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Old 11-24-2012   #41
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And a full season for Landry was 14 games (12 his first year) and not 16 as it has been for Kubiak. Landry got his 56th win in his 108th game. Kubiak's 56th win came in his 106th game.
Excellent, very close still. Thanks for adding accurate accounting.
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He is not. Throw all the nomenclature away and just watch where he lines up and engages. He is not lined up as wide as a typical 4-3, does not spend most of his time trying to rush outside the tackles and routinely engages interior linemen. You don't see Freeney, Allen, etc. taking on OG's. Basically the only time they go between the OT and OG is when they hive split the OT sufficiently far away to cleanly get thru without engaging the OG.

You don't have to look any further than the Lions game. 1st play Watt goes head up on the RG for the sack.

He is a 3-4 DE when we are in our 3-4 package.



Not really. He was a very nice guy with a very intense professional demeanor while coaching. Outside of coaching he was affable and frequently smiling plus did a tremendous amount of charity work.
This is more fitting, but also Idexan brought up another point, that linemen line up at different places on different plays.

Watt can be a 1T, 3T, 4T, 5T
But the 43 WDE (like Barwin under RS) lines up more often as a 7T,
While the 43 SDE (like Mario under RS) lines up more often as a 9T.

These guys are more edge guys while Watt is more of an interior guy.
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profootballfocus produces an overall rating per player based on a multitude of performance metrics cumulatively added (or subtracted) throughout the season. J.j. Watt has far surpassed the highest full season rating any de has had since 2008 (justin smith, 2011, 46.5).

Here are the current ratings of all top des in 2012.
J.j. Watt had a 25.5 overall rating in 2011.

What is notable for watt here is his run rating (31.0) is just as high as his rush rating (35.9), both contributing nearly equally to his astronomical overall rating.
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For their similar size and measurables, jj watt is what Mario should of been from day 1. It's amazing how wanting to be the best makes such a fukn difference.
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Bob Lilly was a great player. But he never had a season like Watt is having. The only guy you could compare Watts season to is Reggie White. Who was also coached by Wade.
I was comparing playing style, attitude and demeanor rather than numbers.

Coincidentally, Lilly and Watt's first NFL scores both came on INT returns.
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For their similar size and measurables, jj watt is what Mario should of been from day 1. It's amazing how wanting to be the best makes such a fukn difference.
Absolutely, the #1 overall should be a game changer. I don't think there was a game changer available in the 2006 draft.
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Holy crap - SI's Jim Trotter doesn't even have JJ in the running for defensive MVP - Link
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Holy crap - SI's Jim Trotter doesn't even have JJ in the running for defensive MVP - Link
The guy must be nut.
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Or maybe when they picked up Arian Foster as an UDFA...?
Or polished that turd into a diamond.
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The guy must be nut.
He has Doug Martin over Luck and RGIII. Move along, nothing to see here.
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To the best of my research:

Watt is #1 in sacks for a 3-4 DE at 13.5
Chandler Jones is #2 at 6.0, which puts him tied at 25th in the league with 8 other people.

Watt is #1 in passes defended for a 3-4 DE at 13 (#6 overall)
Corey Liuget is #2 at 6 which puts him tied at 61 with 31 other people.

Watt is the only DL in the top 46 in passes defended (#6 overall)
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Watt was selected #11th overall Lilly #13th in respective draft class. There are some striking simlarties to early Cowboys. If Texans could add Ryan Kerrigan from Washington he is close to Lilly in terms of motor & hard nosed play.
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Technically, he's playing the 5 tech in a 4-3

Wade's 3-4 has often been called a hybrid. Our base package has 3 down linemen & 4 linebackers like a traditional 3-4. But a 3-4 is generally considered a 2 gap system. Their DE "responsibility" is to attack the 3 gap occupying both the tackle & the guard allowing the LBs to flow to the ball carrier. The 3-4 is designed to stop the run.

Other than the 3 down linemen 4 LBs, Wade's 3-4 has nothing in common with a traditional 3-4. He designs his system to penetrat the LOS & create havoc in the back field.

Our SAM lines up like a SAM in a traditional 4-3, Watt plays the 5 tech like a traditional strong side DE in a 4-3, Our NT shades the Center like a 4-3 NT, Antonio plays the 3 tech like a traditional 4-3 up-tackle.

The only difference between Wade's defensive front & a 4-3 is that the weakside DE also plays the 5 technique, lined up outside the weakside tackle instead of directly over (4 tech). This position is also played by a LB and not a DE, standing up more often than using a 3 point stance.

If you think of Watt as a 4-3 DE, his numbers are more in-line to the position. Still great numbers for a 4-3 DE.

But Watt is really playing 4-3 DE even though he's called a 3-4 DE.
Based on your description of Wade's system, which I agree with, Watt equates to a DT, not a DE.
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Based on your description of Wade's system, which I agree with, Watt equates to a DT, not a DE.
I will say this. When we first drafted Mario, we had notions of moving him all over the line in a 4-3. We'd play him at RDE, LDE, & sometimes move him inside, depending on match-ups.

We "experimented" with that a little bit when he was a rookie. It "appeared" to not have the desired affect, from then on he predominately stayed at Strong-side DE.

Mario simply didn't have the football IQ when he entered the league as Watt did. But I'd have loved to see what a Wade Phillips could do with a rookie Mario, or the 6 years he was here.

All that to say Jj Watt does well, moving all over the defensive front.
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Interesting thread http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nf...-right/page14/
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JJ Watt is a beast, Shawne Merriman was a beast. If JJ can play for 5 or 6 years at this level then he is for real. If his name keeps coming up on IR then we know why he was such a beast. We're playing a guy this week, Jason Pierre Paul that may be the best in the business. Aldon Smith is getting better each week, he has a body type that can get bigger. Something to keep in mind, roids keep evolving to a point where they are almost untraceable unless testing is specific. If it reaches that point the chemists change the formula. The Testing process is several steps behind.
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