The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Tell you what. I'll just give you an example that happens over and over and over here in Houston. Kubiak has done this since the beginning and shows absolutely no signs of changing. This is from last night's play-by-play:

Look at the time stamps. The Texans had the ball with 3:26 left and just drained the clock as if they were ahead. The Patriots called timeouts. They wanted the ball back. When the Pats had the ball, the Texans called no timeouts. When the Texans had the ball at the end of the half, they wasted what clock was left. Kubiak took two timeouts into the locker room with him. He basically curled up in a ball and begged to get to halftime. He plays scared in a game that you can't play with fear of failure.

He's just an offensive coordinator trying to play head coach, and he's not very good at it.

The Pats called the first time-out because they didn't like the personnel they had on the field. The Texans were ready to snap the ball; they actually did snap the ball, but NE barely got the TO call in.

The previous play was an incomplete pass, there was no need for the Texans to call time-out.

The second TO is mandatory due to injury of their CB; they had to use the TO within 2 mins to tend to an injured player.
Again, the previous play was an incomplete pass, there's no need for the Texans to call time-out.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

You didn't answer the question; are we 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

I think what they are saying is that Kubiak's 11-2 team won't win the Super Bowl. It's not inspite of Kubiak, but who did we really beat?

They are saying the AFC is weak, The Broncos weren't the Broncos we see out there today & we just showed everyone the Ravens are bigger pretenders than we are.

I don't subscribe to this line of thinking, but the evidence before us is hard to deny.

We're going to have to be a much better team to win our first play-off game this year.

The Patriots, Broncos, & really even the Bengals are better now than they were at the beginning of the year. We are not. That's the way I see it. There are good reasons why we are not. But nobody cares & they shouldn't. Kubiak's job is to get them better before the play-offs start.

& winning games isn't going to be enough. Winning games that count is all that matters. The targets been moved again, but that's the way it goes.

[76Texan]

When the Pats got the ball back; they were either in the sugar huddle or no huddle.

They had enough time to try to go downfield for a FG.
You don't want to call a time-out to help them.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

When the Pats got the ball back; they were either in the sugar huddle or no huddle.

They had enough time to try to go downfield for a FG.
You don't want to call a time-out to help them.

I agree with this. There was no need to call time out on D and help NE. Also, you wouldn't burn a TO on an incomplete pass.

Seems to me there's a high level of frustration with your team. You can micro-manage it to death. When the Pats went up 21-0, your game plan pretty much got flushed down the toilet. IMO, you have to have an elite (HOF-type) QB to lead a team back from three scores down on the road. Manning, Brady, Rogers, Brees are at the top of that very short list. They might be the only ones.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

You didn't answer the question; are we 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

That's because there's no correct answer to the question. In many ways, the team is 11-2 because of Kubiak. He has great play design, he generally puts players in positions to succeed on offense, and he has drafted reasonably well on offense. On other other hand, the team loses big games and plays down to its competition in many ways because of Kubiak. How many times have you seen our defense get a team into 3rd and long and they run a draw play? I'm constantly pointing out how the other team doesn't do it. They pass the ball. They try to convert. The defense got Brady into some 3rd and long situations last night and he came out slinging. Our offense lies down. Kubiak wastes clock where he could be calling plays. Kubiak goes to run the clock out too soon when he has a lead and that's resulted in some close calls this year. He lacks the killer instinct.

So in some ways, they're 11-2 in spite of Kubiak. In some ways, they're 11-2 because of Kubiak. The problem is, his deficiencies are much, much harder to overcome against the types of teams that they'll face in the playoffs. When the team is playing the Titans or Jags, it's a little easier for the defense to shoulder the burden of Kubiak letting off the gas or not playing aggressively enough. When they play the Pats, nto so much.

Do you think the Chargers were a playoff team those years despite Norv Turner? Do you think the Browns, Chiefs, and Chargers were a playoff team all those years despite Marty Schottenheimer? Do you think the Tampa Bay Bucs were a playoff team for those four or five years prior to Chucky despite Tony Dungy? It's not that black and white, but it can be pretty evident when a guy has shortcomings that are going to prevent the team from succeeding at the highest level. Kubiak's shortcomings are the same now as they were in 2009, or even in 2006. He's not changing. He is who he is.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I think what they are saying is that Kubiak's 11-2 team won't win the Super Bowl. It's not inspite of Kubiak, but who did we really beat?

They are saying the AFC is weak, The Broncos weren't the Broncos we see out there today & we just showed everyone the Ravens are bigger pretenders than we are.

I don't subscribe to this line of thinking, but the evidence before us is hard to deny.

We're going to have to be a much better team to win our first play-off game this year.

The Patriots, Broncos, & really even the Bengals are better now than they were at the beginning of the year. We are not. That's the way I see it. There are good reasons why we are not. But nobody cares & they shouldn't. Kubiak's job is to get them better before the play-offs start.

& winning games isn't going to be enough. Winning games that count is all that matters. The targets been moved again, but that's the way it goes.

