Uno Amigo Texan 2013 Mock

[Specnatz]

I have not watched much of Kasa and have watched Cotten, and while he would be slower than that I can only make a judgement on what I know versus what I can read.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Specnatz

I have not watched much of Kasa and have watched Cotten, and while he would be slower than that I can only make a judgement on what I know versus what I can read.

I realize that, I find it hard if not impossible to watch everything & Buffalo program is pretty suckie. Here is a clip against WSU, not a whole lot of content so I'll spare you & recap three plays Kasa stands out. First one he sets the edge on the goaline creating gap for the RB to score on another running play he makes the block springing RB Tony Jones 84 yards for score. He also caught a seam route over the top on right hash mark 70 yards for a TD.

[Honoring Earl 34]

I think they fix the front 7 before they touch the secondary . If I was going to be offense oriented I'd take the ND TE 1st along with your 2nd and 3rd picks .

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

I think they fix the front 7 before they touch the secondary . If I was going to be offense oriented I'd take the ND TE 1st along with your 2nd and 3rd picks .

Some people feel Jonathan Joseph is the most important defensive player on Texans because he can take away another teams #1 WR & force QB's to hold the ball longer. They make a good point but I'm with you in the trenches. But in end just find a player who can impact the game, could be DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, OT, OG, WR, TE etc. & you could be right. Texans have never drafted a big time safety #1. Maybe it's time? For depth purposes, health reasons, playmaking ability, versatility, salary cap implications whatever this area is & has been a concern to me since Texan beginnings. Rhodes is a big time talent with CB cover skills with a nasty streak. Big corners always go early, for a reason, so we'll see but think he will garner a lot attention @ the combine & his pro-day. Probably making this whole discussion/mock mute.

[AngryNateFTW]

I believe I said this in a different thread but why do we consistenly mock draft NT's that are over 315?

Until we start bringing guys in that are in that range i'm not going to believe that Wade is going to want one like that for his defense.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Some people feel Jonathan Joseph is the most important defensive player on Texans because he can take away another teams #1 WR & force QB's to hold the ball longer. They make a good point but I'm with you in the trenches. But in end just find a player who can impact the game, could be DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, FS, SS, QB, RB, OT, OG, WR, TE etc. & you could be right. Texans have never drafted a big time safety #1. Maybe it's time? For depth purposes, health reasons, playmaking ability, versatility, salary cap implications whatever this area is & has been a concern to me since Texan beginnings. Rhodes is a big time talent with CB cover skills with a nasty streak. Big corners always go early, for a reason, so we'll see but think he will garner a lot attention @ the combine & his pro-day. Probably making this whole discussion/mock mute.

I think you have the real deal in JJ Watt and he has to be accounted for . If he's the guy that teams are trying to stop then the other guys aren't winning their 1 v 1 battles .

Next year Quinn , Barwin , and Cody are FAs on defense ? You may have to cut two loose .

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by AngryNateFTW

I believe I said this in a different thread but why do we consistenly mock draft NT's that are over 315?

Until we start bringing guys in that are in that range i'm not going to believe that Wade is going to want one like that for his defense.

This myth has been largely debunked on these boards. While some still believe this to be true, just a quick review of his last 4 NTs show 2 big guys, and 2 smaller guys. He works with what he has, with who has the most talent.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

This myth has been largely debunked on these boards. While some still believe this to be true, just a quick review of his last 4 NTs show 2 big guys, and 2 smaller guys. He works with what he has, with who has the most talent.

Only a few of us pay attention to facts .... the rest listen to the garbage spewed on 610 - 790 - 1560 , ESPN or in the Crapical and form opinions based off of someone elses opinion .... no matter how wrong that opinion might be.

Talking heads > Facts.

[beerlover]

Current Texan nose tackles have all added weight since drafted & plugged into Wade Phillips 3-4. Cody came out of USC, 2005, only 293 lbs now has beefed up to 307. Mitchell was drafted by Texans (pre-Wade) 2010 weighed 296, now is 307 as well. Crick has also seen reps recently, due to injury's & he is only 279 but has added 7 lbs around 287. So even for smallish nose tackles they would like them over 300 lbs close to 310 if they can maintain quickness.

