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Old 12-01-2012   #21
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I wonder if the Texan's players will make any comments on this tragedy......so sad....

Poor little baby without any parents. I wonder if there will be any funds to help raise her - b/c life insurance does not pay when there is suicide involved.
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Sad story my condolences to the families.

Peter King story about incident
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This is an extremely PAINFUL thread to read. For those of us who have had to live with the pain of a loved one commiting such a horrible act, it's very hard to read all the negative comments. After my sister killed herself, and her three children, it took YEARS of therapy for me to accept that she wasn't a coward, she truly just snapped, and reality didn't exist for her anymore. I'm not going into any detail because it brings back to many painful memories, which brings up my reason for posting on his thread at all.

It's the LIVING that has to suffer the pain, not the dead. Yes, it's easy to call this man a coward, but, no family member needs to hear that right now, nor do they want to believe their loved one could do such a horrible thing. A persons psyche can only take so much when they have to deal with such pain. Whether this man was a coward or not will always remain a matter of opinion. Just remember, it's the living that is suffering, and negative comments only intensifies the grief. The pain this family will suffer will NEVER end, so it is my prayer that God will give them the strength to get through each day, one day at a time. They have a long road ahead of them.
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Poor little baby without any parents. I wonder if there will be any funds to help raise her - b/c life insurance does not pay when there is suicide involved.
The suicide clause generally only applies to the first two years of a life insurance policy.
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Prayers to his personal, team and family of friends. I see this as an unexplainable tragedy and a lot of pain before and since the incident. Based on the interviews conducted on ESPN, those close to him are at a loss why he entered such a state of dispair, and there was nothing in his history to suggest he would have made that choice.
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The girlfriend was actually a Texas girl who grew up in Garland then moved to Austin before moving to KC.
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This is an extremely PAINFUL thread to read. For those of us who have had to live with the pain of a loved one commiting such a horrible act, it's very hard to read all the negative comments. After my sister killed herself, and her three children, it took YEARS of therapy for me to accept that she wasn't a coward, she truly just snapped, and reality didn't exist for her anymore. I'm not going into any detail because it brings back to many painful memories, which brings up my reason for posting on his thread at all.

It's the LIVING that has to suffer the pain, not the dead. Yes, it's easy to call this man a coward, but, no family member needs to hear that right now, nor do they want to believe their loved one could do such a horrible thing. A persons psyche can only take so much when they have to deal with such pain. Whether this man was a coward or not will always remain a matter of opinion. Just remember, it's the living that is suffering, and negative comments only intensifies the grief. The pain this family will suffer will NEVER end, so it is my prayer that God will give them the strength to get through each day, one day at a time. They have a long road ahead of them.
I don't wish this on my worst enemy. Sorry for what you and your family endured.

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I will never understand what makes a human being get to this point. And its the kid I truly weep for. He has to grow up with this legacy now, not to mention not having either parent.
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I don't make very many blankets statemenst so I never claim that anyone who commits suicide is automatically a coward.

His act was cowardly because he did not choose the option of suicide until authorities (team officials and police) were surrounding him. in the face of taking the punishment for what was a terrible night and morning, he thought it better than to admit his sins to thank the chiefs and pull the trigger.
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I haven't really had a chance to comment on this but I did hear about it while I was out and about doing Saturday things.....

First off, thoughts and prayers to both families & friends...

Second, I just don't understand it. This guy, an undrafted FA had actually made an impact, i.e. he made some great plays for the lowly Chiefs... WTF makes a man do this???

Truly sad.
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I wonder if the Texan's players will make any comments on this tragedy......so sad....

Poor little baby without any parents. I wonder if there will be any funds to help raise her - b/c life insurance does not pay when there is suicide involved.
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This is just too much to read and fathom.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-news...8942--nfl.html

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- It began like any other Saturday for the Kansas City Chiefs during the NFL season, their general manager and coach at work early to put final touches on this weekend's gameplan. Then they got a call to hurry to the parking lot.

The two men rushed through the glass doors of Chiefs headquarters and came face-to-face with linebacker Jovan Belcher, holding a handgun to his head.

Belcher had already killed his girlfriend and sped the short distance to Arrowhead Stadium, right past a security checkpoint guarding the entrance. Upon finding his bosses, Belcher thanked general manager Scott Pioli and head coach Romeo Crennel for giving him a chance in the NFL. Then he turned away and pulled the trigger.

