All Encompassing Fire Joe Marciano

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by GP

Punt and kickoff coverage tonight.....I think the bad conditions saved our asses.

We are basically a dome team and went into Chicago and played on their field in their conditions that they are used to and you think that somehow that helped us to win the game?

[GP]

Originally Posted by utahmark

We are basically a dome team and went into Chicago and played on their field in their conditions that they are used to and you think that somehow that helped us to win the game?

This is a thread about SPECIAL TEAMS.

And yes, I think if this was a beautiful evening in pristine conditions, the Bears special teams could have done great damage to ours. No question. They are difference makers in every form and fashion.

Do you follow football? Do you not know how extraordinary the Bears are on ST and how polar opposite bad we are on ST?

Yeah, it was a big helping hand to have a sloppy track out there.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by GP

This is a thread about SPECIAL TEAMS.

And yes, I think if this was a beautiful evening in pristine conditions, the Bears special teams could have done great damage to ours. No question. They are difference makers in every form and fashion.

Do you follow football? Do you not know how extraordinary the Bears are on ST and how polar opposite bad we are on ST?

Yeah, it was a big helping hand to have a sloppy track out there.

No... I just been coming here and posting for the last 10 years for the heck of it.

Our special teams got outplayed just like they do every week. We won the game just like we do every week.

[GP]

Originally Posted by utahmark

No... I just been coming here and posting for the last 10 years for the heck of it.

Our special teams got outplayed just like they do every week. We won the game just like we do every week.

Yeah, since this a whopping blowout right? 13-6 on the road, no chance for special teams to play a role right?

Go find someone else to **** talk to.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by GP

Yeah, since this a whopping blowout right? 13-6 on the road, no chance for special teams to play a role right?

Go find someone else to **** talk to.

You were talking about a nice clear field on a clear day? I think we win by more than 7 points in that situation. You change the rules of your argument after every post. Then you **** me, after you had already insulted my football intelligence. You dont want to talk about football now..... do you?

[Norg]

just so yall know ST does not just cover punt returners

its punting and reciving blocking and tackling

its the Punter and FG kicker

Its extra points teams

etc etc etc

[houstonspartan]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

I refuse to believe there's anyway coach Joe will be back as ST coach. He may not get fired - he may retire, or get kicked upstairs (either of which would be absolutely okay with me), but when you've got Graham squib kicking every kick, that's gotta be a clue a change is in order (The other clue is when it worked better than kicking it off regularly- well, most of the time).

I've said this before - Coach Joe means a lot to this franchise, and he should be treated accordingly, but he absolutely can't be the Texans Special Teams coach in 2013.

Yes, Joe means a lot to this team; but, that doesn't mean she shouldn't be fired. The options you presented - allowing him to retire and be kicked upstairs - implies that those are the only two options to give him a respectable exit. That's not true.

Yes, he should be respected. Doing so would mean NOT firing him during the season. An employee can be fired with respect. Especially in football.

I like Coach Joe for sentimental reasons of being the last original Texan, but, that's about it. He should be treated like any other employee, and an honorable, respectable firing at the end of the season would be fair.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by houstonspartan

Yes, Joe means a lot to this team; but, that doesn't mean she shouldn't be fired. The options you presented - allowing him to retire and be kicked upstairs - implies that those are the only two options to give him a respectable exit. That's not true.

Yes, he should be respected. Doing so would mean NOT firing him during the season. An employee can be fired with respect. Especially in football.

I like Coach Joe for sentimental reasons of being the last original Texan, but, that's about it. He should be treated like any other employee, and an honorable, respectable firing at the end of the season would be fair.

Never said he couldn't (or even shouldn't) be fired. I consciously used the words "may not" as opposed to will not. Different teams have different modus operandi, and while saying thank you and goodbye to Coach Joe can certainly be done in a respectful manner, it just wouldn't surprise me to see ownership handle it a little bit differently.

[Corrosion]

Get him outa here .... and take that liquored up kicker with him , cant kick it into the damn endzone.

[ItsMyFault]

I'm going to say it again... Special Teams COULD cost the Texans in the playoffs. There aren't going to be any easy wins in the playoffs, so it'll come down to things like special teams. I'm not sure what the Texans can do at this point for special teams. As long as they're winning, they're not going to fire this asswipe. Jacoby and Trindon, as much as you want to make them out to be careless, are doing things on other special teams. This jack ass just doesn't have it when it comes to developing special teams. Have to make some kind of change, we also need a new goddamn kicker/punter.

[TexanSam]

Originally Posted by ItsMyFault

I'm going to say it again... Special Teams COULD cost the Texans in the playoffs. There aren't going to be any easy wins in the playoffs, so it'll come down to things like special teams. I'm not sure what the Texans can do at this point for special teams. As long as they're winning, they're not going to fire this asswipe. Jacoby and Trindon, as much as you want to make them out to be careless, are doing things on other special teams. This jack ass just doesn't have it when it comes to developing special teams. Have to make some kind of change, we also need a new goddamn kicker/punter.

I think kicker and punter are fine for this season. Graham has been solid and Jones has been very good until yesterday. I keep hoping the they sign Hartman just so he can do the kickoffs. I think they could afford to drop a ST/depth player for a kicking specialist.

[TimeKiller]

I don't think it's Marciano's fault that Graham can't kick a damn kickoff into the endzone, even from the 40 or wherever the kick starts now. Last year we saw our first K drafted (and look how well that turned out lol) how about a P this year?

[gwallaia]

Panthers fire their Special Teams Coach.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/86...ms-coordinator

[Scooter]

what's hartmann doing these days? is he still recovering?

[Big Lou]

Originally Posted by Scooter

what's hartmann doing these days? is he still recovering?

I think he still has a 4 game Ritalin suspension.

[kiwitexansfan]

Our kicking/coverage game seems ok. Graham's leg strength still concerns me though.

It is our return game that is the BIG concern.

You can't blame the talent because Jacoby and Holliday are having big years elsewhere.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

You can't blame the talent because Jacoby and Holliday are having big years elsewhere.

That is part of why you can blame the talent. Those guys are 1 of 11. Here they were getting crap blocking with actually some pretty good returns which then were called back like Martin's this weekend for penalties. Some of that is coaching and some of that is players screwing up.

[gwallaia]

Originally Posted by ItsMyFault

As long as they're winning, they're not going to fire this asswipe. Jacoby and Trindon, as much as you want to make them out to be careless, are doing things on other special teams.

NFL admits Holiday's return should not have counted. He celebrated and tossed the ball before crossing the goal line! Should have been a touch back and the Panther's ball at the 20.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ncos-a-mistake

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

NFL admits Holiday's return should not have counted. He celebrated and tossed the ball before crossing the goal line! Should have been a touch back and the Panther's ball at the 20.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ncos-a-mistake

That doesn't matter one bit. This is less about Trindon (or Jacoby) and more about what the other 10 guys on the field are doing to assist them. Negating the TD (as should have been done) wouldn't have changed things one bit.

[gwallaia]

I understand that. I just think it was funny.