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Old 11-24-2012   #21
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Bob Lilly was a great player. But he never had a season like Watt is having. The only guy you could compare Watts season to is Reggie White. Who was also coached by Wade.
You know what's more absurd?

Reggie White collected 23.5 sacks in his first 2 years playing in 36 games.

Watt surpassed that in fewer games.

Anh here's the kicker.
White was playing in the USFL.
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Guilty as charged. As I have said I grew up during the halcyon days in Dallas. I thought about saying Lilly on one side and Randy White on the other.



Landry is my favorite coach. I like Kubiak but he can't pee in Landry's fedora at this point.
Landry is my favorite too, but let's not forget that he didn't post a winning season until his seventh year (the Cowboys went 0-11 in their first season.)

And they had Tex Schramm, arguably the shrewdest man of all time in pro-football.

Some of their players were doing drug. Henderson, for example, confessed he was high during game on a regular basis.
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From AdvancedNFLStats.com, I compare some of Watt's stats agains other DEs (including 4-3 DE) and many of his numbers are simply ridiculous.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/defenderstats.php?pos=DE

All-Pro, and Defensive MVP in the making.

Tackles: 44
The next guy is C Campbell (AZ) with 30

Sacks: 17 (they count 1/2 sack as full)
The next guy is Cameron Wake (Dolphins) with 10

Pass Batted Down: 13
That's equal to the next two guys COMBINED.

QB Hits: 30
The next guy is Wake again, with 21.
The third guy had 15

TFL: 24
Three guys tied for 2nd with 11 each

SIMPLY RIDIKULOUS!


I wonder if we can find the stats for QB Pressure somewhere.
I bet it will be crazy just the same.

I think the above is even more impressive when you factor in that he is a 3-4 DE and not a 4-3 DE (which I think allows you a better opportunity to get sacks, tackles behind the L.O.S.)
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Sack Leaders so far this season..

1. Aldon Smith 15 sacks
2. JJ Watt 14.5 sacks
3. Von Miller 13 sacks
4. DeMarcus Ware 10 sacks
5. Cameron Wake 9.5 sacks

Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks against the Bears.

When you look at that list there is no way JJ Watt (A DE in a 3-4) fits there. He's just that good.
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Guilty as charged. As I have said I grew up during the halcyon days in Dallas. I thought about saying Lilly on one side and Randy White on the other.



Landry is my favorite coach. I like Kubiak but he can't pee in Landry's fedora at this point.
that was a layup, but before I begin my argument which I've had with other friends, lets not forget it took Landry awhile to implement both his style & supporting cast around him. Lets just agree on a couple things here, one that both Tom & Gary are very classy individuals & treat everyone fair & equally. second, record wise Gary is 57-50 through 11th game in his 7th season of tenure as Houston Texans Head Coach. It took Landry 9 Full seasons to reach 56 wins. Third with hiring of Wade Phillips & growth of a young GM Rick Smith, who is secured, doesn't it seem that his supporting cast has evolved & developed nicely around him which is common to all great head coaches, just saying. We could be witnessing something truly great, yet not really fully appreciating how spectacular & great it really is in the moment. Lots of work to do of course, but sure seems like its coming together nicely
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Sack Leaders so far this season..

1. Aldon Smith 15 sacks
2. JJ Watt 14.5 sacks
3. Von Miller 13 sacks
4. DeMarcus Ware 10 sacks
5. Cameron Wake 9.5 sacks

Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks against the Bears.

When you look at that list there is no way JJ Watt (A DE in a 3-4) fits there. He's just that good.
I forgot to mention that many of these teams have played only ten games, but Watt's numbers are still ridiculous.

Aldon can still get more sacks tomorrow.

But look at the other numbers.
Aldon has zero pass defend and 17 QB hits.
Miller has one PD and 18 QB Hits.
Watt's number of tackles for loss also surpass them all by a healthy margin.
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Also, that EPA coefficient that I mentioned.
(Granted Aldon and Von had played one fewer game)

Watt's number is something like 84 plus in 11 games.
Those two guys combined for something like 92 plus in 10 games.

That's how ridiculous it is.
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For some Texans historical perspective. Our 3-4 DE who made the pro bowl:

Gary Walker 2002: 52 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 1 safety.