And it will continue to be moved by some.
Reason: They wanted Cowher here but Uncle Bob stuck it out with Gary Kubiak. Some part of them, no matter what this team manages to achieve with Kubiak as coach, will always be pissed about that.
ALWAYS.

Edit:
To be fair, I, too, will continue to "move the goalposts" as the team evolves. What made ME happy last year - getting to the playoffs - won't be enough this year. This year I expect an AFC championship appearance, minimum. Next year, I expect a Super Bowl appearance, minimum. The year after that - and every year that follows - I will expect SB wins.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

It's a running joke around here that if the team is facing 3rd and long inside it's own 35, it's going to be a draw play to the right. And with about a 90% accuracy, we're right. It always is. Kubiak just gives up on the series and punts. No one's asking for 4 streaks there, but maybe mix in a screen, a bubble screen, hell ... even a toss play. Oooh, maybe even a draw to the left! LOL. I'm not busting your chops here, but you're just not familiar with the clock management issues, the tendency to quit in certain situations, the inability to adjust to the other team's game plan, and the questionable play calls in certain situations. Kubiak has a lot of strengths. He is a damn good play designer. When he gets this team's offense going in a rhythm, it's an awesome sight to behold. Generally, he drafts offensive guys pretty well. But when it comes to grading him as a HEAD coach, he's just not good. He can't do defense - AT ALL. He hired bad defensive coaches and stuck with them until his job was on the line. He drafted bad defensive players. He sucks at all the aforementioned things that a HEAD coach has to do.

He's just an offensive coordinator trying to play head coach, and he's not very good at it.

Since 2007 (I used this as to refer to the time that Schaub first arrived in Houston), on 3rd or 4th and longer than 15, the league average in converting these long situations is 11.1%

The Texans converted at a clip of 10.4% with the pass (48 attempts,) and 14.3% with the run (28 attempts.)

They were sacked 3 times while trying to convert with the pass, resulting in further loss of yardage.

Which would rather go with?

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

And it will continue to be moved by some.
Reason: They wanted Cowher here but Uncle Bob stuck it out with Gary Kubiak. Some part of them, no matter what this team manages to achieve with Kubiak as coach, will always be pissed about that.
ALWAYS.

It will continue to be moved, but your reasoning is dead wrong. The reason is actually much simpler - we want a Super Bowl. When you're a 2-14 team, the target is to improve. When you're an 8-8 team, the target becomes having a winning record and maybe making the payoffs. When you've made the playoffs, the target becomes winning a Super Bowl. If you seriously think your team is a Super Bowl contender, then you expect to see certain indicators to that effect. Winning games against elite competition is one such indicator. Losing those games tends to indicate that your team will lose big games in the playoffs. Hence the frustration.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

I agree with this. There was no need to call time out on D and help NE. Also, you wouldn't burn a TO on an incomplete pass.

Seems to me there's a high level of frustration with your team. You can micro-manage it to death. When the Pats went up 21-0, your game plan pretty much got flushed down the toilet. IMO, you have to have an elite (HOF-type) QB to lead a team back from three scores down on the road. Manning, Brady, Rogers, Brees are at the top of that very short list. They might be the only ones.

There are always some who doesn't like a HC that has not won anything of significance, I understand that.

But sometimes, people bring up some funny reasons!

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Since 2007 (I used this as to refer to the time that Schaub first arrived in Houston), on 3rd or 4th and longer than 15, the league average in converting these long situations is 11.1%

The Texans converted at a clip of 10.4% with the pass (48 attempts, and 14.3% with the run (28 attempts.)

Which would rather go with?

You're either not reading my posts or not getting it. I don't have heartburn with 3rd and long running, or passing. Do whichever they want. Just mix it up. Don't do the same 3rd and long draw to the right that they almost always do. Mix in a screen, bubble screen, toss play, draw to the LEFT (Woohoo!), outlet pass over the middle to the back, slant-go route, double move ... there are plays that you can run that are sufficiently conservative that have a chance to succeed and that mix up your look on film for scouting purposes. Doing the same thing every time is effectively quitting not only on that play, but in future games when teams play your tendencies.

Also, 3rd and 15 has its own set of stats, but the Texans do it on 3rd and 9 inside their own 35. So while I appreciate your point, it's not 100% applicable.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Yeah, they think it's all Kubiak.

Last I looked, neither Kubiak nor Wade has played a single down this season.
But let's excuse the players.
It's Kubiak.

Just one quick question: Who picked the players?

Originally Posted by buddyboy

You didn't answer the question; are we 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

If you are satisfied with a great regular season team, then this is a good question.

Some of us want more than just a great regular season team. Some of us recognize that the regular season is merely a means to an end.

Great teams are forged in the playoffs against other great teams. So far, our team does not look like they are quite ready to compete at that level.

I love me some 11-2 like anyone, but the difference is that I'm not celebrating the record. Their record will be 0-0 come January, and all that regular season stuff was just jockeying for position.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Edit:
To be fair, I, too, will continue to "move the goalposts" as the team evolves. What made ME happy last year - getting to the playoffs - won't be enough this year. This year I expect an AFC championship appearance, minimum. Next year, I expect a Super Bowl appearance, minimum. The year after that - and every year that follows - I will expect SB wins.

