All Encompassing Fire Joe Marciano

[GP]

Originally Posted by Scooter

what's hartmann doing these days? is he still recovering?

Doubt they'd bring him back.

Initially was suspended for 3 games...then the league tacked on several more games because the league said he lied on some sort of questioning procedure.

I would think Kubiak wouldn't risk the position by dropping DJ and adding Hartmann. Might get one last shot in camp 2013, maybe.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

I don't think it's Marciano's fault that Graham can't kick a damn kickoff into the endzone, even from the 40 or wherever the kick starts now. Last year we saw our first K drafted (and look how well that turned out lol) how about a P this year?

I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.

I'm not sure, but I think they might have been doing the squib kicks because of the weather. Either they were avoiding a bad kick, a long return, or hoping that the Bears would fumble the bouncing ball, I don't think that will be the norm going forward. If they do that next week, I'll be worried.

[GP]

They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.

[Cjeremy635]

Originally Posted by GP

They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.

I didn't notice the pause. If there was one, I would attribute it more to making sure he had a grip on that wet ball before kicking it. Last night was the first crappy weather game we've played in this year, IIRC.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.

Spot On

Not very special is putting it kindly.

ST's have been terrible.

They were the biggest single factor in the Packers blowing out the Texans and have been horrible all season. The best we can hope for is that by playoff time the ST's can atleast become avg.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by GP

They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.

Yep saw that and mentioned on the day thread. Seemed a deliberate second or so wait before kicking (in my eyes) however it was for sure when there was not much of a rush coming at him

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Cjeremy635

I didn't notice the pause. If there was one, I would attribute it more to making sure he had a grip on that wet ball before kicking it. Last night was the first crappy weather game we've played in this year, IIRC.

This makes more sense to me. Kick/punt coverage is about timing. They practice getting that timing down over and over and over. If the punter waits too long to get the kick away, he risks drawing a penalty for illegal man down field. But I can see him taking an extra half sec to make sure he's got a good grip on the ball before kicking.

[Mr. Texan]

[CretorFrigg]

Bump.

[SCOTTexans]

I think everyone can agree with this....

[Playoffs]

Why am I seeing other teams hire ST Coaches and only hearing this

from the Texans offices???

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

Why am I seeing other teams hire ST Coaches and only hearing this

from the Texans offices???

Because it's BoB's way.

We're so close. LOL

Meanwhile the good ST's coaches Toub for example is being snatched up. Wonder if Gary would even consider giving Westhoff a call. That guy has been an elite ST's coach for yrs.


Naww!!!! Gary doesn't want to rock the boat. There's utopia in the Texans world.

[El Tejano]

Marciano hasn't been fired yet???

[TejasTom]

One of my fears is that special team play was good enough in NE game to get Joe another year.

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[Rey]

I think that NE game saved Marciano.

But you do have to wonder if the returners (trindon included) just werent getting it done back there since manning was able to bust two big ones with relative eased. He looked like he reads it better and is more patient that the other guys we've put back there.

[GP]

Originally Posted by TejasTom

One of my fears is that special team play was good enough in NE game to get Joe another year.

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That was my fear the moment Manning busted the two returns. The first return made me go "Hmmm..." the second return I went "Aww sheesh, I know what happens now."

But honestly, I think the guy's job was safe AND IS safe no matter what.

It's The Kubiak Way. If you're on the Kubiak Express, if your ticket is punched, you get to ride the whole way. No stops, no layovers. You're IN.

[Jules Winnfield]

texan season ticket holders should sue mcnair for assault if marciano is back next year.

[Norg]

I bet it just urks the texans to have let go both J jones and holiday whos decesion was that anywayz RIck or did JOe have input ???????? and how bad there ST have been


MAN how does JOe have a job right now HE SHOULD BE FIRED TODAY RIGHT NOW any news on this ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When does Mcnair usually Fire coaches ..????

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by GP

That was my fear the moment Manning busted the two returns. The first return made me go "Hmmm..." the second return I went "Aww sheesh, I know what happens now."

But honestly, I think the guy's job was safe AND IS safe no matter what.

It's The Kubiak Way. If you're on the Kubiak Express, if your ticket is punched, you get to ride the whole way. No stops, no layovers. You're IN.

Sad but true.

How did Wade get hired?

He was an outsider.