Brandon Harris Penalty on Punt

[IDEXAN]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

but damn that was a good hit.

Actually it was probably too good. I really think that's what precipitated the
flag(s) more than anything else by the refs. Hey you got to know they were given specific instructions on Thanksgiving day with huge TV audiences in attendance to flag any plays that represented especially aggressive
or violent impact, and that's what Harris was primarily guilty of doing.

[76Texan]

Don't forget that there's another ruled called the spearing rule.

Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)

Accordingly, it is unnecessary roughness to "spear" (i.e., use the helmet as a weapon against any player) on any play, regardless of whether the player is in a defenseless position.

http://nflspearhead.blogspot.com/

Under that rule, if the ref deemed that Harris was going up with the facemask part of his helmet at the chin strap of the opponent, they can still call a penalty (just under a different rule.)

[ralph]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

But that wasnt really my point, all these has been players who are now broke are suing the NFL, not a big surprise. Kinda like that burgular 5-10 years ago who fell on a knife in this ladies kitchen while breaking into her house and sued her and won. I mean we can all agree our legal system has become a big joke.

Except that never happened. Urban legend.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Don't forget that there's another ruled called the spearing rule.

Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)

Accordingly, it is unnecessary roughness to "spear" (i.e., use the helmet as a weapon against any player) on any play, regardless of whether the player is in a defenseless position.

http://nflspearhead.blogspot.com/

Under that rule, if the ref deemed that Harris was going up with the facemask part of his helmet at the chin strap of the opponent, they can still call a penalty (just under a different rule.)

A spearing call would have made more sense.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by ralph

Except that never happened. Urban legend.

Well many of burgulars have sued the home owners of whom they were robbing and won. Just look it up, Kinda like VY who is now broke suing his book keeper.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Well many of burgulars have sued the home owners of whom they were robbing and won. Just look it up,

Every purported story I have ever seen has turned out to be false. If you have some confirmed ones then by all means provide them.

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

He didn't call for a fair catch as I remember it. Once he makes the decision not to call it, and to catch the ball, he must be given the opportunity to catch the ball and "set" before he can be hit..........just like a defenseless receiver.

Now let me see, special teams kicking team as I remember it:

a. When the ball leaves the tee you become a missle following that football.

b.The members of the kicking team assigned to block are moving obstacles you are to evade as you follow the ball to it's intended receiver.

c. As the ball gets closer TO the kick return man watch him. If he steps away from the path of the ball or raises his hand to signal fair catch, you mission is aborted.

d. If the return man FAILS to do EITHER of the aforementioned, the second that ball lands in his hands and he shifts his weight even a fraction of a millimeter it is YOUR job as a member of the kicking team...to break every bone in that muff-hugga's body!

Now in the play I watched:

a. The return man DID NOT remove himself from the path of the ball

b. The return man DID NOT wave for a fair catch

c. The return man DID make a catch

d. The return man DID shift his weight and prepare to advance the ball

&

e. (and this is the IMPORTANT part) Got his 3itch @$$ knocked the VUGG OUT by a member of the kicking team who was doing his DAMNED JOB!


For the sake of argument...I'd have to see the hit again, but I thought it was clean.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

Now let me see, special teams kicking team as I remember it:

a. When the ball leaves the tee you become a missle following that football.

b.The members of the kicking team assigned to block are moving obstacles you are to evade as you follow the ball to it's intended receiver.

c. As the ball gets closer TO the kick return man watch him. If he steps away from the path of the ball or raises his hand to signal fair catch, you mission is aborted.

d. If the return man FAILS to do EITHER of the aforementioned, the second that ball lands in his hands and he shifts his weight even a fraction of a millimeter it is YOUR job as a member of the kicking team...to break every bone in that muff-hugga's body!

Now in the play I watched:

a. The return man DID NOT remove himself from the path of the ball

b. The return man DID NOT wave for a fair catch

c. The return man DID make a catch

d. The return man DID shift his weight and prepare to advance the ball

&

e. (and this is the IMPORTANT part) Got his 3itch @$$ knocked the VUGG OUT by a member of the kicking team who was doing his DAMNED JOB!


For the sake of argument...I'd have to see the hit again, but I thought it was clean.

Holy cow! Let me assure you that the trail of piss leading to your cereal bowl this morning was not mine!

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Every purported story I have ever seen has turned out to be false. If you have some confirmed ones then by all means provide them.

Dead burglar's family awarded $75,000:

LINK

Burglar sues California homeowner who returned fire:

LINK

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

Dead burglar's family awarded $75,000:

LINK

Burglar sues California homeowner who returned fire:

LINK

That is some great support for the assertion "many have sued and won."

You had to reach back a decade for the 1st one and it is a booby trap case. Every state prohibits booby traps.

The second story is sketchy as it sounds like he is being sued for shooting someone who was surrendering. Whatever the facts are it is only a suit, not someone who won.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

That is some great support for the assertion "many have sued and won."

It was actually more of a rebuttal to: "Every purported story I have ever seen has turned out to be false. If you have some confirmed ones then by all means provide them."

You are correct that the second example has yet to be fully litigated.

Regardless, you now have at least one example of a burglary victim who has had to pay for protecting his property and thus you can no longer say that every purported story has turned out to be false.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

It was actually more of a rebuttal to: "Every purported story I have ever seen has turned out to be false. If you have some confirmed ones then by all means provide them."

You are correct that the second example has yet to be fully litigated.

Regardless, you now have at least one example of a burglary victim who has had to pay for protecting his property and thus you can no longer say that every purported story has turned out to be false.

Nope. Booby traps are prohibited. I didn't take the post I responded to as referring to people protecting their property by committing a crime.

I was referring to urban legends like stepping on a skateboard coming in through a window or falling through a skylight onto a knife block.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Nope. Booby traps are prohibited. I didn't take the post I responded to as referring to people protecting their property by committing a crime.

I was referring to urban legends like stepping on a skateboard coming in through a window or falling through a skylight onto a knife block.

There was no booby trap disclaimer stated earlier in the thread.

[bshep86]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

It was actually more of a rebuttal to: "Every purported story I have ever seen has turned out to be false. If you have some confirmed ones then by all means provide them."

You are correct that the second example has yet to be fully litigated.

Regardless, you now have at least one example of a burglary victim who has had to pay for protecting his property and thus you can no longer say that every purported story has turned out to be false.

EllisUnit did say "homeowners" and not "property owners," and business/property law is different than home laws.

The other part of it was that this wasn't some unintentional thing like "slipping and falling on a knife." The property owner was rigging a deadly trap to protect property. (I say deadly because we are a 110 volt standard county).

So the whole "slipping and falling on a knife" and this don't equate.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

There was no booby trap disclaimer stated earlier in the thread.

Whatever. If you or Ellis want to continue this conversation we can do it in the No Spin Zone.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Whatever. If you or Ellis want to continue this conversation we can do it in the No Spin Zone.

Yeah, I'm gonna let it go because I've done a crapload of searching and I'm finding it impossible to find an example of a burglar who has won a judgment for an injury sustained during a break-in where there wasn't a booby trap.

Except for, maybe, Bodine v Enterprise High School , in which a burglar fell through a skylight and sued and won.

But the case is 30 years old and clouded in three decades worth of misinformation and spin.