We have a backup quarterback being coached by a backup quarterback

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

I agree.

Time to run what you brung....

Shaub is what he is but he does do some good, I think some folks are acting as if he is Gabbert or something. Shaub has his short comings for sure, but the OL and playcallling have been underwhelming as of late. We should have run somemscreens to slow down the Vikings DL. Kubiak is either holding back, or has lost his touch on offense.

No doubt we are going to run with it this year AND next. Unless we win teh Super Bowl this year or Schaub suddenly starts lighting it up we need to start looking for his eventual replacement.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Norg

pretty much all thoes QB;s wont be avabile

the draft clas and F/a class next year kinda sucks so right now we only hvae 3 qb's right now

Matt yates and keenum better like one of thoes 3 because thats all ur going to see right now

So you think there are no better prospects in the draft/FA than Keenam or Yates or Schaub?

[Norg]

Originally Posted by mussop

So you think there are no better prospects in the draft/FA than Keenam or Yates or Schaub?

not in the 3rd and 4th rounds its kinda a gamble or wash this year and thoes rounds with qb's

but we might draft a QB in the draft next year but it prob wont be in the 1st and 2nd

and thats not really gonna help our team it will be another project

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by mussop

Ok you dirty little squirrel you. Show one post that suggest we need to replace Schaub with a "FRANCHISE" QB. You can't! No one thinks we're going to just be able to replace Sloth Schaub over night with a "FRANCHISE" QB.

We just want someone better than Schaub. That is no where near as hard as finding a "FRANCHISE" QB.

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

[Rey]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Funny how fast everyone forgets Schaubs 2008 thru 2010 seasons. When we had one of the top passing teams in the league but no defense to back it up.

John kitna had a few seasons where he passed for a bunch of yards too.

I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of mediocre qb's that have passed for a lot of yards.

And the 17-3 stat is misleading. The team overall has gotten better. The qb is the same, maybe less mobile. What was his record the years prior?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

Does anyone else smell that? Smells like poo!

next step up from good is ready, ready, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Above average with a hint of mobility.

[GP]

LOL.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Lol, Most everyone here agrees that schaub is a "good" qb... so if you're looking for someone better than him and you want to upgrade from good..what would you call the next step up from good?

Great?

Elite?

Franchise altering?

Those are terms that all pretty much mean the same thing nitwit!

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Rey

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

GREAT POST REY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSR

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by mussop

Does anyone else smell that? Smells like poo!

next step up from good is ready, ready, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Above average with a hint of mobility.

Asinine post..if your good you're already above average.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Funny how fast everyone forgets Schaubs 2008 thru 2010 seasons. When we had one of the top passing teams in the league but no defense to back it up. Has schaub looked bad (as of late) hell yeah he has, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. What is he like 17-3 in his last 20 starts ? Give me a break

There's more to the story than it being just schaub who isn't playing well.

Our fan base is filled with irrational fans that change their views every week. Just a few weeks ago Schaub was thought of as a great player to have on this team and people said this team was SB bound. Two losses later, Schaub is thought of as a back up despite the fact that any smart football fan couldn't name 5 QB's in the AFC that have been better then Schaub over the last few years. It doesn't matter that the O line has been atrocious in certain games and it doesn't matter that the running game hasn't done anything. It's all on Schaub, but that's how our fan base views things. Schaub isn't mobile, so everything gets blamed on him. The bottom line is that these fans that go nuts because Schaub isn't mobile weren't saying jack about this several years ago and many acted like he was a great QB. But anyone who constantly complains about Schaub not being mobile now is pretty stinking late to complain about it.

Where was the complaining about that in season two with Schaub? He didn't become non mobile over night. He has always been that way, and if he doesn't get protection he has always been ineffective. The people that see that as a problem now sound silly, because this has been an issue for years, and yet Schaub wasn't a problem then. But for some reason now Schaub is this awful QB because he isn't mobile when the Texans are 12-3. If you go back to last season before Schaub got hurt his record as a starter would have been like 18-3 or something like that. But yeah, he's a back up. Lol! So if that is the case, you'd think we could just plug anyone in here as a starter since our team is so great that we can just start a back up like Schaub and have such a good record. Funny though, because right now I see a problem with our run blocking, our pass blocking, and our WR's ability to make plays other then AJ But the only problem that these irrational fans see is Schaub. Lol!