Despite this trend, it is not far fetched & probably fair to say Wade is on the lookout to strengthen this interior position with a bigger body that is athletic, tough, explosive/leverage, ability to hold the point & push the pocket. As noted in UNO Amigo mock I gave a brief description of current status of position. Texans have two hurt (Cody/Hunter) three young/learning (Mitchell/Crick/McClain) who are all around the same size weight ratios. The draft board will weight this position accordingly given due process so going into draft late April they will all be rated who, when & where they would select them.

The key, to me is Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme doesn't have a universal design. Instead of being rooted in "this is the way we do things" he adjusts to talent on hand, exhibiting strengths, in this discussion more quickness than size, but does not preclude a run-plugging monster who could sustain double teams & walk them back to the QB. The rapid turnaround & success he has had here is due to philosophy of adjusting to players on hand, but I believe the longer he is here opportunity via draft will happen so he will have chance to wrap-up defense with an elite prospect to play nose. Other than Nix III its real hard for me to mock another player high this draft once again.

Mid round prospect Anthony White, Michigan State is a solid 330. Strong more than explosive, good hand & foot work to fight/shed blocks. Clean off field, Durable on able to maintains gap control/assignments making him a solid run defender. Battle tested in Big 10 conference which based off last years draft Texans scout (5 picks, Mercilus, Posey, Martin, Crick & Mondek). Really like his consistency week after week despite little help Senior season. He was more disruptive when Jerel Worthy (drafted 2nd rd. 2012) was teammate, so he has flown under the radar, IMO.

[Doppelganger]

Originally Posted by beerlover

First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.

Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.

Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.

Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.

Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.

There is a lot of good stuff here. COmments are nit picking.

1. CB is an interesitng choice in the first. Assuming Joseph stays and Kareem has really picked up his play this year. Are you transitioning him into a slot corner role currently occupied by McCain? Harris and Carmichael are still on the team. Have you given up on them? Are you already thinking about converting to safety?

2. My guy Fluker. LOVE it.

3. Interesting choice going back to the OL. Just drafted Brandon Brooks in third last year. Would taking Kyle suggest team is giving up on Brooks?

3. I like Alonso, but I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB. I see him as a MLB. He is smart enough to call the plays/audibles and could work very well with Cush.

4. Honestly don't know much about him. Will defer to you while i research him.

5. I like the idea of adding a RB. Fresh, healthy, backs are needed for this system. Drafting a RB in the fifth is a great idea. Furthermore, Ware is a great option for the system. A little on the shorter side with size and speed. Can take a 4 yard gain and make it a 20 yarder. Excellent selection!

5. Not sure about White. Yes he is a bigger NT(330) but from what I have seen he is not exactly a penetrator or gap shooter. He seems to be more of a guy who plays the run and tries to take on defenders. He is a good player, but I am not sure if this is the guy Wade would want in this system.

6. TE: check. From Colorado:Check. If he was from CSU, you could pencil him in as a near lock Kubipick! All joking aside he is a good TE with blocking ability and pass catching skills. Not the fastest, but they could work with that.

6. Another kicker. I have Sharp, you have Allen. Allen is a great choice as he actually won the Ray Guy award last year and beat out big leg Jags punter Bryan Anger. ANger went in the 3rd. If Allen wins the Ray Guy award again, would he last this late?

7. Same mindset between us. Both of us have a really good player falling all the way out due to injury. I would have 0 problems with this pick. I would even consider giving him the whole 2013 season to rehab on IR and let him come back fully healed and ready to play in 2014.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

1. CB is an interesitng choice in the first. Assuming Joseph stays and Kareem has really picked up his play this year. Are you transitioning him into a slot corner role currently occupied by McCain? Harris and Carmichael are still on the team. Have you given up on them? Are you already thinking about converting to safety?

talk about a lot here.....
Quoting Rick Smith, "you can never have too many good CB's" that said answers firs question. Rhodes is a big boundary corner who would not have to start immediately (bonus) so he can make a smooth transition into the NFL & Wade Phillips//Vance Joseph system. When JJ aggravates his hamstring or whatever injury occurs to Texan starting duo in comes Xavier, if he earns his chance to start. This will allow Texans to focus resources on another position to retain possible free agents besides CB most notably Brice McCain. I expect Brandon Harris to take over nickle if this happens. Ball is also a free agent. By making one pick early on a top CB prospect Texans can set secondary for years to come.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