Watt is 6th in the NFL for passes defensed, 1 away from a tie for 3rd with the 5 guys above him all CB's.

What Watt is doing is epic.
Not to diminish or discount Watt's achievements, but even though he's playing mostly in a 3-4, his alignment is as a 1-gapper and not the more traditional 2-gap alignments run in most 3-4s including what Capers/Fangio ran when in Houston. And of course the single gap alignments allow the lineman a much better opportunity to get at the QB.
However Watt is all over the place on the defensive line and on the Thanksgiving day game in MoTown I observed him at the NT and also on the edge and in between those 2 positions at various times. And I would speculate in a traditional 4-3 1-gap alignment he'd be a DE, not a DT as most 3-4 DEs are in the 4-3.
But he's a tremendous player who has come out of nowhere to be among the top defensive lineman in the league.
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that was a layup, but before I begin my argument which I've had with other friends, lets not forget it took Landry awhile to implement both his style & supporting cast around him. Lets just agree on a couple things here, one that both Tom & Gary are very classy individuals & treat everyone fair & equally. second, record wise Gary is 57-50 through 11th game in his 7th season of tenure as Houston Texans Head Coach. It took Landry 9 Full seasons to reach 56 wins. Third with hiring of Wade Phillips & growth of a young GM Rick Smith, who is secured, doesn't it seem that his supporting cast has evolved & developed nicely around him which is common to all great head coaches, just saying. We could be witnessing something truly great, yet not really fully appreciating how spectacular & great it really is in the moment. Lots of work to do of course, but sure seems like its coming together nicely
When did Rick and Gary become this dynamic duo? Could it be when BoB forced them to hire Wade and with the pick that was gifted him he chose Watt?

As long as Wade stays and Watt stays healthy the Texans will be good/great. Watt is everything MW was supposed to be and more. Watt=MW with a desire/better work ethic.
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When did Rick and Gary become this dynamic duo? Could it be when BoB forced them to hire Wade and with the pick that was gifted him he chose Watt?
Maybe when they went out and got Matt Schaub.
Or maybe when they picked up Arian Foster as an UDFA...?
Or maybe when they saw that Garrett Graham could fill in very nicely for Joel Dreessen....?
Or maybe when they drafted Duane Brown when lots of folks on here thought it was a bad move; and then locked him up long term before he got to free agency...?

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As long as Wade stays and Watt stays healthy the Texans will be good/great. Watt is everything MW was supposed to be and more. Watt=MW with a desire/better work ethic.
I will agree with this paragraph with the following edit. As long as Kubiak/Dennison run the offense and Wade runs the defense the Texans will be good/great. It was Kubiak/Dennison's offense that resulted in the last two victories. Wade's defense, not so much.

I've been saying this since last year: We need them both.

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Sack Leaders so far this season..

1. Aldon Smith 15 sacks
2. JJ Watt 14.5 sacks
3. Von Miller 13 sacks
4. DeMarcus Ware 10 sacks
5. Cameron Wake 9.5 sacks

Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks against the Bears.

When you look at that list there is no way JJ Watt (A DE in a 3-4) fits there. He's just that good.
Technically, he's playing the 5 tech in a 4-3

Wade's 3-4 has often been called a hybrid. Our base package has 3 down linemen & 4 linebackers like a traditional 3-4. But a 3-4 is generally considered a 2 gap system. Their DE "responsibility" is to attack the 3 gap occupying both the tackle & the guard allowing the LBs to flow to the ball carrier. The 3-4 is designed to stop the run.

Other than the 3 down linemen 4 LBs, Wade's 3-4 has nothing in common with a traditional 3-4. He designs his system to penetrat the LOS & create havoc in the back field.

Our SAM lines up like a SAM in a traditional 4-3, Watt plays the 5 tech like a traditional strong side DE in a 4-3, Our NT shades the Center like a 4-3 NT, Antonio plays the 3 tech like a traditional 4-3 up-tackle.

The only difference between Wade's defensive front & a 4-3 is that the weakside DE also plays the 5 technique, lined up outside the weakside tackle instead of directly over (4 tech). This position is also played by a LB and not a DE, standing up more often than using a 3 point stance.

If you think of Watt as a 4-3 DE, his numbers are more in-line to the position. Still great numbers for a 4-3 DE.

