The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Exascor

If Kubiak goes - Schaub goes. Does anyone run the "Kubiak" offense successfully other than Kubiak? How's the Redskins version worked out?

They beat the Giants.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by utahmark

Maybe I need a sarcasm smiley. San Diego threw whatever chance they had at a Superbowl away when they fired Marty. If letting go of Marty was not the final nail in the coffin then hiring Norv was. You can't fire your coach when your one of the top teams in the league. With 32 teams in the league simple odds tell you that your chances of getting worse are much greater than your chances of getting better.

This, again.

People. You are 11-2. You have 85 pages of fire Kubiak? Other than when Tampa fired Dungy and hired Chucky, when has a good team fired a coach and got better? Dungy would have won the following year, anyway, Tampa was impatient.

You guys are so close. Stay the course. Judge it at the end of the season. Maybe *MAYBE* you can bring in a D coordinator or secondary coach.

Look...our team was horrific on defense earlier in the year; couldn't stop a good high school team. Teams grow. You guys are right there. Relax.

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

This, again.

People. You are 11-2. You have 85 pages of fire Kubiak? Other than when Tampa fired Dungy and hired Chucky, when has a good team fired a coach and got better? Dungy would have won the following year, anyway, Tampa was impatient.

You guys are so close. Stay the course. Judge it at the end of the season. Maybe *MAYBE* you can bring in a D coordinator or secondary coach.

Look...our team was horrific on defense earlier in the year; couldn't stop a good high school team. Teams grow. You guys are right there. Relax.

The original OP was in 2009.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by DX-TEX

The original OP was in 2009.

you guys have kept it going that long.

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

you guys have kept it going that long.

We're a funny, fickle bunch.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by DX-TEX

We're a funny, fickle bunch.

you guys are like jaded red sox fans, pre '04.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

you guys have kept it going that long.

Kubiak keeps making the same stupid mistakes for that long. Actually, from the beginning, but it took until 2009 for people to start to figure out that his stripes weren't going to change.

[Foxboro Steve]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Kubiak keeps making the same stupid mistakes for that long. Actually, from the beginning, but it took until 2009 for people to start to figure out that his stripes weren't going to change.

I'm not passing judgement, so don't take it wrong... but you're saying that you guys are 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

[fiasco west]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

I'm not passing judgement, so don't take it wrong... but you're saying that you guys are 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

This thread always comes back whenever there is a loss or the team doesn't win strongly.

I am all for keeping Kubiak. In my mind the only way he loses his job is if the Texans get smacked around in the playoffs.

When people talk about replacing Kubiak they need to have someone that is without a doubt better.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Two things I didn't like about the playcalling.

1. When they man up on Andre... take advantage of it
   Until they change what they are doing, we should be feeding Andre the ball.
   
2. Shouldn't there have been a point in that game where we aired it out?
   Did we ever go to the hurry up offense? Matt was struggling, needed to find his rhythm.... why didn't we try to get him some rhythm?

How you gonna "air it out" or "get Matt some rhythm" when Vince Wolfolk was in the backfield a half second after the snap?? He's yet another version of Haynesworth or Kris Jenkins. Our O-line was simply out matched. Ben Jones was just abused all night.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

I'm not passing judgement, so don't take it wrong... but you're saying that you guys are 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

Tell you what. I'll just give you an example that happens over and over and over here in Houston. Kubiak has done this since the beginning and shows absolutely no signs of changing. This is from last night's play-by-play:

Houston Texans at 03:26
1-10-HOU 34 (3:26) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 23-A.Foster to NE 43 for 23 yards (32-D.McCourty).
1-10-NE 43 (2:42) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short right to 23-A.Foster.
Timeout #2 by NE at 02:38.
2-10-NE 43 (2:38) 23-A.Foster right tackle to NE 43 for no gain (51-J.Mayo).
Two-Minute Warning
3-10-NE 43 (2:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-99-T.Scott, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at NE 43 - No Play.
3-5-NE 38 (2:00) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete deep middle to 80-A.Johnson (31-A.Talib). NE-31-A.Talib was injured during the play.
Timeout #3 by NE at 01:55. injury in last 2 minutes
4-5-NE 38 (1:55) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 83-K.Walter [51-J.Mayo].