2. My guy Fluker. LOVE it.

You forced me to pay more attention to his play & think your right about him holding down RT spot. This frees up Newton to move back to swing tackle & probable rotation to save players legs plus more quality depth @ tackle position. Butler is most likely gone.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

3. Interesting choice going back to the OL. Just drafted Brandon Brooks in third last year. Would taking Kyle suggest team is giving up on Brooks?

Long can become a premier LG. Has nothing to do with Brooks who is a RG prospect. Someday when Myers moves on you could see a Texan OL of Brown/Long/Jones/Brooks/Flucker. With best swing tackle in NFL Newton.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

3. I like Alonso, but I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB. I see him as a MLB. He is smart enough to call the plays/audibles and could work very well with Cush.

Not going to argue with this at all, which is why I say he is a special LB prospect because he is a 3 down LB. Plus in coverage, run support & pass rush.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

4. Honestly don't know much about him. Will defer to you while i research him.

Had to spend some time scouting him, don't follow Duke football. What I found was surprising athletic ability, speed, cutting/route running & yards after the catch. He has better hands than Martin, fundamentally sound & just makes play after play more like Ryan Broyles last year for Oklahoma. Not ever going to be confused as a #1 WR prospect but certainly in mix for a #2 or #3 spot let competition deceide.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

5. I like the idea of adding a RB. Fresh, healthy, backs are needed for this system. Drafting a RB in the fifth is a great idea. Furthermore, Ware is a great option for the system. A little on the shorter side with size and speed. Can take a 4 yard gain and make it a 20 yarder. Excellent selection!

You pretty much nailed it, this is they type of downhill runner in Texans ZBS that could really thrive & hopefully keep healthy because Foster needs less reps to stay fresh & healthy himself.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

5. Not sure about White. Yes he is a bigger NT(330) but from what I have seen he is not exactly a penetrator or gap shooter. He seems to be more of a guy who plays the run and tries to take on defenders. He is a good player, but I am not sure if this is the guy Wade would want in this system.

You read my write-up? Not a penetrating nose but can in this system with better players around him & does have the motor which should keep the rotation fresher late in games.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

6. TE: check. From Colorado:Check. If he was from CSU, you could pencil him in as a near lock Kubipick! All joking aside he is a good TE with blocking ability and pass catching skills. Not the fastest, but they could work with that.

No worries, every year I project a TE only to come up empty so have little to no expectations Texans will draft him. Except if they did, he is big enough to help more in blocking schemes & work into some pass catching reps but primarily a blocker with upside to develop within salary cap limitations better than they presently have on practice squad.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

6. Another kicker. I have Sharp, you have Allen. Allen is a great choice as he actually won the Ray Guy award last year and beat out big leg Jags punter Bryan Anger. ANger went in the 3rd. If Allen wins the Ray Guy award again, would he last this late?

Special teams will be addressed in back to back drafts. First a kicker, Bullock now a kicker Allen or Sharp doesn't matter to me just long as they do it. I'm skeptical given Kubiak's loyalty towards a trusted coach & friend that he would fire Joe without giving him every chance & opportunity imaginable.

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

7. Same mindset between us. Both of us have a really good player falling all the way out due to injury. I would have 0 problems with this pick. I would even consider giving him the whole 2013 season to rehab on IR and let him come back fully healed and ready to play in 2014.

I orginally was looking @ Mauti in 3rd rd. for Texans. Still like Texans addressing ILB in 3rd (Kiko Alonzo) also like Stanford ILB Shayne Skov. If healthy Mauti is in discussion with all three, but with latest injury it really hurts him in next years draft. I also agree with you if drafted to give him essentially they year off to rehab, heck they did it with Sharpton. In the end the Texans would be loaded at a position right now they are thin. Low risk high reward pick.

