NFL Network Playbook AFC

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by Thorn

The video doesn't start for me for some reason. Probably some stupid setting in IE I don't have the energy to find right now.

No its NFL.com. For a multi-billion dollar company the NFL has the worst website around.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Tailgate

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook

I used my DVR.. Seems to be diff.

I've seen that clip.
It did not show anything regarding our LBs.

[Mailman]

Originally Posted by Tailgate

They showed Mia running the ball vs the Pats D. In 2 of the 3 plays they showed Bush with wide open cut back lanes instead calling Bush's indecisiveness great run D by the Patriots... Lol.

Ha, I watched the show earlier today and that's exactly what I came here to post. Bush had cutback lanes galore on those excerpted plays, and if Arian Foster gets those same looks I am prettay prettay prettay sure he'd gash that defense cutting it back across to those wide open running lanes.

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by Thorn

The video doesn't start for me for some reason. Probably some stupid setting in IE I don't have the energy to find right now.

Im surprised I even got it to play on my ipad

[MEGA SWATT]

These guys are just lovin on the pats - it's quite disgusting.

[Pantherstang84]

Originally Posted by Heath Shuler

Anyone else watching? I dont know when they tape the show (tonite, Friday is the first airing) but Sterling Sharpe just said Brice McCain needs to "step up", "play big" and "will have his hands full" as the nickel corner against New England. WTF?????



And Sterling, Donovan McNabb and Brian Baldinger all picked the Pats.

Could have told you that. Came across it in the listings last night but didn't bother. I knew what they were going to say.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I just finished rewatched the Jags and Lions games.

I was way off on that. Just rewatched it & they showed the Bills game at Reliant & the Lions game. The Lions game was where he showed an endzone view & you can see our LBs didn't know where to go or what to do & they were running into each other.

I don't think you need to watch any more film unless it's for your personal satisfaction. I'm well aware of our LBs weaknesses in pass defense & have said so for years. I call our LBs down hill players, because that is what they are. They attack the L.O.S. They get in the back field & F$$@ Schit up. They play sideline to sideline & it's a difficult task to get past them.

But there is a big hole in the middle of the field if it weren't for Wade's schemes with his Safeties & CBs... and more teams would exploit that if it weren't for Watt & Smith.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Heath Shuler

1st play: Dobbins giving up a reception to Bills' TE Chandler.
2nd play: Sharpton & Ruud vs Lions on crossing patterns looking a little lost.


Mcnabb is cherry picking.

I'm sure he could have found more. Cushing was our best LB in coverage & he wasn't that good. Definitely not a strength of his game.

Rudd has shown a few flashes.

Watch our competition & see how often they get their hands on the ball in pass defense. Then watch our guys. Unless it's a tipped ball or a poorly thrown ball, our LBs never touch the ball. They barely present an obstacle to opposing QBs.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I'm sure he could have found more. Cushing was our best LB in coverage & he wasn't that good. Definitely not a strength of his game.

Rudd has shown a few flashes.

Watch our competition & see how often they get their hands on the ball in pass defense. Then watch our guys. Unless it's a tipped ball or a poorly thrown ball, our LBs never touch the ball. They barely present an obstacle to opposing QBs.

Rudd:

Ruud:

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

Rudd:

Ruud:

Point taken, but....


They all look alike to me.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I'm sure he could have found more. Cushing was our best LB in coverage & he wasn't that good. Definitely not a strength of his game.

Rudd has shown a few flashes.

Watch our competition & see how often they get their hands on the ball in pass defense. Then watch our guys. Unless it's a tipped ball or a poorly thrown ball, our LBs never touch the ball. They barely present an obstacle to opposing QBs.

Come on dawg, when you're mostly in man you don't have as many real chances to get the hand on the ball, especially with a single deep safety.

No, they aren't perfect.
Not even Cushing.