I understand moving the goal, but not see a Super Bowl until next year?

Last year we were saying we would have been in the Super Bowl had Matt been healthy. We also said he was the one injury that really took us out of the Super Bowl.

NO, I won't be happy unless we win the Super Bowl. Had we not got spanked by the Packers/Patriots, I'd have been happy with just getting there & playing well.

But now.... no. We need to win the Super Bowl. We've got issues, no doubt. But I guarantee you whoever wins the Super Bowl will have issues of their own.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

There are always some who doesn't like a HC that has not won anything of significance, I understand that.

But sometimes, people bring up some funny reasons!

and.... to continue.... the offense didn't go down 21 or 28-zip. I would say if you have a b!tch, it's in the secondary. Brady picked 'm apart, and there were some dudes wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open last night. Lloyd and Stallworth should never be that open 35 yards deep. Whether that's a scheme, personnel, or both, I can't say, I don't watch enough of your games.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

You're either not reading my posts or not getting it. I don't have heartburn with 3rd and long running, or passing. Do whichever they want. Just mix it up. Don't do the same 3rd and long draw to the right that they almost always do. Mix in a screen, bubble screen, toss play, draw to the LEFT (Woohoo!), outlet pass over the middle to the back, slant-go route, double move ... there are plays that you can run that are sufficiently conservative that have a chance to succeed and that mix up your look on film for scouting purposes. Doing the same thing every time is effectively quitting not only on that play, but in future games when teams play your tendencies.

Also, 3rd and 15 has its own set of stats, but the Texans do it on 3rd and 9 inside their own 35. So while I appreciate your point, it's not 100% applicable.

The record (like I had said a few times before, you can use Play Finder at ProFootball Reference) shows that we used the pass 48 times and the run 28 times.

The draw play brings the best result, why not use it?

[Exascor]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

It will continue to be moved, but your reasoning is dead wrong. The reason is actually much simpler - we want a Super Bowl. When you're a 2-14 team, the target is to improve. When you're an 8-8 team, the target becomes having a winning record and maybe making the payoffs. When you've made the playoffs, the target becomes winning a Super Bowl. If you seriously think your team is a Super Bowl contender, then you expect to see certain indicators to that effect. Winning games against elite competition is one such indicator. Losing those games tends to indicate that your team will lose big games in the playoffs. Hence the frustration.

I'm with you. I want to win the Superbowl. This year. Every year. It's a tough goal to have though. REALLY tough.

You know what Kubiak and Belichick have in common? Neither has won a Superbowl since Kubiak became a head coach. Oh yeah - Belichick has Brady too.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

and.... to continue.... the offense didn't go down 21 or 28-zip. I would say if you have a b!tch, it's in the secondary. Brady picked 'm apart, and there were some dudes wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open last night. Lloyd and Stallworth should never be that open 35 yards deep. Whether that's a scheme, personnel, or both, I can't say, I don't watch enough of your games.

Both safeties bit the play action pass on one.

Bradie James (whom I said is the most suspected LB in coverage) just got back from an injury and allowed Hernandez one.

He's the one who makes the D call, and he allows Hernandez to be all by himself on another.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Both safeties but the play action pass on one.

Bradie James (whom I said is the most suspected LB in coverage) just got back from an injury and allowed Hernandez one.

He's the one who makes the D call, and he allows Hernandez to be all by himself on another.

That's a problem that Brady's gonna identify every time...LB's on Hernandez are generally a mismatch. If there's one that's suspect to begin with...he should be shadowing RB's, and put someone else out on Hernandez. That's a DC issue IMO.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I think what they are saying is that Kubiak's 11-2 team won't win the Super Bowl. It's not inspite of Kubiak, but who did we really beat?

we beat the afc west winner, the afc north winner, beat the bengals twice last year, the steelers last year, the jets, and are about to put 2 beatdowns on the colts. so, outside of the patriots we've beaten all of the playoff teams. kinda paints a picture doesnt it.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

You're either not reading my posts or not getting it. I don't have heartburn with 3rd and long running, or passing. Do whichever they want. Just mix it up. Don't do the same 3rd and long draw to the right that they almost always do. Mix in a screen, bubble screen, toss play, draw to the LEFT (Woohoo!), outlet pass over the middle to the back, slant-go route, double move ... there are plays that you can run that are sufficiently conservative that have a chance to succeed and that mix up your look on film for scouting purposes. Doing the same thing every time is effectively quitting not only on that play, but in future games when teams play your tendencies.

Also, 3rd and 15 has its own set of stats, but the Texans do it on 3rd and 9 inside their own 35. So while I appreciate your point, it's not 100% applicable.

When using the 9 yard parameter, the Texans had 295 attempts to convert with the pass at a 22.7% clip.

They tried it with the run only 88 times, at a 11.4% conversion rate.

Clearly, between 9 and 14 yards, the Texans went with the pass a whole lot more (247 times as opposed to 60 times with the run).

They had better results with the pass and that was why they went more with the pass to convert 9-14 situations.

Any way you look at it, Kubiak gets the best results out of different situations.

[wolf123]

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