Thanks so much for your exceptional feedback, time & input

[beerlover]

Spencer Ware, RB LSU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77UHYQZZy_8

Ware is a Junior w/character question marks (suspended in 2011 along with Honey badger & called out by Athletic Department for laziness along with Sam Montgomery). Not Texan Worthy? Maybe but does beg the question if he comes out (suspect he will) how hard do you ding him, fall or take him off draft board all together? His athletic & Football skill would suggest a 3rd rd. grade so projecting him two rounds lower, #160th overall to Texans. When doing background check the pattern was always involved with other teammates, suggesting he is a product of his environment. Young & pliable, in Texan clubhouse he will assume the mantra, improve his work ethic & earn his reps. He doesn't seem like a bad kid to me at all, just very passionate & needing more positive role model. Arian Foster could be his mentor, then tweets like this

Spencer Ware ‏@spenceware11
Adversity causes some people to break and others to break records

[Rey]

Originally Posted by beerlover

First: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State 6'1" 217
Texans like their CB's big & physical so Rhodes sure qualifies. Could also switch over to FS down the road.

Second: D.J. Flucker, RT, Alabama 6'6" 335
Right tackle only prospect, allows Newton to move back into swing role & rotate. Physical run dominante road grader to help solidify right side (careful how you say his name).
Third: Kyle Long, LG, Oregon 6'7" 312
Wade Smith replacement after next season. Son of Howie Long, he plays like his dad with an attitude, high ceiling LG prospect. In short a beast.

Third (comp): Kiko Alonso, ILB/OLB, Oregon 6'3" 242
Going with what I know, Ducks, three down LB who can kick inside or play some OLB. Smart, instinctive, with good range in coverage, blitz & run support. How about some Latino love from Amigo's?
Fourth: Connor Vernon, WR, Duke 6'0" 200
Well rounded, with surprising athletic ability to get open. Also excellent route runner, heady & willing blocker. Think Kevin Walter with speed.

Fifth: Spencer Ware, RB LSU 5'11" 225
Great size/speed combo to replace Tate (likely to be shopped) maintaining much needed depth behind Foster to keep him healthy.
Fifth (comp): Anthony White, NT, Michigan State 6'2" 330
Later than I would like to address nose, but expect Cody to resign on the cheap & Texans picked up Terrell McClain as well have David Hunter stashed away.

Sixth: Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado 6'5 & 5/8" 260
Texans are good @ finding great value for position. Texans are also a bit undersized for position & might benefit from a big body they can mold.
Sixth (comp): Ryan Allen, Punter, Louisiana Tech 6'2" 215
Donnie Jones has been solid but why not bring a big time leg into camp to compete for job next off season? Allen leads nation in punting average 48.04 per pop.
Seventh: Michael Mauti, ILB/OLB, Penn State 6'2" 240
History of knee injury's hurts his draft stock, however if he can get with a team like Texans with excellent medical & rehab facilities he has a chance on returning & contributing both on special teams & provide depth on defense.

Alright...

I like Rhodes and I think I mocked him to us in the first in those way too early mocks we did...

I need to watch more of him though as I want to see if he has the skill set to play in the slot. Because if we take him and he can't then JJo or Kareem may bump inside, and I don't know if that's best.

Fluker is a big boy. I need to see how he moves...

Depending on how Newton finishes out the year this may or may not be a dire need.

I can see a guard being taken there and caldwell being let go. Kind of big for a guard...Tall I mean...But if he plays low it doesn't matter.

Don't know much about the ILB but it's a need...

WR...OK...I'm fine with that...Does he have any shot at making the roster though...don't know much about that player...what is he good at?

I didn't like the Spencer Ware pick when I first looked at it and even started explaining why...but as I was typing I realized that he could be a perfect addition to the team...Not flashy, but solid. Tough runner. Could play special teams and just be a solid guy if needed.

I think Grimes is a better player than he is, but if Tate or Forsett aren't here next year Ware could be a good back up or third RB for us.

Again...don't know much about the player, but NT is a need...Need to see some clips of him.

Same thing for the TE.

Mauti is another guy I mocked for us in those way too early mocks...I like him a lot.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Rey

Alright...

I like Rhodes and I think I mocked him to us in the first in those way too early mocks we did...

