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Old 12-05-2012   #121
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The last pickup we had midseason off the street who wore number 30 worked out pretty decent for us. Hopefully he can give us some of what Allen brought to the table last year. Our scheme isn't complicated in the secondary because we play so much Man coverage. I expect him to see the field Monday.
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The last pickup we had midseason off the street who wore number 30 worked out pretty decent for us. Hopefully he can give us some of what Allen brought to the table last year. Our scheme isn't complicated in the secondary because we play so much Man coverage. I expect him to see the field Monday.
OK, cool. You answered part of my question. Where's he most likely to play? I'm thinking if JJo can't go then KJ will get the #1 and Routt will take the #2 outside with noflyzone in the slot. Is that what folks are thinking as well, or something completely different?
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OK, cool. You answered part of my question. Where's he most likely to play? I'm thinking if JJo can't go then KJ will get the #1 and Routt will take the #2 outside with noflyzone in the slot. Is that what folks are thinking as well, or something completely different?
We very rarely have our Corners follow players around the field so I'd expect that to be the case on Monday. They'll likely figure out where Routt is more comfortable on the field and leave him there. JJo playing will dictate how much he's gonna be on the field to be honest with you. If JJo plays expext Routt to rotate in with him to not overwork him and keep him fresh similar to how we rotated Allen and KJ last year. I anticipate Harris playing in the slot all game. I just think he's more suited for that role than any of our other corners.

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How could a player learn the terms of another teams defense so fast for Monday. Wouldn't it be a dead giveaway when he is on the field then were definitely in man coverage or does that matter because we don't play much zone or disguise what the backend is doing. I really have no clue how often we play man because I was a basketball and baseball player in my youth . But I have seen samples of playbooks that y'all have posted from teams from the 90s or something and they seem really daunting to learn. I know he probably has ran every play imaginable but don't they kinda scream at each the play after the offense is set up or kinda on the fly as to say. This is a honest question that I have no clue about.
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If Routt gets on field I expect him to play off WR a bit and try not give up big play. I am concerned he might try to prove his worth and take too much risk going for INT.
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How could a player learn the terms of another teams defense so fast for Monday. Wouldn't it be a dead giveaway when he is on the field then were definitely in man coverage or does that matter because we don't play much zone or disguise what the backend is doing. I really have no clue how often we play man because I was a basketball and baseball player in my youth . But I have seen samples of playbooks that y'all have posted from teams from the 90s or something and they seem really daunting to learn. I know he probably has ran every play imaginable but don't they kinda scream at each the play after the offense is set up or kinda on the fly as to say. This is a honest question that I have no clue about.
Routt has learned a lot of different schemes and techniques by now.

The concept that Wade brings is really quite simple if the guys are veterans.
He combines the zone concept and the man concept together in such a way that allows guys to play fast without thinking too much.

In basketball it's like switched man defense.
You're playing zone without even knowing that you are in zone.

From there, he works backward.
After you're familiar with it all, you can play more effective zone.
You learn to stretch your zone in a natural way that is just the same concept; the implementation is just a reverse of the previous process.

It is not easy to describe, but I can see that once you're in it for a little while, it will become quite natural.
Much sooner than a guy who play man coverage all his life being trusted into a zone scheme that he's not familiar with.

It still takes a little time, but for a vet who had seen both, it shouldn't take long.
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Routt has learned a lot of different schemes and techniques by now.

The concept that Wade brings is really quite simple if the guys are veterans.
He combines the zone concept and the man concept together in such a way that allows guys to play fast without thinking too much.

In basketball it's like switched man defense.
You're playing zone without even knowing that you are in zone.

From there, he works backward.
After you're familiar with it all, you can play more effective zone.
You learn to stretch your zone in a natural way that is just the same concept; the implementation is just a reverse of the previous process.

It is not easy to describe, but I can see that once you're in it for a little while, it will become quite natural.
Much sooner than a guy who play man coverage all his life being trusted into a zone scheme that he's not familiar with.

