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Old 12-13-2012   #101
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I'm confused how your statement proves that what I was saying was "not really true".

You can cherry pick plays all you want, but big picture players and coaches are a symbiotic relationship within a team concept. Not sure how you can even dispute that basic premise.
It's not true that it was total domination from start to finish.
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So you're saying we didn't have a chance?

I'm not buying that. That game may have went as bad as it could have gone, but even with Kubiak I think we could have won that game.

Do you think we don't have a chance if we re-match them in the AFCCG?

I do, regardless where it's at.
You can say that about any loss. Very rarely do teams come out and simply don't make a single play. There are usually only a handful of momentum changing moments in a game.

The way we got handled is about as definitive as a win gets in the NFL.

How much more convincing did you want the loss to be?

By NFL standards that was domination and no we didn't have a chance with how we played.
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Texans did not play man the entire night. You are right.

That said, we played mostly man early and did not change it up really until the game was out of hand.

There may have been a sprinkle of different types of coverage, but we did MOSTLY play man...But you are right that it wasn't ENTIRELY man...
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1. Second pass play.
Pats in trip formation left.
KJax let his man (most outside receiver) to the cover 2 safety and switched to the TE (innermost receiver or #3 receiver in the formation) who ran an out route underneath the #1, and #2.

2. Third pass play.
Another trip left formation, with the TE Hernandex flex to wide left.
KJ was on him but did not follow as Hernandez went into motion to the other side of the formation.
Quin was a cover 2 safety on the original weak side.
He now came down to play man on Hernandez with Manning as the single deep safety.
(The Texans switched their D call from zone to man).

3. First pass play on the Pats second drive.
Texans must be in switch man with a signal from JJo to KJax.
JJo was on the slot receiver (#2);
KJax was on the outside receiver (#1).
They switched assignment.

4. Third pass play of the series, JJo and KJax switched again, this time on the D left side.

5. Next play, KJax was on Hernandez who flex to the outside right.
Texans looked to be in cover 3 with KJax not following Hernandez on the square in route.

6. Next play, TD to Lloyd.
Pats in heavy 13 personnel; Lloyd was the only receiver.
He lined up to the right.
Texans looked to be in cover 3, with JJo lined up about the same level with the 2 safeties.
KJax was in the slot on the heavy side; he was on one the two TEs.
Again, that has to be zone.
JJo didn't follow Lloyd from the get-go; he looked to be playing in cover 3.

That was the ninth pass play for the Pats.

On the Pats first 9 pass plays, the Texans were in straight man only 4 times.
(Three man coverage and one coverage switch from zone to man.)
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It's not true that it was total domination from start to finish.

Yes it was.

How much worse could the game have gone for you to believe that we got dominated?

In all honesty, the pats dominated us longer than we did the ravens. We didn't score a damn point until the third quarter...

Think about that for a second.
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Oh lord people we got dominated and lost, ok so what move on. If u think we have no chance at a rematch in the play-offs then why bother even watching the play-offs ? Cause it will either come down to us vs pats or broncos.

We can beat every team in the NFL I have no doubt. We had a dud but the season isn't over.

Lord the way some of u act I swear or record must be 2-11 and I'm just dyslexic....
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We had a dud but the season isn't over.

Lord the way some of u act I swear or record must be 2-11 and I'm just dyslexic....
kubiak needs to game plan for the next pats game as if bellycheek has video of all the previous plays. then maybe we'll have a chance!

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Yes it was.

How much worse could the game have gone for you to believe that we got dominated?

In all honesty, the pats dominated us longer than we did the ravens. We didn't score a damn point until the third quarter...

Think about that for a second.

We got beat. We got blown out. But we weren't totally dominated the way the Kubiak haters would have you believe. Totally dominated means we couldn't move the ball. We moved the ball. Totally dominated means we had no answer for Brady, we handled Brady for a good portion of the game.