I need to watch more of him though as I want to see if he has the skill set to play in the slot. Because if we take him and he can't then JJo or Kareem may bump inside, and I don't know if that's best.

Fluker is a big boy. I need to see how he moves...

Depending on how Newton finishes out the year this may or may not be a dire need.

I can see a guard being taken there and caldwell being let go. Kind of big for a guard...Tall I mean...But if he plays low it doesn't matter.

Don't know much about the ILB but it's a need...

WR...OK...I'm fine with that...Does he have any shot at making the roster though...don't know much about that player...what is he good at?

I didn't like the Spencer Ware pick when I first looked at it and even started explaining why...but as I was typing I realized that he could be a perfect addition to the team...Not flashy, but solid. Tough runner. Could play special teams and just be a solid guy if needed.

I think Grimes is a better player than he is, but if Tate or Forsett aren't here next year Ware could be a good back up or third RB for us.

Again...don't know much about the player, but NT is a need...Need to see some clips of him.

Same thing for the TE.

Mauti is another guy I mocked for us in those way too early mocks...I like him a lot.

Texans must address CB early it can/will be argued but think it's certainly one of this off seasons biggest holes to be filled. Rhodes is a high ceiling player, the type you like, saw him targeted only 4 maybe 5 times last night against Georgia Tech (added another pick) so teams throw opposite direction most often. He has plus size for position, often daring QB to throw his direction which causes him to lose initial contact, a habit easily corrected by a secondary coach like Joseph. He has only played position a couple years converting from WR but unlike most DB's he has excellent hands & ball skills.

Second dire position in need of talent infusion is the OL. Think I'm right on the mark here as well. Drafting two high picks early with starting potential, in OT Flucker 2nd(who plays with passion & motor despite immense size) & OG Long in 3rd would both be on a fast tract to take over starting roles, depth is alarmingly thin.

The LB's stepped up today big time. Not sure this is as big of need as last couple games I watched but Alonzo & Mauti would be excellent additions. Lestar Jean TD was sweet & Walter made outstanding catch of his own yet something is missing here. Need more production @ WR from somebody other than Andre & Vernon Connor could diffidently fill that void.

I would probably flip the nose tackle position with RB pick 5th/6th. I've maintained Forsett is a fine back-up & maybe Texans do to so he can settle down & call Houston home. Nice to see Tate back on the field as well, looking strong & fresh from his month off.

BL

[steelbtexan]

1. Rhodes really like the player, Ansah would be my 1st choice, neither will probably be there at 32.
2. Fluker is a good pick, but there's a major need at WR and one of Patterson/Dobson/Williams will probably be there and a better Value. IMHO
3. Long, great pick and if I had to trade Tate and a 3rd to move up to get him I would. Rare athletic ability for a man his size. Probably could play RT.
3. Alonso, playmaker, he can play any of the LB spots and provides much better depth. Great pick, not sure if he's a BoB kinda guy though.
4. Vernon, know nothing about him, this is where I would try to add depth at CB/RB. There should be a good one available.
5. Ware, like this pick, Latavius Murray, Zac Stacy and Ciere Wood should be candidates as well.
5. White, have seen a little bit of him, looks like a good pick to me.
6. Kasa, he's a guy that blocks with a defensive attitude. I would take him in the 5th. This guy has unlimited potential. Did you get a chance to check out Will Pericak when you were checking out Kasa? Pericak looks like he could be a late rd steal too.
6. Allen, I like the job Jones is doing, Cant see the Texans spending draft pick on a P/K with Bullock on the IR.
7. Mauti, Great pick, I would probably take him in the 6th even if he had to sit out a yr. This guy is a true leader and a lesser version of Sean Lee.

