Kubiak calls out players manhood

[BullNation4Life]

Sooo is Kubiak the kettle or the pot?

Being down 21 and running the ball 3 times and punting, that is the definition of "manning up"

Being up by 17/20 in the 3rd quarter and pulling your foot off the gas so the other team can make a run in the 4th is "manning up"

Guess Kubiak is using the same motto my mother use to tell me...

"Do as I say, not as I do..."

His words are pretty much just and no action....

[RCPM]

Originally Posted by BullNation4Life

Sooo is Kubiak the kettle or the pot?

Being down 21 and running the ball 3 times and punting, that is the definition of "manning up"

Being up by 17/20 in the 3rd quarter and pulling your foot off the gas so the other team can make a run in the 4th is "manning up"

Guess Kubiak is using the same motto my mother use to tell me...

"Do as I say, not as I do..."

His words are pretty much just and no action....

This! ^^^^^^^

[Double Barrel]

Players and coaches are a symbiotic relationship within the team concept. They are equally to blame in a butt kickin' like last Monday. This game did not come down to one play. It was dominance from the first kickoff forward, and that is a reflection on EVERYONE within this organization.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Players and coaches are a symbiotic relationship within the team concept. They are equally to blame in a butt kickin' like last Monday. This game did not come down to one play. It was dominance from the first kickoff forward, and that is a reflection on EVERYONE within this organization.

Texans out-coached, out-schemed, out-talented (both sides of the ball) by the Pats. Lots of holes to patch to be where the Giants and Pats stand. Both of those teams can elevate their games in ways the Texans can't. Schaub has a game much like Ty Detmer. If Ty had more size he would be Matt Schaub. Kubiak is a great OC but I think he gets out-coached at times. Wade doesn't have the players to stick to man coverage against elite QB's. That was a predictable result if you don't mix up your coverages.

[Yankee_In_TX]

Originally Posted by Señor Stan

Will Kubiak look to be more Patriot like in the way he calls this Sundays game?

I think there were more people with lessons to be learned than just the players...

Rep, that's what I was thinking. The players got served, but wow @ lack of in game coaching adjustments.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Texans out-coached, out-schemed, out-talented (both sides of the ball) by the Pats. Lots of holes to patch to be where the Giants and Pats stand. Both of those teams can elevate their games in ways the Texans can't. Schaub has a game much like Ty Detmer. If Ty had more size he would be Matt Schaub. Kubiak is a great OC but I think he gets out-coached at times. Wade doesn't have the players to stick to man coverage against elite QB's. That was a predictable result if you don't mix up your coverages.

We did mix in some zone coverage as well as switched man instead of straight man.

The D got burned because they messed up in coverage.

Again, outplayed or ill-prepared.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Texans out-coached, out-schemed, out-talented (both sides of the ball) by the Pats. Lots of holes to patch to be where the Giants and Pats stand. Both of those teams can elevate their games in ways the Texans can't. Schaub has a game much like Ty Detmer. If Ty had more size he would be Matt Schaub. Kubiak is a great OC but I think he gets out-coached at times. Wade doesn't have the players to stick to man coverage against elite QB's. That was a predictable result if you don't mix up your coverages.

yep, I agree completely. The Texans have always taken "baby steps" with progress. But overcoming the inability to play up to the level of elite QBs in prime time is going to take a leap. To be honest, I do not have full confidence that Kubiak is the head coach to make that jump.

I tried to be pragmatic last week about this game, but Texans fans were drunk on 11-1 koolaide and did not want to hear it. I'm not a fortune teller, but as a big fan of the NFL, some things are just as predicable as the sun coming up in the morning.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

We did mix in some zone coverage as well as switched man instead of straight man.

The D got burned because they messed up in coverage.

Again, outplayed or ill-prepared.

Watching Sharpton and Barwin get schooled in man coverage near the goal line and for easy first downs was pitiful. A HS coach can tell that Barwin can't hold up in man and Sharpton....ugh, he's Jay Foreman.

[qqert]

Originally Posted by BullNation4Life

Sooo is Kubiak the kettle or the pot?

Being down 21 and running the ball 3 times and punting, that is the definition of "manning up"
....

finally someone gets it. thank you!
the defense gave up so many points because the offensive play calling was... offensive!

