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Old 12-16-2012   #61
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This is bull.... the defense started slow, that was their only problem. From the second qtr on, they held their own, dominated most of that time.
What I saw looked like us being dominated. What was the score again?
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What I saw looked like us being dominated. What was the score again?
The offense was dominated through & through. Wade made his adjustments, our "man defense" shut Brady down quite a bit. 3 three & outs to end the first half. They stopped them from scoring on 2 of 3 of their 3rd qtr possessions.

If the offense was doing their thing & just performed to their average throughout the season, that would have been a good enough performance from the defense to win that game.

Look, for 3 weeks we've been crying about our defense & how poor they looked even though we won.

We lost, no doubt, but the defense played very well against the best offense in the league & I think they should get credit for it. The defense is getting healthy & they're turning it around.

They gave up a lot of points... I understand how that helps your point. But again, that is more about the poor performance of our offense against the 26th ranked defense.

The Patriots had something like 12 (maybe more) possessions in that game. There's no way we were ever going to win a game against the Patriots at that pace. Most of us knew going in that we were going to have to play Gary-ball to have a chance. But that didn't happen either. The only reason the TOP looks close, is because the Pats scored so quick & we had 12+ possessions.
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The offense was dominated through & through. Wade made his adjustments, our "man defense" shut Brady down quite a bit. 3 three & outs to end the first half. They stopped them from scoring on 2 of 3 of their 3rd qtr possessions.

If the offense was doing their thing & just performed to their average throughout the season, that would have been a good enough performance from the defense to win that game.

Look, for 3 weeks we've been crying about our defense & how poor they looked even though we won.

We lost, no doubt, but the defense played very well against the best offense in the league & I think they should get credit for it. The defense is getting healthy & they're turning it around.

They gave up a lot of points... I understand how that helps your point. But again, that is more about the poor performance of our offense against the 26th ranked defense.

The Patriots had something like 12 (maybe more) possessions in that game. There's no way we were ever going to win a game against the Patriots at that pace. Most of us knew going in that we were going to have to play Gary-ball to have a chance. But that didn't happen either. The only reason the TOP looks close, is because the Pats scored so quick & we had 12+ possessions.
Some good points here, but we've been giving up big plays we weren't earlier in the season. Ultimately it makes no difference if the D looks good for 5 out of 6 plays on a drive. All it takes is the one play to give up points. Going into the offseason what do you think the defenses priority addition should be?
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Some good points here, but we've been giving up big plays we weren't earlier in the season. Ultimately it makes no difference if the D looks good for 5 out of 6 plays on a drive. All it takes is the one play to give up points. Going into the offseason what do you think the defenses priority addition should be?
Like I said, we're getting healthy. We had new defensive starters every week, either to start the game, or before the game was over. As I said before, we won those games, expecting them to look as good as they always have, is unreasonable until we get this health thing to settle down.

Now, I think we've reached that point.

We'll see.
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The offense was dominated through & through. Wade made his adjustments, our "man defense" shut Brady down quite a bit. 3 three & outs to end the first half. They stopped them from scoring on 2 of 3 of their 3rd qtr possessions.

If the offense was doing their thing & just performed to their average throughout the season, that would have been a good enough performance from the defense to win that game.

Look, for 3 weeks we've been crying about our defense & how poor they looked even though we won.

We lost, no doubt, but the defense played very well against the best offense in the league & I think they should get credit for it. The defense is getting healthy & they're turning it around.

They gave up a lot of points... I understand how that helps your point. But again, that is more about the poor performance of our offense against the 26th ranked defense.

The Patriots had something like 12 (maybe more) possessions in that game. There's no way we were ever going to win a game against the Patriots at that pace. Most of us knew going in that we were going to have to play Gary-ball to have a chance. But that didn't happen either. The only reason the TOP looks close, is because the Pats scored so quick & we had 12+ possessions.
What was the score again? You can ignore the fact that they gave up a zillion yards and points the last few games just because they strung together a few stops against Brady when NE had a huge lead if you want to. Don't expect reasonable people to do it with you.
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What was the score again? You can ignore the fact that they gave up a zillion yards and points the last few games just because they strung together a few stops against Brady when NE had a huge lead if you want to. Don't expect reasonable people to do it with you.
"They" is not our defense. "They" just happened to be the guys we had left. "They" got us stops when they needed & we won those games despite giving up points & yards.

Ignore it? That's absurd, I'm not asking anyone to ignore anything. Put it in perspective.... that's all I'm saying.

If we had started the year thinking the main players would be Barwin, Merci, & Braman at OLB, Sharpton & Dobbins at ILB, Kj, Quin, Manning, Harris, & Roc Carmichael at DB, then they deserve all the criticism they're getting.

But that's not the case. We're having to deal with injuries, just like everybody else & winning games against Detroit & Jacksonville is more important than looking good doing it.

I'm hoping the injury thing has slowed down for our defense & the guys who are starting now will be our starters for the next 6 weeks. If that's the case, then 4 three & outs, 5 stops against the #1 offense in the league looks promising.

I'm looking to the future, not ignoring the past.
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Blah our defense is terrible at all levels minus Watt.

Seriously how the hell will we stop AP next week?
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Blah our defense is terrible at all levels minus Watt.

Seriously how the hell will we stop AP next week?
Don't need to stop AD, just need to win the game.
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Don't need to stop AD, just need to win the game.
LOL they way our offense is plying, if we don't stop AP we won't be able to match his production...
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There are several reasons as to why bump and run do not work as much as one would think.

The defense is showing its hand, since it's impossible to switch to zone.
Before the defenders can find their landmark, some receiver would already found the soft spot in the zone.

There Are pass patterns and schemes to beat bump and run like the switch routes, the bunch formation, receiver and TE screens, etc.
Basically, one or two receivers in the offensive formation can easily set screen(s) for another receiver to get free easily.

And of course, if the receiver beats the bump in one-and-one, it's usually a long gain.
I realize that but it would have been nice to see him move them up every now and then sporadically to mess with the timing issue. Just a thought.
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I realize that but it would have been nice to see him move them up every now and then sporadically to mess with the timing issue. Just a thought.
We do, every now and then.

ALso, normally, there's only one receiver and one TE (or two receivers) on the line; the others are further back.

You can't bump them efficiently as if they are right up there on the line.

Things are always easier said than done.
Grass is always greener on the other side.
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We do, every now and then.

ALso, normally, there's only one receiver and one TE (or two receivers) on the line; the others are further back.

You can't bump them efficiently as if they are right up there on the line.

Things are always easier said than done.
Grass is always greener on the other side.
The easiest way to deal with this is not to try making your grass greener; it is to do something to ruin everyone else's.
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The easiest way to deal with this is not to try making your grass greener; it is to do something to ruin everyone else's.
Your grass can be greener when you don't commit too many unforced mistakes.

BTW, you don't see our receivers got jammed much.

The last time a guy tried to do that a bit too often, he got beat the F out his name, LOL.

I need that gif please.
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Your grass can be greener when you don't commit too many unforced mistakes.

BTW, you don't see our receivers got jammed much.

The last time a guy tried to do that a bit too often, he got beat the F out his name, LOL.

I need that gif please.
I just got a laugh out of picturing myself pouring gasoline on all my neighbor's yards.

I don't even have a yard.
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I just got a laugh out of picturing myself pouring gasoline on all my neighbor's yards.

I don't even have a yard.
Oh no, you're the neighbor on my left !
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