I would be very happy if your mock was the Texans draft. You addressed OL depth in a big way as well as LB. Your late rd guys are high upside guys. All of the needs are met in your mock. Do you get the feeling that the Texans may be using the 3rd/5th and 6th rd picks to move up? There aren't going to be that many roster spots available.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

1. Rhodes really like the player, Ansah would be my 1st choice, neither will probably be there at 32.
2. Fluker is a good pick, but there's a major need at WR and one of Patterson/Dobson/Williams will probably be there and a better Value. IMHO
3. Long, great pick and if I had to trade Tate and a 3rd to move up to get him I would. Rare athletic ability for a man his size. Probably could play RT.
3. Alonso, playmaker, he can play any of the LB spots and provides much better depth. Great pick, not sure if he's a BoB kinda guy though.
4. Vernon, know nothing about him, this is where I would try to add depth at CB/RB. There should be a good one available.
5. Ware, like this pick, Latavius Murray, Zac Stacy and Ciere Wood should be candidates as well.
5. White, have seen a little bit of him, looks like a good pick to me.
6. Kasa, he's a guy that blocks with a defensive attitude. I would take him in the 5th. This guy has unlimited potential. Did you get a chance to check out Will Pericak when you were checking out Kasa? Pericak looks like he could be a late rd steal too.
6. Allen, I like the job Jones is doing, Cant see the Texans spending draft pick on a P/K with Bullock on the IR.
7. Mauti, Great pick, I would probably take him in the 6th even if he had to sit out a yr. This guy is a true leader and a lesser version of Sean Lee.

I would be very happy if your mock was the Texans draft. You addressed OL depth in a big way as well as LB. Your late rd guys are high upside guys. All of the needs are met in your mock. Do you get the feeling that the Texans may be using the 3rd/5th and 6th rd picks to move up? There aren't going to be that many roster spots available.

Thanks SB

65 preaches keeping it simple, clean & not incorporating trades into mock drafts & while I agree with this it's hard not to imagine Texan GM Rick Smith not manipulating draft selection order to maximize more immediate payback, cherry picking latest crop of newbies. Supplemental picks cannot be traded but that doesn't apply to Texan original picks. Rick will keep all his options open, just in case a player higher rated falls in range to move up. Long winded response to your question is yes.

Overall I think we all should be proud of how well this team has come together & exceeded expectations, including both kickers. Something is going on here because both leg strength has increased noticeably. Shane Graham hit the crossbar on a kick-off today unless I'm mistaken & Jones was exceptional pinning ball inside 10 & averaging 48.89 yards (he must be following this thread). All good things for Texans.

[Doppelganger]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Thanks SB

65 preaches keeping it simple, clean & not incorporating trades into mock drafts & while I agree with this it's hard not to imagine Texan GM Rick Smith not manipulating draft selection order to maximize more immediate payback, cherry picking latest crop of newbies. Supplemental picks cannot be traded but that doesn't apply to Texan original picks. Rick will keep all his options open, just in case a player higher rated falls in range to move up. Long winded response to your question is yes.

Overall I think we all should be proud of how well this team has come together & exceeded expectations, including both kickers. Something is going on here because both leg strength has increased noticeably. Shane Graham hit the crossbar on a kick-off today unless I'm mistaken & Jones was exceptional pinning ball inside 10 & averaging 48.89 yards (he must be following this thread). All good things for Texans.

Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.

Hey, that would work too. Either way it's a win win for Texans just that I would like to stay on top after taking so long to get the top if one or two players seal the deal then why not? Patriots made majority of Super Bowls early on in their cycle. Don't have the year in front of me last year they won Super Bowl but think it's been a few years? In the meantime strategy of trading back for more picks hasn't really paid off for them. Except maybe for last draft when they cashed in their chips & actually used them to improve defense.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

Rather than move up, I would rather the Texans move out. Rather than moving up, trade picks this year for a round earlier next year. For example, trade their own 3rd rounder this year, for a 2nd next year or trade a 5th this year for a 4th next year. Be like the Pats and acquire high level picks. Then when you need to make moves/a player too good to pass up is there grab him.

I vote no to trading for '14 draft. We have an opportunity now to strengthen areas of weakness with good candidates. In '14 with good draft now, we should be able to go BPA most rounds.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by badboy

I vote no to trading for '14 draft. We have an opportunity now to strengthen areas of weakness with good candidates. In '14 with good draft now, we should be able to go BPA most rounds.

Honestly I dont think they have the luxury of trading out in favor of a 14 pick with all the guy's that will be FA's this offseason .... they are going to have to fill some significant holes.