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

We did mix in some zone coverage as well as switched man instead of straight man.

The D got burned because they messed up in coverage.

Again, outplayed or ill-prepared.

I think it was LZ talking about it, but they were saying the Texans played man the entire night. Wade doesn't do much zone with a banged up secondary that has been patched together.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Watching Sharpton and Barwin get schooled in man coverage near the goal line and for easy first downs was pitiful. A HS coach can tell that Barwin can't hold up in man and Sharpton....ugh, he's Jay Foreman.

I don't think Sharpton was the main culprit.

Bradie James allowed the TD to Hernandez.

On the other one, Manning and Sharton were unsure which one was going out to the sideline. It was ill-preparedness by the coaches when the players didn't know their assignment on a certain D-call.

It could be also be said that the players failed because they didn't know their assignment.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I think it was LZ talking about it, but they were saying the Texans played man the entire night. Wade doesn't do much zone with a banged up secondary that has been patched together.

I just brought up an example about Sharpton and Manning.
If it was straight man, there would not have been a mix up there.

[Vinny]

oh yeah, James and Dobbins can't cover either. Don't want to forget those guys.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I just brought up an example about Sharpton and Manning.
If it was straight man, there would not have been a mix up there.

Texans did not play man the entire night. You are right.

That said, we played mostly man early and did not change it up really until the game was out of hand.

There may have been a sprinkle of different types of coverage, but we did MOSTLY play man...But you are right that it wasn't ENTIRELY man...

[CretorFrigg]

Originally Posted by Vinny

oh yeah, James and Dobbins can't cover either. Don't want to forget those guys.

It doesn't help when Bradie James has the same 40 time as Vince Wilfork.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by CretorFrigg

It doesn't help when Bradie James has the same 40 time as Vince Wilfork.

I'm not sure James is much faster than Dan Pastorini.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by BullNation4Life

Sooo is Kubiak the kettle or the pot?

Being down 21 and running the ball 3 times and punting, that is the definition of "manning up"

I don't think we can win a shoot out with the Patriots on our best day. That's just not who this team is.

We have to do whatever we can to slow it down & limit their possessions.

Down 21 to 0 with 11 minutes left in the 2nd Qtr, the right thing to do is run the ball.

Don't panic, do not play into their hands.

Originally Posted by BullNation4Life

Being up by 17/20 in the 3rd quarter and pulling your foot off the gas so the other team can make a run in the 4th is "manning up"

Guess Kubiak is using the same motto my mother use to tell me...

"Do as I say, not as I do..."

His words are pretty much just and no action....

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[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Players and coaches are a symbiotic relationship within the team concept. They are equally to blame in a butt kickin' like last Monday. This game did not come down to one play. It was dominance from the first kickoff forward, and that is a reflection on EVERYONE within this organization.

Not really true. We ripped off 27 rushing yards on the first two plays. We actually stopped the Patriots on their first drive & that 3rd & 6 PI doesn't get called most of the time. We then marched down the field with a chance to score before the interception.

We got the Patriots of the field 5 times without a score from the 12 minutes remaining in the 2nd Qtr to the midway through the third Qtr.

This game was not as one sided as the score indicates.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Not really true. We ripped off 27 rushing yards on the first two plays. We actually stopped the Patriots on their first drive & that 3rd & 6 PI doesn't get called most of the time. We then marched down the field with a chance to score before the interception.

We got the Patriots of the field 5 times without a score from the 12 minutes remaining in the 2nd Qtr to the midway through the third Qtr.

This game was not as one sided as the score indicates.

I'm confused how your statement proves that what I was saying was "not really true".

You can cherry pick plays all you want, but big picture players and coaches are a symbiotic relationship within a team concept. Not sure how you can even dispute that basic premise.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I tried to be pragmatic last week about this game, but Texans fans were drunk on 11-1 koolaide and did not want to hear it. I'm not a fortune teller, but as a big fan of the NFL, some things are just as predicable as the sun coming up in the morning.

So you're saying we didn't have a chance?

I'm not buying that. That game may have went as bad as it could have gone, but even with Kubiak I think we could have won that game.

Do you think we don't have a chance if we re-match them in the AFCCG?

I do, regardless where it's at.