We forced four 3 & outs against Brady. We stopped them and got the ball back on another possession for a total of 5 possessions where they did not score.

That's not total domination. We dominated them on those possessions.

If the tables were turned & we went up on the Patriots 21 nothing then followed that with three 3 & outs, can you imagine what the Kubiak haters would be saying?

We got dominated at the beginning of the game. From 11:00 on, we held our own, didn't score. We can't take points of the board.

If we play the Patriots again & stop them from scoring on 4 of their possessions, I like our odds of winning that game.
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I don't think we can win a shoot out with the Patriots on our best day. That's just not who this team is.

We have to do whatever we can to slow it down & limit their possessions.

Down 21 to 0 with 11 minutes left in the 2nd Qtr, the right thing to do is run the ball.

Don't panic, do not play into their hands.



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No he ran the ball 3 straight time in the 3rd quarter, while it was 21 or 28 to 0, then punted.

Yeah I know it is beating a dead horse, but if he is gonna call out his team, which he has every right, about being aggressive and doing things "like the Patriots" shouldn't he too do the same before make such statements
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Gary called out their manhood. Great. Now we need someone to call out his manhood
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Gary called out their manhood. Great. Now we need someone to call out his manhood
Just because McNair didn't go to the chronicle saying he called out Kubiak's manhood doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

& keep in mind, this isn't Kubiak saying he called them out, this is the players saying he called them out & they were all good with it.
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Oh lord people we got dominated and lost, ok so what move on. If u think we have no chance at a rematch in the play-offs then why bother even watching the play-offs ? Cause it will either come down to us vs pats or broncos.

We can beat every team in the NFL I have no doubt. We had a dud but the season isn't over.

Lord the way some of u act I swear or record must be 2-11 and I'm just dyslexic....
I think people are already looking at that Patriots rematch, and thinking there's no way in hell Kubiak and Phillips are capable of avoiding what just happened with that team on MNF. And they're probably correct in their assumption.

So therefore, winning out and getting HFA (or not getting HFA and going to their house again) will only end in Houston losing. Again.

The conclusion then is this: We're screwed, and wouldn't be surprised if we can't even MAKE IT to the AFCC game vs. Patriots.

People are looking ahead and figuring that all of this stuff between now and then is just filler material. With the added burden of losing the AFC to the Colts, rendering our best season EVER completely pointless.

That's a tough pill to swallow when you look at it like that. No?

It is for me. I don't want to think the Colts keep winning and we find ways to lose, and we might not even get HFA. So many possibilities can happen, and based on what we've seen vs Packers and Patriots...how can we be confident that things work out for us?

This is a nervous time for a lot of people. Things could get ugly if the chips fall a certain way. It would literally be hell on earth if the worst case scenario happens. Screw how the Texans find ways to win OT games vs. Lions and Jags. Look how the COLTS win last-second games against a few of their opponents. Andrew Luck has nothing to lose and everything to gain...we, on the other hand, have a tremendous amount of pressure on us to beat his team and grab the AFCS crown.

Nothing but a playoff spot is secured. The AFC South crown is up for grabs. HFA is up for grabs. It's a helluva' time the rest of the way.
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Lol at the agendas surfacing in here again. Can't see how people have something negative to say about a HC calling his players out.....as if he's assuming no blame at all in the matter.

the game was a total dumpster fire from the HC all the way down to the 53rd man & i'm sure Kubiak knows it.

Meanwhile, Wade's being let off the hook even though his defense has gotten flat out smoked in our only losses in the season & his defense has shown signs of weaknesses for 4 out of 5 weaks.

The patriots are better than us for now...but i don't think they're 28-35 pts better than us that's for sure. i (as im sure the team) feel extremely confident that if we get them again.........it'll be a different game.

Sometimes an ass-whipping like this is just what the doctor ordered....It can serve as a motivating tool. If we see them again, i'm sure the players and coaches will have that curb-stomping firmly in their heads and will want to redeem themselves.
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So you're saying we didn't have a chance?
I never implied it. That's you trying to build a strawman.

