WTF is going on with Foster?

[76Texan]

On the other hand, I apologize for pressing the matter too much here and there.
Sent a PM to Vinny, too!

I really don't want these discussions to become those in the no-spin zone or like those in political matters.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Stats are great but last season Foster was a game changer, he could take over a game. He would run through, over and around people on his way to big yardage. This season even when he hits a hole all it takes is one arm to bring him down. Not 2010 and 2011 Foster but this foster just lookes weaker/less inspired. Could it be the big contract has made him quit being so hard on himself ? I dunno but he needs to fix it.

You still did not answer my questions.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

You still did not answer my questions.

Oh i agree that the line has went way down and the blocking along with it, BUT i doubt Berry Sanders had an all pro line there in detroit all them years.

Sure the blocking isnt as good but still shouldnt see this big of a drop off IMO.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Oh i agree that the line has went way down and the blocking along with it, BUT i doubt Berry Sanders had an all pro line there in detroit all them years.

Sure the blocking isnt as good but still shouldnt see this big of a drop off IMO.

So Foster with 6 yards more per game is a beast?

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

So Foster with 6 yards more per game is a beast?

Fosters career still young compared to Sanders.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Fosters career still young compared to Sanders.

But I'm not even comparing them.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

But I'm not even comparing them.

u missed my whole point, u are blaming the changes on the oline, i think a good back can adjust, so i was curious as to what kind of line sanders had cause the lions sucked his whole career there.

[76Texan]

Man, if you go back and watch at least the Pats game, and you tell me the line didn't cost him a lot of yards!

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Man, if you go back and watch at least the Pats game, and you tell me the line didn't cost him a lot of yards!

I agree the line isnt as good as it was, Thats the whole reason i was wondering about sanders o-line. They had to of had a lot of turnover on the line, not to mention they didnt run the Zone blocking scheme.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

u missed my whole point, u are blaming the changes on the oline, i think a good back can adjust, so i was curious as to what kind of line sanders had cause the lions sucked his whole career there.

Forget about Sanders, Ok.

You don't even have the freaking tapes to see what happened back then anywAy.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Forget about Sanders, Ok.

You don't even have the freaking tapes to see what happened back then anywAy.

Oh lord man my whole point is that good backs find a way regardless.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

I agree the line isnt as good as it was, Thats the whole reason i was wondering about sanders o-line. They had to of had a lot of turnover on the line, not to mention they didnt run the Zone blocking scheme.

Go to the Pats board and they can tell you what I'm talking about.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Go to the Pats board and they can tell you what I'm talking about.

i need to listen to other fans from the opposing board to "understand" what your talking about haha. whatever man

[EllisUnit]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/.../barry-sanders

Thats his regular season stats. He was on ALL crappy teams and i seriously doubt they had the best oline all the time hell if any of the time. My whole point is even if your team/oline is struggling good RBs still know how to turn it up and still be successful.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

i need to listen to other fans from the opposing board to "understand" what your talking about haha. whatever man

Why they had success about our running game.
They can give another perspective so you don't have to rely on mine.

They tell you about Vince Wilfork, and Ninkovick, and Jones, and their LBs winning the battles in the trench, OK.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

I agree the line isnt as good as it was, Thats the whole reason i was wondering about sanders o-line. They had to of had a lot of turnover on the line, not to mention they didnt run the Zone blocking scheme.

not a legit comparison. Sanders was a totally different kind of back than Foster. Sanders was a "human joystick" kind of back. He would hit the line and gain one or two yards, maybe even lose some, and then bust off a highlight reel run. NFL Films never shows those 1 and 2 yd runs; just the OMG highlight reel runs.

By contrast, Foster is more of a Marcus Allen type back. He follows his blockers, reads the defensive flow, and makes the best of what he sees with one cut. Hopefully, he'll make the one or two guys who have a decent shot at him miss or out run them.

Its the slipping down when he has a shot to make that last defender miss or outrun the defense that's been driving me crazy.

[Scooter]

i'm starting to follow the logic. even if the line opens lanes, if they're not overall as good as last year, foster wont be as good, that only makes sense. but we're not taking it far enough. the line would be playing better if kubiak had called the exactly correct play each time, obviously. but putting it on kubiak is too easy, the blame has to go to the man who hired kubiak, without whom we'd have a better coach. but why stop there? mcnair wouldnt even be in position to give us such futility if it werent for enron purchasing his energy company, thus we wouldnt be having this problem.

so there you have it, arian foster's problem this year? enron.



or he's having a down year individually.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

I agree the line isnt as good as it was, Thats the whole reason i was wondering about sanders o-line. They had to of had a lot of turnover on the line, not to mention they didnt run the Zone blocking scheme.

The Lions with Sanders were kind of unique. No they were not a dominant OL. But they went to a different set to accommodate Barry's style. They spread wider and trusted Barry to get to the edge or hit a gap.

Funny Barry being brought up in a yards after contact thread since he was not good at that.

I think a lot of what is going on with Foster this year is scheme. I see a lot more power and short stretch plays and I think he thrives in the extreme zone stretch plays. Even when we run those we are not getting as effective back side blocking this season which leaves the back having to follow the flow of the play instead of cutting back against the flow.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Scooter

i'm starting to follow the logic. even if the line opens lanes, if they're not overall as good as last year, foster wont be as good, that only makes sense. but we're not taking it far enough. the line would be playing better if kubiak had called the exactly correct play each time, obviously. but putting it on kubiak is too easy, the blame has to go to the man who hired kubiak, without whom we'd have a better coach. but why stop there? mcnair wouldnt even be in position to give us such futility if it werent for enron purchasing his energy company, thus we wouldnt be having this problem.

so there you have it, arian foster's problem this year? enron.



or he's having a down year individually.

We're talking about 6 yards per game.

But really, you still refuse to answer the question.

Can the line be responsible for 6 yards?

You're telling me that I'm shifting the blame, I'm not.
I put it squarely on the line.

If you put it on Foster, than you cannot shift it to the line, nor Kubiak.

Are you satisfied with the line play this year, yes or no.
It's as easy as that.

[midway]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Foster biggest strength is his ability to be patient behind his blocker. With the right side of the O line being atrocious as they are, his biggest strength has become his biggest weakness.

I couldn't agree with this more and I wish people would recognize how awful the right side of our line is.