone will view our O-line in a more positive way.

If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.

I wish folks here stop blaming the O-line for Schaub bad QB plays. He panic too often when his reciever are covered. And when he make a good throw within his 3 second window people are cool with that. But if his 3 second is up and there's no one open and Schaub gives up and takes a seat on defender's lap people call out our line.

This QB needs to be held accountable. So please. Stop blaming the line!!
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I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.
While Brady and Manning aren't Vick, Brady moves around and usually runs 3-5 times a game to pick up crucial 1st downs. Do you remember the run against the Texans for example. Manning while not a runner, he reads defenses quckly, moves around in the pocket well and has as fast of a release as anybody.

Schaub, (I was a Schaub guy) is like a sitting duck, I think the injury to his foot has changed Garys playcalling too. In 2008-2010, what do you think would've been the odds that Gary would've called atleast one QB sneak on 1st and 10 from the 1 yd line?

The OL has been terrible the past month and the right side of the OL has been bad all yr. Also Gary has failed to give Schaub the weapons he neds to take this offense to another level. Hopefully they draft a WR like Patterson, and draft another OT like Long or Winters in the 2nd rd.

Because Schaub needs all of the help he can get due to his foot injury and Schaub is going to be the Texans QB for the next 3 yrs. Just like Gary will be the Texans HC for that long, if not longer. We as Texans fans need to accept this and hope that sometime in the near future Rick/Gary will draft a franchise QB like when Rodgers was drafted while Favre was still playing.

Right now Schaub reminds me Marino at the end of his career, without Marinos arm. They dont have the mobility to even avoid the rush, much less run a true WC offense effectively.
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Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
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Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
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What team is going to let any of these guys go?
Answer: None. Not one.

So what is the point of this question?
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What team is going to let any of these guys go?
Answer: None. Not one.

So what is the point of this question?
I bet you half of them would be HAPPY to trade them straight up for Schaub.
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It's unfair how people here use the O-line to defend Schaub when he's not playing well. Our pass blocking is not as bad as people make it out to be. Schaub is getting sufficient time to throw and when there is pressure he has the responsibilty to either step up or to the side of the pocket so the defender can run by. Most pass rush is avoidable by this fundamental footwork. These are the things every QB are taught in practice.

I remember a few years ago I visited Boston and had the chance to go watch a Patriots practice. I saw Tom Brady in a pocket-practice session where the staff were rolling big medicine balls at him from many angles. He was avoiding those balls while keeping his eyes down field with just a slide of the feet here and there. Brady like Schaub is no world-class athlete with their feet. QB that aren't mobile, like Brady and Manning can erased a bad block by their lineman by using simple footwork. The problem with Schaub is he has zero pocket awareness and instinct. That's why you see him often bracing on phantom pass rush.

Schaub strenght only last 3 seconds from the snap of the ball. After that if he can't find his targets a fuse go off in his head regardless of whether there's pressure or not. You see him looking for a roll out lane. Schaub will look for a roll out lane REGARDLESS of a presence of pressure. I seen him rolled out of a three-man pass rush on max-protected. Hell, I've seen him rolled out on a two-man rush where the defense drop everyone back to prevent a a red zone TD. When a QB do that they limit themselves to viable throwing targets. They also create the illusion to the media and fans that the O-line failed on that play and that's the reason a QB failed to make a throw. "It's the O-line fault. They didn't allow him enough time. Look how the QB have to scramble from that pass rush. They broke down"

Those guys upfront are busting their butts off for that guy. They're not perfect on every pass play. And they far from bad. They sufficient for the most part and that should be enough. To have you people here bash them is disgusting. You put a QB with sound footwork and good pocket-instinct behind that line, I guarantee everyone will view our O-line in a more positive way.

If you guys are in disagreement with my assessment, I'll make a proposition for you. Show me a video of Schaub staying in a well protected pocket, standing poised waiting for his reciever to break routes and making a throw on a undesign play. Show me a video of Schaub stepping aside to avoid a pass rush, gather his feet and making a downfield throw while still in the pocket. If someone can upload that video in this forum I will paypal you a $100. You can go back to any years he played here. Hell you even can go back to when he was with the Falcon. And if you STILL in disagreement, next time you see a defense rushing only three and dropping everyone back, watch how he panics and make awkward throws or rolled out from a clean pocket. When his receiver aren't open and there's no roll out lane expect the balls to be thrown in the stands-regardless of pressure.

I wish folks here stop blaming the O-line for Schaub bad QB plays. He panic too often when his reciever are covered. And when he make a good throw within his 3 second window people are cool with that. But if his 3 second is up and there's no one open and Schaub gives up and takes a seat on defender's lap people call out our line.

This QB needs to be held accountable. So please. Stop blaming the line!!
**** that, I'm blaming the line just like I'm blaming Schaub. The OL has been ass for a month...this is fact.

It's the same crap that Foster gets when he "doesn't look the same". Good God, people...this is the football, the ultimate team sport. Schaub was terrible; has been for a few games, but to pretend like the Offensive line hasn't had a hand in the offense's suck-dom is crazy.
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I suspect that Schaub is injured right now. Possibly concussed. Something is affecting his concentration, and causing him to overreact to pursuing defenders. He is definitely not as sharp or accurate as he was in the first half of the season.
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I bet you half of them would be HAPPY to trade them straight up for Schaub.
lol really? name them.. which teams would trade their qb straight up for schaub.. of the teams listed in the op.. i even added 4 on the back end.. now tell us, which half of the names listed would their teams love to trade for schaub..