But Watt is really playing 4-3 DE even though he's called a 3-4 DE.
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Not to say Jj isn't special.

When lining up with a 4 man front, in our dime package. He's lined up like a 4-3 DT. He's still getting to the QB like Warren Sapp or John Randle.
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that was a layup, but before I begin my argument which I've had with other friends, lets not forget it took Landry awhile to implement both his style & supporting cast around him. Lets just agree on a couple things here, one that both Tom & Gary are very classy individuals & treat everyone fair & equally. second, record wise Gary is 57-50 through 11th game in his 7th season of tenure as Houston Texans Head Coach. It took Landry 9 Full seasons to reach 56 wins. Third with hiring of Wade Phillips & growth of a young GM Rick Smith, who is secured, doesn't it seem that his supporting cast has evolved & developed nicely around him which is common to all great head coaches, just saying. We could be witnessing something truly great, yet not really fully appreciating how spectacular & great it really is in the moment. Lots of work to do of course, but sure seems like its coming together nicely
It's arguable that Landry was a nice guy.

In the NFLN production A Football Life: Tom Landry, the picture painted by former players and others in-the-know, is that Landry was often times cutting in his treatment of players, cold and distant, demanding to the point of being a perfectionist.

He could show signs of being "human," but 99% of the time the guy was as Bill Belichick as they come.

I see Gary Kubiak as being Landry Lite.
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Does anyone have a gif of him arguing with coach Kollar on the sidelines then hulking up for 2 more sacks in crunch time?
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second, record wise Gary is 57-50 through 11th game in his 7th season of tenure as Houston Texans Head Coach. It took Landry 9 Full seasons to reach 56 wins.
And a full season for Landry was 14 games (12 his first year) and not 16 as it has been for Kubiak. Landry got his 56th win in his 108th game. Kubiak's 56th win came in his 106th game.
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Does anyone have a gif of him arguing with coach Kollar on the sidelines then hulking up for 2 more sacks in crunch time?
How do you make a gif. of that?
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ProFootballFocus produces an overall rating per player based on a multitude of performance metrics cumulatively added (or subtracted) throughout the season. J.J. Watt has far surpassed the highest full season rating any DE has had since 2008 (Justin Smith, 2011, 46.5).

Here are the current ratings of all top DEs in 2012.
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1 J.J. Watt HST.................... 650........ 67.2
1 Cameron Wake MIA............. 591........ 37.8
2 Muhammad Wilkerson NYJ..... 646........ 26.7
3 Justin Smith SF.................. 600........ 19.5
4 Calais Campbell ARZ............ 558........ 18.4
5 Jason Hatcher DAL.............. 505........ 18.0

2 Brandon Graham PHI............ 180........ 17.4
3 Charles Johnson CAR........... 532........ 16.4
4 John Abraham ATL.............. 458........ 14.2
5 Jason Pierre-Paul NYG.......... 576........ 13.9

6 Antonio D. Smith HST.......... 554........ 11.4
7 Haloti Ngata BLT................. 557........ 9.6


blue = 3-4 DE
green = 4-3 DE
J.J. Watt had a 25.5 overall rating in 2011.

What is notable for Watt here is his run rating (31.0) is just as high as his rush rating (35.9), both contributing nearly equally to his astronomical overall rating.
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But Watt is really playing 4-3 DE even though he's called a 3-4 DE.
He is not. Throw all the nomenclature away and just watch where he lines up and engages. He is not lined up as wide as a typical 4-3, does not spend most of his time trying to rush outside the tackles and routinely engages interior linemen. You don't see Freeney, Allen, etc. taking on OG's. Basically the only time they go between the OT and OG is when they hive split the OT sufficiently far away to cleanly get thru without engaging the OG.

You don't have to look any further than the Lions game. 1st play Watt goes head up on the RG for the sack.

He is a 3-4 DE when we are in our 3-4 package.

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Sack Leaders so far this season..

1. Aldon Smith 15 sacks
2. JJ Watt 14.5 sacks
3. Von Miller 13 sacks
4. DeMarcus Ware 10 sacks
5. Cameron Wake 9.5 sacks

Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks against the Bears.

When you look at that list there is no way JJ Watt (A DE in a 3-4) fits there. He's just that good.
JJ should've had 15.5 sacks if it weren't for those damn stat nerds.
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