On the part where you said our LBs never touched the ball, I am very happy to disagree

[76Texan]

Now first of all, Fid, you need to tell me where the opponent's LB touched the ball

[thunderkyss]

So I'm watching Playbook this week. Baldinger talks about the Titans tendency to play man coverage & proceeds to show Jack Locker making excellent throws to beat man coverage. Kenny Brit beats the corner on go routes, Locker places the ball over the top, defender has no chance, Brit runs under it, catches it & keeps running.

Baldinger lays out a good argument, citing that attacking the corners is what other teams found success with against the Colts. The first play shows the Colts in 3 deep coverage, Cj beats the corner assigned to him, gets behind the safety & Stafford delivers a bullet over 50 yards through the air. Then he shows the Brit plays I spoke of earlier, a 20 yard go route that Britt takes for 46 yards down the right sideline & a 40 yard go route to the left sideline.

Baldy asks, "Can you imagine what Andre Johnson is thinking right now?"

My answer is he's probably thinking, "We don't run that play, we don't run that play, maybe that one will work, but we don't run that one either."

I watched playbook last week & again they presented a plausible plan to attack their LBs with our two TE sets. I knew Graham was out, but we still had Casey & it looked like a good plan. But we didn't do it. But the point, is that as I watched that, I was thinking, "Yeah, that "fits" with what we're trying to do. That looks like something we do."

As opposed to watching this weeks plan to attack Indy's corners. I know we aren't going to do that, because we never do that. Matt can't throw a go route to save his life. His tendency to purposely under throw balls don't jive with the go route. Throwing deep on three deep? Nah... even if Andre is fast enough to get behind them.... it ain't gonna happen.

So then I ask myself, why not?

The first section was kinda awkward, McNabb was having issues saying Jj Swatt & while he was talking about what our defense needs to do for us to return to our winning ways, they kept showing clips of how out of sync our offense was. Monday night & a play where Matt missed OD in the end zone vs Tennessee.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

So I'm watching Playbook this week. Baldinger talks about the Titans tendency to play man coverage & proceeds to show Jack Locker making excellent throws to beat man coverage. Kenny Brit beats the corner on go routes, Locker places the ball over the top, defender has no chance, Brit runs under it, catches it & keeps running.

Baldinger lays out a good argument, citing that attacking the corners is what other teams found success with against the Colts. The first play shows the Colts in 3 deep coverage, Cj beats the corner assigned to him, gets behind the safety & Stafford delivers a bullet over 50 yards through the air. Then he shows the Brit plays I spoke of earlier, a 20 yard go route that Britt takes for 46 yards down the right sideline & a 40 yard go route to the left sideline.

Baldy asks, "Can you imagine what Andre Johnson is thinking right now?"

My answer is he's probably thinking, "We don't run that play, we don't run that play, maybe that one will work, but we don't run that one either."

I watched playbook last week & again they presented a plausible plan to attack their LBs with our two TE sets. I knew Graham was out, but we still had Casey & it looked like a good plan. But we didn't do it. But the point, is that as I watched that, I was thinking, "Yeah, that "fits" with what we're trying to do. That looks like something we do."

As opposed to watching this weeks plan to attack Indy's corners. I know we aren't going to do that, because we never do that. Matt can't throw a go route to save his life. His tendency to purposely under throw balls don't jive with the go route. Throwing deep on three deep? Nah... even if Andre is fast enough to get behind them.... it ain't gonna happen.

So then I ask myself, why not?

The first section was kinda awkward, McNabb was having issues saying Jj Swatt & while he was talking about what our defense needs to do for us to return to our winning ways, they kept showing clips of how out of sync our offense was. Monday night & a play where Matt missed OD in the end zone vs Tennessee.

The Pats defense played well and they played discipline. They did a good job against our play action pass. Their end men stayed home and didn't give time to set up, or they were able to get penetrating and messed it up through the middle.
In the mean time we bit on too many play fakes and we paid each time.

We took a few shots downfield.
Jean dropped a long one on the right.
He didn't run a good enough route and was called for OPI on the long one down the left end zone.

