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Old 12-11-2012   #21
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I just said we struggled early, but then got our act together on defense. On the other hand the offense never woke-up all night long.
This game was always going to require a complete effort in all areas. We failed in all 3 areas. Some worse than others, but all 3 were piss poor last night. The end.
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At least we'll get to see Wade's tweeting that he wants to face the Pats again. I guess there's no Patriots heads mounted on the wall after this game.
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Offense sucked too, as did ST. We looked bad in all facets of the game.

However, the D was atrocious. 1 sack. 1 garbage time pick. 0 FR. And for all your complaining about the offense not being on the field long enough, if I did the math right (and the numbers on SI are accurate) the Pats only possessed the ball for 30.6 minutes, while the Texans had the ball for 28.8. Negligible. The Pats scored TDs on their first 3 drives, on 7, 6, and 8 play drives. That is NOT acceptable defense.
That's because it takes Brady .005 seconds to huddle, call an audible, throw a pass for 30 yards against us and huddle again, while it takes us the full 40 seconds even if we are losing by 3 TDs.

I swear, Kubiak can go 3 and out and burn 5 minutes off the clock.
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I think that all ties into the O line.
Do you think it is principally the right side with Jones @ guard and Harris/Newton @ tackle, or is it the OLine in general ? I was too busy watching the ball to pay that much attention to particular OLine players, but there was lots of criticism of Jones though I did notice he actually pancaked Wilfork on one play.
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Do you think it is principally the right side with Jones @ guard and Harris/Newton @ tackle, or is it the OLine in general ? I was too busy watching the ball to pay that much attention to particular OLine players, but there was lots of criticism of Jones though I did notice he actually pancaked Wilfork on one play.


I think the right side is hurting us pretty bad although I think Brown did give up a sack early in the game which has been out of character for him. It did seem that our running game had a period of time where it was all to the left. Foster avg 3.1 ypc which is 1.5-2.0 less than last year. Everyone was pointing to Foster's diet as the problem to his runs at the start of the year but I think it might be more issue up front. Couple that with multiple times that Schaub didnt have much time, pressure was on him and that may be part of the reason that we didnt have enough time to exploit a rookie on AJ
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Offense sucked too, as did ST. We looked bad in all facets of the game.

However, the D was atrocious. 1 sack. 1 garbage time pick. 0 FR. And for all your complaining about the offense not being on the field long enough, if I did the math right (and the numbers on SI are accurate) the Pats only possessed the ball for 30.6 minutes, while the Texans had the ball for 28.8. Negligible. The Pats scored TDs on their first 3 drives, on 7, 6, and 8 play drives. That is NOT acceptable defense.
How many plays did the patriots run compared to us?
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How many plays did the patriots run compared to us?
Pats ran 70
We ran 63
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How many plays did the patriots run compared to us?
I think it was 70/65


pats had 4 3 and outs
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And we ran 55 of them with TJ at QB.
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Now. Imagine if they actually had Gronk last night who will be back for the playoffs.
Not a big deal. Brady's not that good. Given multiple open targets he can STILL only throw to one guy each play. Talk about an underachiever.
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All that hype and he still can't score 2 TDs with one pass?
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The good news is now Wade's not going anywhere .
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Eh, at the same time the defense has to help out the offense and not put them in that situation. Down 21 and the playbook shrinks quite a bit. So I wouldn't say the defense gets a pass.
But that didn't happen. Everybody is complaining that Kubiak didn't adjust to the score. He kept running the ball. Shaub threw the ball 32 times, we ran the ball 29 times.

Our play-book got cropped before the game. Not having Graham, that had something to do with it, but what happened to our bootleg?

They have eight men in the box all day, we couldn't get receivers open?
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Really? 42 points, and the D was NOT our problem?

Not the only problem, sure, I agree. But the D gave up 42 points. They were a huge problem.
I don't think the D was a problem They couldn't run the ball until late in the game (when we quit). They gave up 21 early, but they made up for it going into the 3rd Qtr

Our offense never showed up.

You can't take points off the board & we don't have an '85 Bears defense. If our team could have scored in the 2nd & 3rd Qtrs, the Patriots don't get the ball to put up another 3 TDs.

The D had issues, but you can tell they were there, they showed up, traded punches & lost. The offense went into the fetal position after getting smacked like bichus.
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the defense gave the offense a chance to somewhat get back in the game in the first half with the 4 straight 3 and outs and the offense didn't do **** with it.

go into the half down 21-7 could have given us some momentum moving forward.

i wouldn't be surprised if the defense gave up in the 2nd half because they knew the offense wasn't going to bring them back.

you have to keep brady off the field.

one way is 3rd down defense and another way is long time-eating drives.
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Hernandez wasn't even covered for the 2nd TD. Sharpton completely blew coverage <again> giving the Pats an easy TD. Manning ended up trying to cover him but it was clearly Sharpton's responsibility. Sharpton had quite a few bad plays in coverage. James just doesn't have the ability to cover. That position is lost this season. Dobbins as the best ML is a problem but there are no better options. I'd start Ruud & Dobbins but I doubt that would be much better than James & Sharpton.

No player on defense played a great game. Not even Watt. It was a garbage performance by the secondary. Penalties and missed assignments were abundant. LBs looked silly in coverage and didn't get pressure. The DL couldn't get negative plays and failed to tip passes. 42 points.

As bad as Kubiak's play calling was at times last night, Phillips matched him. Nothing worked. Sure it was Brady but this wasn't the first time. 3 of the last 4 games were embarassing defensively. Let's hope he gets the defense turned around soon or it could be a long offseason.
It wasn't Sharpton.

Watch the replay and you should see Dobbins, Quin, then James were waving for somebody to go out there to cover Hernandez. The instruction wasn't clear as Manning and Sharpton were asking each other who's it going to be.

Brady just had the ball quick-snapped.

I put this one on James if he's supposed to be the signal caller.
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the defense gave the offense a chance to somewhat get back in the game in the first half with the 4 straight 3 and outs and the offense didn't do **** with it.

go into the half down 21-7 could have given us some momentum moving forward.

i wouldn't be surprised if the defense gave up in the 2nd half because they knew the offense wasn't going to bring them back.

you have to keep brady off the field.

one way is 3rd down defense and another way is long time-eating drives.
The defense also stopped the Pats on two short drives early in the second half (one went for 15 yards, the other netted zero for the Pats.)

The offense went 3 and out both times.
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