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Old 11-30-2012   #21
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The issue here is Watt tackled and it was deemed illegal. The NFL needs to put flags on the QBs if this was worth $15750. He can't hit him low. He can't him high and now he can't hit him in the chest. Where else can he hit him? The released this now so all the talk shows could not hammer the league on this because they know damn well they are in the wrong.

I am stunned, this is such total and complete BS. Everyone needs to tweet Roger he is a moron.
I agree completely, man. It really seems like a hypocritical policy when the league is fining players for hits that are exactly the same as the ones on the videos they send to teams every year showing legal hits.

It does make you wonder if QBs are eventually going to be untouchable. If/when that happens, I stop watching altogether.
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Wow. Just Fk wow !
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$10K for an ILLEGAL block ripping someone's knee up and ending their season, $30K for a kick in the jewels that was deemed not intentional but we'll fine him anyway, and now $16K for a LEGAL tackle. This is just getting dumb.

Suh's take down of Schaub where he almost broke his legs in half was way worse than Watt's LEGAL tackle. I've seen scary, violent jerking of the facemask, that don't even get flagged in the game, never get fined. I think it happened to Foster last year against the Ravens. Almost ripped his head off his shoulders, the refs missed it, and I don't recall a fine being levied.

I mean, I'd halfway buy that the league is concerned about safety if they were somewhat consistant with it, but they aren't even close.

Goodell is a joke.
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Picture of the hit (from PFT). Looks like a textbook clean tackle to me.
Helmet hitting QB's facemask. Fine.
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Lame.

I seriously am just amazed/pissed with Watt being fined for that hit.

I heard that Stafford suffered severe vaginal bleeding as a result of the hit, so that might have something to do with it.
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Lame.

I seriously am just amazed/pissed with Watt being fined for that hit.

I heard that Stafford suffered severe vaginal bleeding as a result of the hit, so that might have something to do with it.
And the store was out of Manpax. What a shame.
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Makes on sence....no flag on hit...but still gets fined...NFL is overreacting big time.....NFL is getting softer and softer.......by the game....
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Makes on sence....no flag on hit...but still gets fined...NFL is overreacting big time.....NFL is getting softer and softer.......by the game....
Was the same way with the Cushing hit, of course that one looked intentional. I dont see how they can see that hit and say Watt did anything wrong, yet they didnt do anything about SUH almost breaking Schaub in half.
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Dick Butkus was on our airwaves yesterday during one of the afternoon sports shows. They asked him about the 'wussification' of the league, and he said that he can see both sides of it. On the one hand, the league risks over-regulating everything to the point where some of the fundamental aspects are being altered. But, he also understood the drive toward a safer sport as more and more studies are coming out about brain trauma and long-term effects on player health.

He said as along as they tackle, then the basic nature of the sport will stay the same. When they stop tackling and hitting, then we are looking at a completely different game.
Yeah, I heard the interview. Very good info from him.

But something he also said which I have been saying is that players shouldn't be fined for incidental contact to the helmet...

I completely understand and I'm in line with his thinking. You gotta protect guys. But the NFL has shown a pattern of fining guys for physics.

You can't do that. Well...you can...But like I said just won't watch...
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Lame.

I seriously am just amazed/pissed with Watt being fined for that hit.

I heard that Stafford suffered severe vaginal bleeding as a result of the hit, so that might have something to do with it.
Funny.
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NFL just swinging wild as usual.

This really sounds like some butt hurt Lions at work. Like, boo hoo they came after our guy well we'll get theirs too! Except when we say "incidental contact to the head" we're referring to legal tackles, not man-card violations.

Hey, Brian Cushing, want some motivation to get back in shape and play next year??? Your knee is only worth 10,000. Matt Stafford's facemask is worth 15,000. So.....yeah.
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Man-card, LOL. That's a good one.
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Who, exactly, does these reviews and makes these determinations? Is it really Goodell or some committee made up of replacement refs?

Seriously... who, exactly, makes the call?
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Doesn't really matter to me whether something was flagged or not in a game. Refs make horrible calls all the time. A play should be judged on the merits of the play and not on what the ref thought who got one view of it at full speed from whatever angle he had, if he even saw it all.

I've supported the NFL on a lot of the safety measures. I don't have a problem with asking the secondary to not launch at heads, to not hit the head on blind side blocks when a hard block somewhere less damaging would be plenty, etc.

But this time I'm just beside myself. Watt is pretty much a poster child for the kind of responsible but hard play the NFL wants. This play was a textbook play they should be teaching from, of not aiming high, of tackling the QB's body. It's one thing if a ref in the game can't tell violent vs incidental contact between helmets at full speed. The NFL front office watching on replays have no excuse for getting it this wrong.
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Who, exactly, does thesereduce or elim reviews and makes these determinations? Is it really Goodell or some committee made up of replacement refs?

Seriously... who, exactly, makes the call?
NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson, and assistant director of operations Merton Hanks are the ones I believe that review the tape and determine the fines. Ted Cottrell reviews the player appeals.
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THis is a joke of a fine.


I haven't thought that Goodell was that bad like others have until earlier this season when it took him so long to get that whole ordeal done with with the officials. That stuff was really effecting the games and costing a lot of people money with the wrong teams winning and everything.
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This year, the fines imposed by the NFL against players who have done things on the field they arguably shouldn’t have done have taken on a bizarre level of specificity.

The specificity comes not on a case-by-case basis, but from the agreement reached by the league and the NFLPA regarding the minimum amounts for various infractions.

Leg whip, roughing the passer? $15,750 minimum.
I disagree with any fine but at least it was the minimum.
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