New England Patriots at 01:52
1-10-NE 38 (1:52) 34-S.Vereen left tackle to NE 39 for 1 yard (98-C.Barwin; 51-D.Sharpton).
2-9-NE 39 (1:24) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 85-B.Lloyd to NE 45 for 6 yards (24-J.Joseph).
3-3-NE 45 (:55) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 81-A.Hernandez (29-G.Quin).
4-3-NE 45 (:50) 14-Z.Mesko punts 55 yards to end zone, Center-48-D.Aiken, Touchback.

Houston Texans at 00:41
1-10-HOU 20 (:41) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass short left to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 31 for 11 yards (51-J.Mayo).
1-10-HOU 31 (:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short middle to 80-A.Johnson (37-A.Dennard).
2-10-HOU 31 (:16) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete deep right to 18-L.Jean [54-D.Hightower].
3-10-HOU 31 (:10) 23-A.Foster left guard to HOU 40 for 9 yards (23-M.Cole; 27-T.Wilson).
END QUARTER 2

Look at the time stamps. The Texans had the ball with 3:26 left and just drained the clock as if they were ahead. The Patriots called timeouts. They wanted the ball back. When the Pats had the ball, the Texans called no timeouts. When the Texans had the ball at the end of the half, they wasted what clock was left. Kubiak took two timeouts into the locker room with him. He basically curled up in a ball and begged to get to halftime. He plays scared in a game that you can't play with fear of failure.

It's a running joke around here that if the team is facing 3rd and long inside it's own 35, it's going to be a draw play to the right. And with about a 90% accuracy, we're right. It always is. Kubiak just gives up on the series and punts. No one's asking for 4 streaks there, but maybe mix in a screen, a bubble screen, hell ... even a toss play. Oooh, maybe even a draw to the left! LOL. I'm not busting your chops here, but you're just not familiar with the clock management issues, the tendency to quit in certain situations, the inability to adjust to the other team's game plan, and the questionable play calls in certain situations. Kubiak has a lot of strengths. He is a damn good play designer. When he gets this team's offense going in a rhythm, it's an awesome sight to behold. Generally, he drafts offensive guys pretty well. But when it comes to grading him as a HEAD coach, he's just not good. He can't do defense - AT ALL. He hired bad defensive coaches and stuck with them until his job was on the line. He drafted bad defensive players. He sucks at all the aforementioned things that a HEAD coach has to do.

He's just an offensive coordinator trying to play head coach, and he's not very good at it.

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by fiasco west

This thread always comes back whenever there is a loss or the team doesn't win strongly.

I am all for keeping Kubiak. In my mind the only way he loses his job is if the Texans get smacked around in the playoffs.

When people talk about replacing Kubiak they need to have someone that is without a doubt better.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

How you gonna "air it out" or "get Matt some rhythm" when Vince Wolfolk was in the backfield a half second after the snap?? He's yet another version of Haynesworth or Kris Jenkins. Our O-line was simply out matched. Ben Jones was just abused all night.

Move him. Move the pocket, make Wilfork move side to side. I'd have liked to see a bootleg at least once. While our run game wasn't all that, they were keyed in on it.

They had a 7th round pick on Andre 1 on 1, I'm sure he could have got open.

[eriadoc]

Against the Packers, he did the same sort of thing. He basically quit on the half. He didn't want any part of trying to compete and get better. When questioned about my take on it, this was my response:

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Well, for starters you call that timeout immediately and prepare for the punt. You get the special teams coach that you employ to get his players to freakin' block someone and try for a decent return. Then you come up with a couple plays that are a balance of risk vs. reward that may result in something. That means no Hail Marys and no 3rd and long draw plays, in case that needed to be clarified. If they don't result in anything, you gave it an honest attempt. If they do, maybe you get a FG or even a TD.

What you don't do is kneel down on the sideline and pray to God that the half ends right then and there for the whole world to see.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Tell you what. I'll just give you an example that happens over and over and over here in Houston. Kubiak has done this since the beginning and shows absolutely no signs of changing. This is from last night's play-by-play:



Look at the time stamps. The Texans had the ball with 3:26 left and just drained the clock as if they were ahead. The Patriots called timeouts. They wanted the ball back. When the Pats had the ball, the Texans called no timeouts. When the Texans had the ball at the end of the half, they wasted what clock was left. Kubiak took two timeouts into the locker room with him. He basically curled up in a ball and begged to get to halftime. He plays scared in a game that you can't play with fear of failure.

