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Old 11-14-2012   #41
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I think that is what you are confusing. QBs out of the box or past the LOS canbe tackled like any other player; just no head shot & that goes for any player not just QBs. NFL has got to reduce head injuries and all the law suits are a result of NFL ignoring concussions.

Does Dobbins have any historical incidents that might have increased this amount from$15k?
People, the rules have been provided repeatedly in the this thread and the Hit on Cutler thread. There is nothing QB related here. Any player in the act of throwing the ball or immediately afterward is a defenseless player. It is not illegal to have helmet to helmet contact ordinarily, i.e. non-defenseless players. That's why there is a special rule about it for defenseless players.
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Also, I don't agree with Dobbins' comments after the game. Guy should have more class than that. Even "if" his intent was to knock him out of the game, and "if" that's something that the defense celebrates amongst themselves, then that is something that should be kept to himself. Statements like that only bring retaliation from other players and Schaub has had his fair share of questionable hits.
This is the part that worries me, especially with his division-mate jack-hole Jared Allen coming to town in a few weeks.
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For those of you interested in where the fine money has gone in the past and the present:


Where does the fine money go? - USATODAY.com


Where Does the Money Go When an NFL Player or Coach is Fined?
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The ball was out of his hands before Dobbins launched (and he did launch), plus there was helmet to helmet contact. I don't think there's a shadow of doubt that what he did was fineable, and, in my opinion, worthy of a suspension (which, thankfully, he did not get).
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Surely this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone, we all knew this was coming. Be happy he wasn't suspended a game. He'll pay the fine and move on to the next game.
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Boo!!!

Don't pay it, Tim!
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The ball was out of his hands before Dobbins launched (and he did launch), plus there was helmet to helmet contact. I don't think there's a shadow of doubt that what he did was fineable, and, in my opinion, worthy of a suspension (which, thankfully, he did not get).
I agree. I expected a fine, maybe not this high but in the neighborhood of $20K. Even if Dobbins thought he was going to run, or was over the line of scrimmage, the ball left Cutlers hand and Dobbins was 4 yards away. If not 4 at the very least 3.5. And he didn't try to let up; he lunged into Cutler. I think it's very fortunate he wasn't suspended.

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Looking at in hindsight I felt bad for the hit. I had two bets on the game (not that it is important) and said bet was off and you don't owe me.


At speed of the game at the time of the play. I thought cutler was way over the line of scrimmage(his first pump of the football was the line). I was wrong but was thinking where Tim was at the time..he had no idea I that section of time. Just stop the guy in front of you.


However it happens ,just like defenseless receivers. A second is not a long time in that scenario.i think where Tim got in trouble also was his comments afterwards
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Looking at in hindsight I felt bad for the hit. I had two bets on the game (not that it is important) and said bet was off and you don't owe me.


At speed of the game at the time of the play. I thought cutler was way over the line of scrimmage(his first pump of the football was the line). I was wrong but was thinking where Tim was at the time..he had no idea I that section of time. Just stop the guy in front of you.


However it happens ,just like defenseless receivers. A second is not a long time in that scenario.i think where Tim got in trouble also was his comments afterwards
If you go back and watch the play from the snap, you can clearly see the ball is spotted just across the 50 yard line. When the Center grabs it and sets up to hike, the ball is touching the 50 yard line. If you look at it that way, Cutler was definitely beyond the LOS when he threw it. The announcers had a bad angle to view the play and incorrectly marked the LOS at the 48.5 yard line, which is why some people think his back foot was still behind it.
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I don't have a problem with him getting fined. Someone remind me, what did the guy pay for knocking Schaubs block off?
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I don't have a problem with him getting fined. Someone remind me, what did the guy pay for knocking Schaubs block off?
$50k and one game suspended for Joe Mays, Von Miller got fined $25k I believe.
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So d1ckhead gets 10k for diving at Cushing's knee and ending his season, but Dobbins gets 30k for meeting a running QB at the LOS. Makes perfect sense.
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So d1ckhead gets 10k for diving at Cushing's knee and ending his season, but Dobbins gets 30k for meeting a running QB at the LOS. Makes perfect sense.
A running QB without the ball. Who got hit in the head. Although, that opens up the question: is there more protection for head injuries than knee injuries? Both can end careers...
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Helmet to helmet resulting a in a name QB on a branded team. I can't see why anyone would be surprised by this. Maybe 30K is a little stiff but come on, them's the breaks. I'd bet the 30K that Dobbins IS going to pay that he would do it 10 times over if it resulted in 10 more wins.
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So d1ckhead gets 10k for diving at Cushing's knee and ending his season, but Dobbins gets 30k for meeting a running QB at the LOS. Makes perfect sense.


I dont think the fine is calculated based off the injury it causes or amount of time the player who was hit misses.
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I dont think the fine is calculated based off the injury it causes or amount of time the player who was hit misses.
It isn't, which is why the guy that cheap-shotted Cushing was only fined 10k.
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So d1ckhead gets 10k for diving at Cushing's knee and ending his season, but Dobbins gets 30k for meeting a running QB at the LOS. Makes perfect sense.
Simple. Head injury vs. leg injury.

NFL is trying to clean up the traumatic outcomes of head injuries.
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Helmet to helmet resulting a in a name QB on a branded team. I can't see why anyone would be surprised by this. Maybe 30K is a little stiff but come on, them's the breaks. I'd bet the 30K that Dobbins IS going to pay that he would do it 10 times over if it resulted in 10 more wins.
I'd argue that he wouldn't because that would cost him $300,000 which is a lot of money for Timmy.

Haha, in all seriousness, I think the team should pull money together and pick up the tab for him. (for the $30k fine..not advocating for dirty football..though I thought the hit was legit)
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I dont think the fine is calculated based off the injury it causes or amount of time the player who was hit misses.
yeah the NFL does a lot of things well, but their arbitrary all-over the-map system of player and Team fines is a joke at best. The players union accepted this whimsical system so its hard to cry about it now (players not us fans). I'm not accusing anyone of actually crying about this incident but when I do see players grumbling about how arbitrary this is I can't help but think that their Union leadership missed the boat on this one.

I think an independent panel of ex-players should make the decision on the fines. An equal mix of defensive and offensive players. It's also a good way to keep the older guys in the game/eyes of the public as well.
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