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Wasn't his mother, it was the victims mother.
IDEXAN, that's how it was originally reported, but it was actually his mother.
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This is an extremely PAINFUL thread to read. For those of us who have had to live with the pain of a loved one commiting such a horrible act, it's very hard to read all the negative comments. After my sister killed herself, and her three children, it took YEARS of therapy for me to accept that she wasn't a coward, she truly just snapped, and reality didn't exist for her anymore. I'm not going into any detail because it brings back to many painful memories, which brings up my reason for posting on his thread at all.

It's the LIVING that has to suffer the pain, not the dead. Yes, it's easy to call this man a coward, but, no family member needs to hear that right now, nor do they want to believe their loved one could do such a horrible thing. A persons psyche can only take so much when they have to deal with such pain. Whether this man was a coward or not will always remain a matter of opinion. Just remember, it's the living that is suffering, and negative comments only intensifies the grief. The pain this family will suffer will NEVER end, so it is my prayer that God will give them the strength to get through each day, one day at a time. They have a long road ahead of them.

Firstly, my condolences to both of the families as well as to Chiefs nation. I'm also sorry for what you had to go through SheTexan, I can only imagine what you and your family have gone through and I'm sorry for your loss.

You hit the nail on the head with the bold portion and you are absolutely correct! I have seen people that were very down to earth, religious etc etc just snap or couldn't take it anymore and chose to take their own lives.

This doesn't just happen to people with "issues" it can happen to perfectly normal people because for the most part, a person can look normal on the outside but on the inside their is so much going on its difficult to fathom.
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WTF makes a man do this???
I don't know, I see these as domestic violence. Ultimate act of control.

But being a football player, I have to wonder about brain injury contributing to a diminished mental state?
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The girlfriend was actually a Texas girl who grew up in Garland then moved to Austin before moving to KC.
She was a cousin of RB Jamaal Charles' wife, who introduced them.
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This is an extremely PAINFUL thread to read. For those of us who have had to live with the pain of a loved one commiting such a horrible act, it's very hard to read all the negative comments. After my sister killed herself, and her three children, it took YEARS of therapy for me to accept that she wasn't a coward, she truly just snapped, and reality didn't exist for her anymore. I'm not going into any detail because it brings back to many painful memories, which brings up my reason for posting on his thread at all.

It's the LIVING that has to suffer the pain, not the dead. Yes, it's easy to call this man a coward, but, no family member needs to hear that right now, nor do they want to believe their loved one could do such a horrible thing. A persons psyche can only take so much when they have to deal with such pain. Whether this man was a coward or not will always remain a matter of opinion. Just remember, it's the living that is suffering, and negative comments only intensifies the grief. The pain this family will suffer will NEVER end, so it is my prayer that God will give them the strength to get through each day, one day at a time. They have a long road ahead of them.
Thank you for sharing.

His suicide I can 'understand' as in the action of a person not doing well. It's tragic and very sad. The murder of the girlfriend and mother to his 3mth old baby, and the subsequent suicide in front of two other people, that I cannot understand.

All in all a horrible, terrible and sad story, it hurts all.

Family and friends are in my thoughts.
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This is an extremely PAINFUL thread to read. For those of us who have had to live with the pain of a loved one commiting such a horrible act, it's very hard to read all the negative comments. After my sister killed herself, and her three children, it took YEARS of therapy for me to accept that she wasn't a coward, she truly just snapped, and reality didn't exist for her anymore. I'm not going into any detail because it brings back to many painful memories, which brings up my reason for posting on his thread at all.

It's the LIVING that has to suffer the pain, not the dead. Yes, it's easy to call this man a coward, but, no family member needs to hear that right now, nor do they want to believe their loved one could do such a horrible thing. A persons psyche can only take so much when they have to deal with such pain. Whether this man was a coward or not will always remain a matter of opinion. Just remember, it's the living that is suffering, and negative comments only intensifies the grief. The pain this family will suffer will NEVER end, so it is my prayer that God will give them the strength to get through each day, one day at a time. They have a long road ahead of them.
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Who really knows if it was a "flash act" ? Perhaps it was premeditated, an option he'd been contemplating for sometime ? We will never know will we ?
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When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?

We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that’s fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us. Hopefully people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis.”
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