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by Rey

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

Lot of good romo's extra play making ability did him against the saints this past week....chicago before that. Like i've been saying, there are pros and cons with every qb in this league outside of the top 5.

You'd love romo's mobility and strong arm until you've had enough of him running around trying to extend plays only to gets blind-sided by a defensive player, fumbles and the other team picks up and scores off it or he throws it and it gets picked........when he could've just thrown it away and lived to play another down. That kinda crap has been wearing thin on cowboys fans for years.

You'd love jay cutler's strong arm and mobility until you get tired of him making the same bone-headed throws into double and triple coverage every week and he's throwing 2-3 ints a game..when he could've just thrown it away and lived to fight another down...and then he comes to the sideline pouting and throwing guys under the bus.

And oh, You'd love alex smith strong arm and mobility until you get tired of seeing him go paralysis by analysis in the pocket, he gets sacked in the pocket and fumbles the ball...when he could've just thrown it away or run outta there and slid down.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Rey

See, this is where the disconnect is.

Schaub would make a really good back up qb. Not going to take a lot of risk, not going to do anything crazy, knows what he's doing, pretty accurate with his feet set. If your starter gets hurt you aren't worried to death because you have a back up qb that can come in and do good things.....BUT, he's not a play maker. Third and longs get a lot harder...redozone offense isn't the same...you don't feel as good about how the offense will do in crunch time...

The reason people want a guy like romo over schaub is because he can make plays schaub can't. Thats it.

Decision making and all that stuff is somewhat coachable. Being mobile, having a better arm, evading defenders in the pocket, consistently being able to zip passes...you can do it or you can't...and Matt schaub can't. He never will be able to. This is his ceiling.

I think people want to see what kubiak and this offense could do with a guy with those skills. Last year we saw a glimpse of it with a fifth round rookie. And despite what everyone says, he did ok for himself.

The question is not who is better than schaub, it's who can we find with Yates like tools, but a better player.

I think if you take a guy like romo or cutler in this offense they'd do better than schaub. They have better tools. Their decisions might be more risky, but it's a trade off and you hope/think that the overall results would be better.


If you put all the qb's in the NFL in a draft and you are picking, schaub is not going in the top 15. Depending on who is picking, maybe not top 20... He'd be a starter for someone, but I almost guarantee they'd be looking for a young back up with better tools to groom.

Who are these people that would want Romo over Schaub?? Any spare me with the people in here who have trashed Romo for years that would maybe say that now, because they wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago. Romo was throwing INT's earlier this season like they were hot cakes. Romo has been streaky throughout his entire career. I've always thought Romo was pretty good though and a QB that you can win with if you surround him with a ton of great players at other positions and don't expect Romo to carry the team or to win games for you a lot. If you do, then Romo will fail like he always has. He is just like Schaub in that regard. But to suggest that he somehow better is pretty silly when their numbers from year to year have been pretty even. And Romo has gotten a lot more criticism then Schaub has in his career as well. The majority of people on this site have trashed Romo. A lot of it has to do with him being a Cowboy probably, but it'sbeen the case none the less.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Our fan base is filled with irrational fans that change their views every week. Just a few weeks ago Schaub was thought of as a great player to have on this team and people said this team was SB bound. Two losses later, Schaub is thought of as a back up despite the fact that any smart football fan couldn't name 5 QB's in the AFC that have been better then Schaub over the last few years. It doesn't matter that the O line has been atrocious in certain games and it doesn't matter that the running game hasn't done anything. It's all on Schaub, but that's how our fan base views things. Schaub isn't mobile, so everything gets blamed on him. The bottom line is that these fans that go nuts because Schaub isn't mobile weren't saying jack about this several years ago and many acted like he was a great QB. But anyone who constantly complains about Schaub not being mobile now is pretty stinking late to complain about it.

Where was the complaining about that in season two with Schaub? He didn't become non mobile over night. He has always been that way, and if he doesn't get protection he has always been ineffective. The people that see that as a problem now sound silly, because this has been an issue for years, and yet Schaub wasn't a problem then. But for some reason now Schaub is this awful QB because he isn't mobile when the Texans are 12-3. If you go back to last season before Schaub got hurt his record as a starter would have been like 18-3 or something like that. But yeah, he's a back up. Lol! So if that is the case, you'd think we could just plug anyone in here as a starter since our team is so great that we can just start a back up like Schaub and have such a good record. Funny though, because right now I see a problem with our run blocking, our pass blocking, and our WR's ability to make plays other then AJ But the only problem that these irrational fans see is Schaub. Lol!