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lol really? name them.. which teams would trade their qb straight up for schaub.. of the teams listed in the op.. i even added 4 on the back end.. now tell us, which half of the names listed would their teams love to trade for schaub..
Anyone not named Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning. The high draft rooks don't count. As always, it depends on the system as always but you would be lying to yourself if you don't think that these teams would perk their ears at a possible Schaub trade.

12 and 3!

The Schaub hate here is super strong.
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Of all starting quarterbacks, I would honestly take any of the below over Schaub in a heartbeat at this point in their respective careers. Can you guys really argue Schaub over any of these guys?

None of our 12 wins stand out at all. @ Denver while they were adjusting early on. Baltimore has proven to be not as good as advertised. Same with Chicago.
Schaub will NEVER be the leader this team needs in primetime and when games matter most. If this team gets down by 2+ scores, we're fuc*ed... All of our wins come from defensive forced turnovers and scores or Arian Foster playing very well to where any QB could come in with a playaction call.

Back to that list:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Andrew Luck
Tony Romo (pains me to even say this, but I would because he at least tries to make plays and can make plays with feet and arm)
Eli Manning
RG III
Jay Cutler (similar to Romo... at least he tries to make plays and can with feet and arm)
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill
If the purpose of the thread is to compare QBs cool as we have done that before. However, if you want to replace Schaub as you indicate, would you not need to suggest QBs you can get? You seem to be saying you don't like your wife and you are comparing her to other guys wives that you cannot have. Eliminate them and those single women that don't want you. Basically you have to choose other teams' rejects, those that will soon be on the market as their husbands will no longer support their "high maintenance" or young sweet things coming out of school that may go with you as they have no other choice (draft).
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Anyone not named Rodgers, Brady, or P. Manning. The high draft rooks don't count. As always, it depends on the system as always but you would be lying to yourself if you don't think that these teams would perk their ears at a possible Schaub trade.

12 and 3!

The Schaub hate here is super strong.
youre a delusional homer.. just like everyone else who blindly suppports schaub you have to make so many factors to aid your case for him..

but ok lets have it your way, lets eliminate rodgers, brady, manning, and high draft rooks...

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now answer the question.. which half of those teams would jump at the chance to have schaub over the guys listed...
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but ok lets have it your way, lets eliminate rodgers, brady, manning, and high draft rooks...



now answer the question.. which half of those teams would jump at the chance to have schaub over the guys listed...
ALL of them. Schaub would have them shaking in their boots during training camp if he was brought in for competition.
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youre a delusional homer.. just like everyone else who blindly suppports schaub you have to make so many factors to aid your case for him..

but ok lets have it your way, lets eliminate rodgers, brady, manning, and high draft rooks...



now answer the question.. which half of those teams would jump at the chance to have schaub over the guys listed...
To be realistic you should look at the system QBs play in. Many of the teams represented by QBs you name chose those QBs for their system as Kubiak did with Matt.
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ALL of them. Schaub would give them all a run for their money.
pure fkn comedy.. shiit wreaks of a rah-rah cheerleader attitude. GAO TEXERNS. 12 AMD 3 RAHRAH STUPERBOAL BEBE!!!!!1
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ALL of them. Schaub would have them shaking in their boots during training camp if he was brought in for competition.
delusion confirmed.
drew brees will be sjaking in his boots if schaub was brought in nola to compete for qb.


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drew brees will be sjaking in his boots if schaub was brought in nola to compete for qb.


Heh heh heh. I missed Brees... but for real... all of the rest.
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pure fkn comedy.. shiit wreaks of a rah-rah cheerleader attitude. GAO TEXERNS. 12 AMD 3 RAHRAH STUPERBOAL BEBE!!!!!1
No. It's called trust. I trust in Schaub to get the job done. All of you are tired of him throwing the ball away. Me? I'm like... what? Did you want him to be sacked instead?

I do NOT trust Kubiak as much as I trust Schaub.
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I mean...nitro my man...can't go with ya on this one..i mean Jay Cutler & Phillip Rivers & Flacco............... maybe...but the rest.....nah.
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youre a delusional homer.. just like everyone else who blindly suppports schaub you have to make so many factors to aid your case for him..

but ok lets have it your way, lets eliminate rodgers, brady, manning, and high draft rooks...



now answer the question.. which half of those teams would jump at the chance to have schaub over the guys listed...
Why are you feeding the troll dude? I would and no doubt any other sane person would take half those QBs on that list. Big Ben, Stafford, Ryan, E. Manning, and I think even Tony Romo would be an upgrade over Schaub.
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youre a delusional homer.. just like everyone else who blindly suppports schaub you have to make so many factors to aid your case for him..

but ok lets have it your way, lets eliminate rodgers, brady, manning, and high draft rooks...



now answer the question.. which half of those teams would jump at the chance to have schaub over the guys listed...
Based on what I have seen this last half of the season??? NONE of those teams want him.

No mobility, inability to create plays where there might be a breakdown with the original play, and too many streaky games where he just flat out disappears.

MAYBE the Raiders would be a good fit with Greg Knapp there to bring him along. Since Knapp was here in Houston and had a lot of coaching of Schaub while he was here.

Maybe the Cardinals.

But no team who is worth a ****.

The guy has cratered. I frankly have zero confidence in him. He'll likely pull out all the stops in the last game, the team will win, everything will look fine......then in the playoffs he'll piss it away.

I'm not wondering how, I'm just wondering WHEN.
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