We got the ball to OD once on a intermediate route.
But overall, their coverage was fairly solid.
They had timely safety help.
Mc Courtyards on the INTERNET and the other safety came up to lay one on Jean on another play.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

The Pats defense played well and they played discipline. They did a good job against our play action pass. Their end men stayed home and didn't give time to set up, or they were able to get penetrating and messed it up through the middle.
In the mean time we bit on too many play fakes and we paid each time.

We took a few shots downfield.
Jean dropped a long one on the right.
He didn't run a good enough route and was called for OPI on the long one down the left end zone.

We got the ball to OD once on a intermediate route.
But overall, their coverage was fairly solid.
They had timely safety help.
Mc Courtyards on the INTERNET and the other safety came up to lay one on Jean on another play.

That doesn't address the question I'm asking.

If we know the weaknesses of the opposing defense, why don't we attack them? Combined, how many targets did OD & Casey have? They should have been featured in the game.

They were weak at the CB position, they played man on Andre Johnson. "Their guy" got hurt & they put a 7th rounder on him, any other team would have "picked on" that guy the minute he entered the game.

We're going to play the Colts, their corners suck. I guarantee we won't attack them. I guarantee you won't see us pressure them with 9s & you won't see a perfectly thrown pass that drops into the receiver's hands as they streak down the field.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

That doesn't address the question I'm asking.

If we know the weaknesses of the opposing defense, why don't we attack them? Combined, how many targets did OD & Casey have? They should have been featured in the game.

They were weak at the CB position, they played man on Andre Johnson. "Their guy" got hurt & they put a 7th rounder on him, any other team would have "picked on" that guy the minute he entered the game.

We're going to play the Colts, their corners suck. I guarantee we won't attack them. I guarantee you won't see us pressure them with 9s & you won't see a perfectly thrown pass that drops into the receiver's hands as they streak down the field.

For one, when you play a 2TE set, or when you run the play action, often times you need one to block.

Secondly, as I just rewatched the coach film of the first quarter, we had all the looks we wanted. Jean had chances downfield (ie. He was more "open") against a rookie in Dennard or Arrington, who is not known to be able to defend big receivers. You've been to the Pats MB, but I don't know if you catch the part where their fans were worried about how our 3 receivers (AJ, Walter, and Jean) were all 6'3.

Thirdly, they doubled up at times, so our RBs were more open.
We hit them some, Foster dropped at least once, the pressure may have caused Schaub to be slightly high on one, and Schaub thought McCourty was going to come down on Foster when he threw that pick.
We ran mirror routes on one play to clear everything out to both sides with Foster came out late after he picked up the blitz. There wasn'the a defender within 25 yards of him, but our protection broke down.

You cannot just say that you will come out and just attack the TEs.
They game-planned to provide them with help.
We take what the Defense gave us, at least we tried to.
Our execution was poor, that's all.

You don't want your QB to force the ball into double coverage on a TE when somebody else is open, now do you?

[76Texan]

BAsically, similar things happened in the second quarter.

When we have a guy open, one of theirs make a play at the line, or we had break down in protection, or a guy drops a pass.

The Pats had all the timely plays they needed when it's most important.

We need Graham and Newton back.
Harris can't be out there full-time; he's just isn't what he used to be, and Gardner is just a bench player.

Ben Jones still plays like a rookie, and he can use some help, too.
I wish Kubiak had played Brooks more. He did a better Job against Big Vince; he could have used a few more snaps, maybe even to spell Wade Smith here and there.

Or we can use a healthy Caldwell, too.
But I don't think he'll be healthy enough at the moment.

[Everlong]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

If we know the weaknesses of the opposing defense, why don't we attack them? Combined, how many targets did OD & Casey have? They should have been featured in the game.

I was really worried about OD going into the game. I was shocked they didn't run play action especially on first down with him spilling off the line into the flat.

As far as Dennard, yes he was a 7th round but only because of off the field issues. A week before the draft a lot of people myself included had him going in the second round and a few even saying he could go the end of the first.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Everlong

As far as Dennard, yes he was a 7th round but only because of off the field issues. A week before the draft a lot of people myself included had him going in the second round and a few even saying he could go the end of the first.

He's still a rookie & we're still talking about Andre.