It still takes a little time, but for a vet who had seen both, it shouldn't take long.
So, what 'cha thinkin' here 76? 1/2 a quarter, a full 1/2?
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If Routt gets on field I expect him to play off WR a bit and try not give up big play. I am concerned he might try to prove his worth and take too much risk going for INT.
I hope he does, we have pretty good safties and i'm sure that the CBs will have plenty of help. Hopefully his risks pay off, never know who the next game changer might be.
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I hope he does, we have pretty good safties and i'm sure that the CBs will have plenty of help. Hopefully his risks pay off, never know who the next game changer might be.
Unlike what I've seen in most games so far, one of our safeties seem to always be playing up close....and our remaining safety has been left to try to cover both CBs over the top..........won't work with a prolific passer like Brady. I don't want to see our CBs as the last line of defense with Brady......they will eventually get killed, no matter who they are.
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Unlike what I've seen in most games so far, one of our safeties seem to always be playing up close....and our remaining safety has been left to try to cover both CBs over the top..........won't work with a prolific passer like Brady. I don't want to see our CBs as the last line of defense with Brady......they will eventually get killed, no matter who they are.
Yeah i know but i dont see them playing close to the line much this game if so we are in deep **** and it will turn into a shoot out. Wade needs to trust the D-Line and LBs to get pressure on Brady and let the safties roam the field to help the CBs.
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We very rarely have our Corners follow players around the field so I'd expect that to be the case on Monday.
I think wade has been having our corners follow a specific man more than we have in the past.
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I think wade has been having our corners follow a specific man more than we have in the past.
I've only seen us do it 2 or 3 out of 12 games this year that I can think of. That's not a high percentage at all. But you're right in that its more than what we did last year.
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Unlike what I've seen in most games so far, one of our safeties seem to always be playing up close....and our remaining safety has been left to try to cover both CBs over the top..........won't work with a prolific passer like Brady. I don't want to see our CBs as the last line of defense with Brady......they will eventually get killed, no matter who they are.
For Wade to keep both safeties back, the front 4-5 are gonna have to have a whale of a game and make Brady uncomfortable quickly. The front 7 will also have to stop a pretty good running game. NE uses a good amount of PA, so they safeties will have to be very disciplined.
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Unlike what I've seen in most games so far, one of our safeties seem to always be playing up close....and our remaining safety has been left to try to cover both CBs over the top..........won't work with a prolific passer like Brady. I don't want to see our CBs as the last line of defense with Brady......they will eventually get killed, no matter who they are.
eh..... I've seen our safeties in the exact formation you described before the snap, then after the snap the one close to the line drops into deep underneath coverage while the CB stays on top one the same side, while the other rolls over the top of the other side where the CBs stay under the recievers.

I've also seen where they are both high before the snap, but one or both move up into under coverage while the CBs stay on top.

I've seen our DBs completely change the actual coverage they are in from the look they gave before snap.

Tom Brady isn't perfect. Our window of opportunity may be smaller, but he's stoppable. They've already lost three games this year & chances are they'll lose another before the end of the season. Our defense is as good as any other & our offense is better than most.

May as well be Monday night they get their 4th loss.
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eh..... I've seen our safeties in the exact formation you described before the snap, then after the snap the one close to the line drops into deep underneath coverage while the CB stays on top one the same side, while the other rolls over the top of the other side where the CBs stay under the recievers.

I've also seen where they are both high before the snap, but one or both move up into under coverage while the CBs stay on top.

I've seen our DBs completely change the actual coverage they are in from the look they gave before snap.

Tom Brady isn't perfect. Our window of opportunity may be smaller, but he's stoppable. They've already lost three games this year & chances are they'll lose another before the end of the season. Our defense is as good as any other & our offense is better than most.


May as well be Monday night they get their 4th loss.
That may be all well and good. But I've seen our CBs beaten too often in critical situations with a single safety not being there over the top or getting there too late. And if we bring in that safety because of an inadequate front 7 pass rush or run D, expect to see Brady slice up our CBs better than Emeril on the Food Network.
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I've only seen us do it 2 or 3 out of 12 games this year that I can think of. That's not a high percentage at all. But you're right in that its more than what we did last year.
If you're talking about shadowing a guy the whole game (or pretty much the whole game like in box-and-one) the way we had Jackson shadowing Dexter McCluster a couple of years ago, then no, we don't.

We could be in man for a large part of the game, but we always sprinkle in something here and there to keep the QB guessing.

Troy Aikman used to talk about this in different game when I studied the Cowboys' tape when we first hired Wade.
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That may be all well and good. But I've seen our CBs beaten too often in critical situations with a single safety not being there over the top or getting there too late. And if we bring in that safety because of an inadequate front 7 pass rush or run D, expect to see Brady slice up our CDs better than Emeril on the Food Network.
That's why having JJo is important.
(I like Routt, too - when he gets acclimated with the scheme, I believe he can do it as well.)

We disguise our coverage and mix in different things to try to confuse the QB.
Two good CBs and a single high safety are normally enough to cover 2 WRs.

Once in a while, the safety will be a liitle out of position; like Demps was shading a bit too much to the other side, and was held off by a fraction of a sec by the QB's look; but if KJax didn't jump the inside, he should be able to cover the receiver well enough for Demps to come over the top.

It gives us the flexibility in the pass rush by bringing different guys (including the safety or the nickel back) every time.

The blitz in turn, was supposed to help the CBs.

Sometimes you lose; most time, it give you the edge, and you win more.

It's much more exciting to watch then the old cover 2 of Richard Smith and Frank Bush.
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So, what 'cha thinkin' here 76? 1/2 a quarter, a full 1/2?
I think he can play right away in a platoon situation, really.
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I've only seen us do it 2 or 3 out of 12 games this year that I can think of. That's not a high percentage at all. But you're right in that its more than what we did last year.

I don't know how many times we do it now, but we never used to do it...

But I know that last year in both Baltimore match ups our guys were following specific receivers around.

And I believe in the ATL game JJO was on Roddy White the entire game.

I think it happens more than you think it happens.

In the Detroit game this year they were following certain receivers...

Some of that may be due to WR's lining up in the same position on every snap, but we've heard the team come out and specifically say certain guys were assigned to particular WR's....

That was my point.

I don't think you can say with any kind of certainty that they won't assign guys in this game.
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