Thats because when other things break down the QB needs to be able to make plays. If he can't (and Schaub can't) then he's probably not the QB to lead your team to the Super Bowl. Thats the plan right? Go to the Super Bowl?

[Thorn]

Elite coaches are like elite QBs, there are just so very very few of them, and we haven't got either. That's also the case with most teams in the NFL, we aren't anything special, on either the good or bad side.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by mussop

Thats because when other things break down the QB needs to be able to make plays. If he can't (and Schaub can't) then he's probably not the QB to lead your team to the Super Bowl. Thats the plan right? Go to the Super Bowl?

I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Lot of good romo's extra play making ability did him against the saints this past week....chicago before that. Like i've been saying, there are pros and cons with every qb in this league outside of the top 5.

You'd love romo's mobility and strong arm until you've had enough of him running around trying to extend plays only to gets blind-sided by a defensive player, fumbles and the other team picks up and scores off it or he throws it and it gets picked........when he could've just thrown it away and lived to play another down. That kinda crap has been wearing thin on cowboys fans for years.

You'd love jay cutler's strong arm and mobility until you get tired of him making the same bone-headed throws into double and triple coverage every week and he's throwing 2-3 ints a game..when he could've just thrown it away and lived to fight another down...and then he comes to the sideline pouting and throwing guys under the bus.

And oh, You'd love alex smith strong arm and mobility until you get tired of seeing him go paralysis by analysis in the pocket, he gets sacked in the pocket and fumbles the ball...when he could've just thrown it away or run outta there and slid down.

Yeah, I pretty much answered everything here in the post you quoted.

[Hookem Horns]

To me QBs are measured in the clutch and in the playoffs. Schaub has never played in a playoff game so the jury is still out.

However if the last game which was not a playoff game but a game to lock up home field was any indication of how he will perform in the playoffs then yeah, we are in deep trouble.

Not a fan of Kubiak however name one great QB that went on to be a good coach. Both Harbaugh brothers were basically backups and not quality starters when they were starting.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by klockWork

You think teams in the playoff care about a QB with 17-3 record with zero playoff games?
The Texans are like that big kid that bully everyone at the beginning of the school year. Then words got out that bully got punked in gym class. Then later it happen again during band practice. And again while getting off the school bus. Now prom is coming up. Someone there is gonna make a statement to that punk kid by dumping a big bowl of fruit punch over his head.

That's where I stand with the Texans. When playoff comes it could get embarrassing and pathetic.

Don't really care what other teams think, fact is we don't know how schaub will play in the play offs. For all any of us know he might take it to a whole other level and be supwebowl MVP. As of now how he will perform is all opinion and nothing more.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I keep wondering how long you've watched football with this consistent cries and screams about needing a mobile QB. Do you not know who Manning and Brady are?? They aren't mobile, and I've seen both of them play like crap when their Oline doesn't protect them over the years. The difference is that they get better protection more often then not, and of course they're better, but non mobile QB's have been successful in this league for decades, so stop with this bull**** about how we have to have a mobile QB or we have no chance. Where was all of this stuff about Schaub in week 9? Week 10? Why aren't you flying off the handle and blasting Matt Ryan?? He isn't really mobile either, but yet his team has the best record in the league now. It hasn't taken a mobile QB for them to be successful and it hasn't for the Texans this year either. But if you don't protect a non mobile QB who isn't athletic, then most likely your offense will struggle.

And another question. Do you have any idea at how our offense works?? Our offense comes and goes with the running game? If it isn't successful, our play action doesn't work so well either. Have you not seen the numbers of our running game over the last few weeks?? Why the hell aren't you complaining about our Olineman?? If they don't do their jobs to open holes iin the running game our passing game becomes a lot more predictable. That is Kubiak's offense. It is limited if our running game isn't effective, because Kubiak loves the play action and the bootlegs. It all starts up front not only for Schaub's effectiveness, but for Foster's effectiveness as well. Do yo want Foster out of here now as well since he isn't killing teams every week now? Should we can Foster?? You have to understand our offense and how it works before you can identify the issues with it, and from all of your posts I'm having a hard time feeling like you understand the structure and the design of what makes this offense successful.

Also Manning and Brady can dissect a defense in less than 3seconds. They make the line better that what they are

Yep after Schaub threw for 500 + no one was posting