Besides Watt, D-line simply just not getting done this year

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

It certainly looks that way; however, when I look at the numbers from the time Wade was with the Saints, the Broncos, the Falcons, and especially the Bills, the number of sacks generated from the interior positions far exceeded those of the OLBs. This strongly suggest that schemes were involved. We don't know how those various schemes were implemented so it's hard to pinpoint the reason.

JJ Watt certainly looks like a hybrid Reggie White/Bruce Smith/Clyde Simmons type of guy though.

Or maybe the olb's weren't that good at rushing the passer...

I will say this though, the interior guys Probably have more pass rushing opportunities since the Olb's drop in coverage fairly often.

That said, they aren't passing the eyeball test for me. I can see when they aren't rushing and instead playing a read and react technique...but when they do get opportunities to pin their ears back and go they aren't making OT's work very hard.

Especially Brooks Reed.

My thing is, when we know a qb is dropping back to pass, we would benefit greatly by having a guy on the outside that could relieve pressure on the guys on the inside. The OL is bit having to extend itself.

And while there is a shorter path to the qb for interior lineman, usually those guys are a lot easier to block than good edge rushers. 1) just from a physical ability standpoint and 2) interior guys are easier to neutralize with double teams.

I said this a while ago, but I'd actually like to see watt lined up outside more often. He's our best pass rusher by far and he'd make the o line have to actually work out there.

Right now it's too easy to contain our pass rush. Double watt inside. Help a little on smith, and dare our olb's to do anything about it.

That's no bueno for any scheme.

[76Texan]

And here are the numbers from the Falcons:

02:
31.5 - 9.5

03:
27 - 6.5

Those are also huge discrepancies.

They definitely show that Wade can get pressure from the inside very well; it has got to be the scheme.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Here's the sack distribution list of the Bills during Wade's tenure.
(Note that the interior included big Ted Washington who "shouldn't" figure much.)

95:
25.5 - 19.5

96:
26.5 - 10

97:
24 - 12.5

98:
33.5 - 6.5

99:
28.5 - 6.5

2000:
21.5 - 13.5

It was not just a one-year anomaly.

Do you have a link to those stats? Or at least some context Or how those numbers are calculated?

I find it hard to believe that wades playing a 34 and his NT and DE's are getting 33 sacks and his OLB's are only getting 6. Even If you have Bruce smith and watt both in your interior and they are getting 10 a piece, that means 10 more sacks have to come from the NT or back up DE's/dt's.

Even our olb's are doing more than that.

Are they counting blitzes from the interior? Or are you adding these numbers yourself?

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

And here are the numbers from the Falcons:

02:
31.5 - 9.5

03:
27 - 6.5

Those are also huge discrepancies.

They definitely show that Wade can get pressure from the inside very well; it has got to be the scheme.

Can you link where you are getting your numbers from?

I don't remember all these great interior d lines posting these high sack totals.

We have watt having one if the greatest seasons ever for an interior d lineman and smith who is no slouch and we still may just barely scratch 20 sacks from those interior guys.

If wade was getting 30 sacks a year from his interior then those guys were just bad asses and that had nothing to do with scheme.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Rey

Do you have a link to those stats? Or at least some context Or how those numbers are calculated?

I find it hard to believe that wades playing a 34 and his NT and DE's are getting 33 sacks and his OLB's are only getting 6. Even If you have Bruce smith and watt both in your interior and they are getting 10 a piece, that means 10 more sacks have to come from the NT or back up DE's/dt's.

Even our olb's are doing more than that.

Are they counting blitzes from the interior? Or are you adding these numbers yourself?

That's why I said even I was surprised.

I just go to pro-football reference.com and counted them myself.

Bruce Smith regularly get between 10-14 sacks a year by himself.

The Bills had a good DE in Phil Hansen who contributed 10, 8, 6, 7.5, 6 in Wade's first 5 years (and 2 in Wade's last year.)
They complimented him with Marcellus Wiley (who had 3.5, 5, 10.5 sacks in 98,99, and 2000 - toward the end of Hansen's career.)

Big Ted averaged more than 3 sacks.
They also had Pat Williams (who went to the Vikings toward the end of his career) to spell Ted Washington and he averaged nearly 3 sacks between 1998-2000 (3 years).

[76Texan]

The Falcons had Patrick Kearney, who was on the All-Pro team once and made the Pro-Bowl twice.

They also had Ellis Johnson, a #15 overall pick and John Thiery, a #11 overall pick and a slew of complimentary players that Wade mixed in.

That interior line was more than solid.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

My thing is, when we know a qb is dropping back to pass, we would benefit greatly by having a guy on the outside that could relieve pressure on the guys on the inside. The OL is bit having to extend itself.

They go hand in hand. The outside guys force the QB up in the pocket, the inside guys smake him around.

[beerlover]

Watt sack right before Barwin can get sack.

[CloakNNNdagger]

The CBs are again playing way off of the WRs

[beerlover]

Brooks pulled his groin, looked extremely painful. Mercilus time.

[beerlover]

Mercilus drew hands to face. Then Barwin almost had a safety. Secondary only leaving underneath routes open keeping play in front. Antonio Smith has been active. Crick rotating with Mitchell.

[Rey]

No pressure. Even with the blitz

[stingray]

Zero pressure.

[TexanSam]

A bonafide pass rusher needs to be a target this offseason. Barwin and Reed both have taken a step back this season. Big step back.

[beerlover]

Barwin drops into coverage too often. Brings back memories of Mario dropping into coverage instead of pass rush role we expected. Executing Wade's scheme, Mercilus is designated more as primary outside pass rusher.

[beerlover]

I'm seeing more four down linemen than stand-up OLB formations. Maybe if Texans had a true 3-4 nose the OLB's could stand up & move around more kind of like Matthews does.

[beerlover]

Have to admit my disappointment. Even Quin has been a sieve. Phillips needs to make adjustment quickly or this gets out of hand.

[beerlover]

Wade brought the blitz while it did not record a sack it looked fresh. Running attack hurting however in return. Chess game. Cannot overstate loss of Cushing, although Sharpton has come back strong. Wade flipping hand signals now Mitchell just missed Stafford who scrambled for a first down. Then Bell, who I had mocked for Texans couple years ago goes up the middle un-touched for lead changing TD.

[Rey]

Why don't the play Braman some? Fresh legs, intensity, athleticism. Lions are passing a bunch and we can't get to him.

[Mr. Texan]

nobody but watt can beat their man 1-on-1.

wade calls blitzes but it's only so much you can do and when he calls those blitzes it leaves guys in the secondary vulnerable.

we need SOMEBODY other than watt to step the fucc up.