It's a running joke around here that if the team is facing 3rd and long inside it's own 35, it's going to be a draw play to the right. And with about a 90% accuracy, we're right. It always is. Kubiak just gives up on the series and punts. No one's asking for 4 streaks there, but maybe mix in a screen, a bubble screen, hell ... even a toss play. Oooh, maybe even a draw to the left! LOL. I'm not busting your chops here, but you're just not familiar with the clock management issues, the tendency to quit in certain situations, the inability to adjust to the other team's game plan, and the questionable play calls in certain situations. Kubiak has a lot of strengths. He is a damn good play designer. When he gets this team's offense going in a rhythm, it's an awesome sight to behold. Generally, he drafts offensive guys pretty well. But when it comes to grading him as a HEAD coach, he's just not good. He can't do defense - AT ALL. He hired bad defensive coaches and stuck with them until his job was on the line. He drafted bad defensive players. He sucks at all the aforementioned things that a HEAD coach has to do.

He's just an offensive coordinator trying to play head coach, and he's not very good at it.

Eriadoc hit the nail on the head here. Good post!

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

you guys are like jaded red sox fans, pre '04.

Well yeah... The owner of this MB is in the Anti-Kubiak camp.

He had a couple of posts in a little earlier

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Foxboro Steve

I'm not passing judgement, so don't take it wrong... but you're saying that you guys are 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?

That's EXACTLY how some folks think around here. Boggles my mind. None of the players - with the possible exception of Schaub - have come up with a single game plan.

Oh and did I mention that the new "conventional wisdom" among the Fire Kubiak crowd is that we're winning because of Wade's defense not because of Kubiak. ...yeah, that same defense that has allowed an average of 30 pts per during the last four games. All while having, arguably, the best D-lineman and the best CB in the AFC if not the league!

Boggles my mind.

Yeah, they think it's all Kubiak.

Last I looked, neither Kubiak nor Wade has played a single down this season.
But let's excuse the players.
It's Kubiak.

[fiasco west]

Originally Posted by DX-TEX

Meh, Cowher is a great coach but I'm not sure how he fixes our problems.

I know, he screams on the sidelines and gets all angry on TV just like Gruden so people automatically assume that he's teaching toughness.

Any ways, I don't see how we could make a case for firing him now. The Texans should be judged by what they do in the playoffs, not the regular season.

[Exascor]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

They beat the Giants.

This year? They don't run the Kubiak offense this year.

[buddyboy]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Tell you what. I'll just give you an example that happens over and over and over here in Houston. Kubiak has done this since the beginning and shows absolutely no signs of changing. This is from last night's play-by-play:



Look at the time stamps. The Texans had the ball with 3:26 left and just drained the clock as if they were ahead. The Patriots called timeouts. They wanted the ball back. When the Pats had the ball, the Texans called no timeouts. When the Texans had the ball at the end of the half, they wasted what clock was left. Kubiak took two timeouts into the locker room with him. He basically curled up in a ball and begged to get to halftime. He plays scared in a game that you can't play with fear of failure.

It's a running joke around here that if the team is facing 3rd and long inside it's own 35, it's going to be a draw play to the right. And with about a 90% accuracy, we're right. It always is. Kubiak just gives up on the series and punts. No one's asking for 4 streaks there, but maybe mix in a screen, a bubble screen, hell ... even a toss play. Oooh, maybe even a draw to the left! LOL. I'm not busting your chops here, but you're just not familiar with the clock management issues, the tendency to quit in certain situations, the inability to adjust to the other team's game plan, and the questionable play calls in certain situations. Kubiak has a lot of strengths. He is a damn good play designer. When he gets this team's offense going in a rhythm, it's an awesome sight to behold. Generally, he drafts offensive guys pretty well. But when it comes to grading him as a HEAD coach, he's just not good. He can't do defense - AT ALL. He hired bad defensive coaches and stuck with them until his job was on the line. He drafted bad defensive players. He sucks at all the aforementioned things that a HEAD coach has to do.

He's just an offensive coordinator trying to play head coach, and he's not very good at it.

You didn't answer the question; are we 11-2 in spite of Kubiak?