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I'm not buying that. That game may have went as bad as it could have gone, but even with Kubiak I think we could have won that game.
Every team has a chance. Any given Sunday and all that jazz.

However, if I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the Patriots every single time until the Texan prove that they can beat a team like the Patriots on a big stage.

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Do you think we don't have a chance if we re-match them in the AFCCG?
Of course we have a chance. Any given Sunday.

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It's not true that it was total domination from start to finish.
Did we watch the same game?

Patriots dominate Texans in AFC showdown

Snap Judgments: Patriots dominate Texans in Monday night blowout

Patriots were dominant in all areas vs. Texans

Even the NFL got in on it if you check out their headlines on NFL Rewind. ("To re-live the Patriots' dominating victory over the Texans in high definition online, get NFL Game Rewind."

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Yes it was.

How much worse could the game have gone for you to believe that we got dominated?

In all honesty, the pats dominated us longer than we did the ravens. We didn't score a damn point until the third quarter...

Think about that for a second.
QFT. We never even got close in the game and certainly never held a lead.

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We got beat. We got blown out. But we weren't totally dominated the way the Kubiak haters would have you believe.
Give me a break. That's just silly. I don't "hate" Gary Kubiak. I'm just not going to call a tail a leg to make it a five legged dog.

Take your blinders off. Not everyone has an agenda or is a delusional homer about reality.

Our team got dominated. Accept, analyze, and move on.
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Lol at the agendas surfacing in here again. Can't see how people have something negative to say about a HC calling his players out.....as if he's assuming no blame at all in the matter.

the game was a total dumpster fire from the HC all the way down to the 53rd man & i'm sure Kubiak knows it.

Meanwhile, Wade's being let off the hook even though his defense has gotten flat out smoked in our only losses in the season & his defense has shown signs of weaknesses for 4 out of 5 weaks.

The patriots are better than us for now...but i don't think they're 28-35 pts better than us that's for sure. i (as im sure the team) feel extremely confident that if we get them again.........it'll be a different game.

Sometimes an ass-whipping like this is just what the doctor ordered....It can serve as a motivating tool. If we see them again, i'm sure the players and coaches will have that curb-stomping firmly in their heads and will want to redeem themselves.
Repped!! All this thread is about is fans fear and trying to pile on Kubiak.
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We got beat. We got blown out. But we weren't totally dominated the way the Kubiak haters would have you believe. Totally dominated means we couldn't move the ball. We moved the ball. Totally dominated means we had no answer for Brady, we handled Brady for a good portion of the game.

We forced four 3 & outs against Brady. We stopped them and got the ball back on another possession for a total of 5 possessions where they did not score.

That's not total domination.
LMAO! OK, I'll concede this - if you define domination in this narrow, weird way that only you and a few other deluded souls believe, then you are correct, the Texans did not get dominated. If you take the generally accepted, widespread concept of dominance that ESPN, NFLN, FOX, NBC, everyone in the world but you and those few deluded souls accept, then it's pretty clear the Texans got dominated. So don't read any articles, watch TV, or listen to the radio, because 99.99% of everyone is going to have a different version of dominance than you do. Wouldn't want that delusion to come crashing down.
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So getting three back to back 3 & outs is getting dominated?

They were dominate at points in the game. They did not dominate us for 60 minutes, that's all I'm saying.

Can't take points off the board, I understand that. Our D got dominated through the first quarter. From then on, it was no such thing.
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Great read and I couldn't agree more. The team needs to look at themselves and decide, are they a champion or not?

BUT I will say Gary better turn that mirror on himself and ask, do I have what it takes to step on opponents throats like Double B? Because his lacking personality does have a way with the players and as much as I like the players enjoying their time winning, 14-2 means nothing without a Lombardi trophy in our empty trophy case.....
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