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Old 11-09-2012   #161
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Well, my thinking is that we're going to wear Watt down or shorten his career at the very least. It's the same thing with Foster, it's nice to have a Ben Tate backing him up, helps make sure Foster is good to go for the play-offs this year & next year.
Wow ok, why don't you go study how many plays a game other top end DEs average per game? Come back with some info on why the Texans are over-using him and we'll talk. Start with Ngata, Justin Smith and jared Allen.
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Wow ok, why don't you go study how many plays a game other top end DEs average per game? Come back with some info on why the Texans are over-using him and we'll talk. Start with Ngata, Justin Smith and jared Allen.
None of those guys is 50% of their QB pressures.

If Jj Watt is our defense, he'll be in on 90% or more of the snaps. Just like Reed & Barwin were at the end of last year. It's fine for short spurts, a few weeks here, a few weeks there, but none of them can take it for long.

We'll also be "pushing" Jj to play through minor injuries which can potentially hurt his longevity.

On the great teams, your QB pressure comes from two players & a bunch of role players. Freeny & Mathis, Lewis & Suggs & Ngata, Woodley & Harrison, Justin Smith & Aldon Smith & Patrick Willis, Ware & Ratcliff,


Don't get me wrong, it isn't unheard of that one guy makes up a teams pass rush, it happens. But that guy usually get's hurt often, whether that is Jared Allen, Kyle VandenBosh, or whoever.

Bottom line, we need a beter DL rotation where we get pressure on the QB even when Jj Watt is not in the game.
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Default Re: Our first round pick Whitney Mercilus

Actually we have rotated Watt off the field a decentish amount this season. Like someone said earlier, every play he will be taking on blockers, I'd rather he keep outright dominating them that way he's not over exerting himself to win his matchup
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I've never heard of a D-Lineman getting overworked.
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None of those guys is 50% of their QB pressures.

If Jj Watt is our defense, he'll be in on 90% or more of the snaps. Just like Reed & Barwin were at the end of last year. It's fine for short spurts, a few weeks here, a few weeks there, but none of them can take it for long.

We'll also be "pushing" Jj to play through minor injuries which can potentially hurt his longevity.

On the great teams, your QB pressure comes from two players & a bunch of role players. Freeny & Mathis, Lewis & Suggs & Ngata, Woodley & Harrison, Justin Smith & Aldon Smith & Patrick Willis, Ware & Ratcliff,


Don't get me wrong, it isn't unheard of that one guy makes up a teams pass rush, it happens. But that guy usually get's hurt often, whether that is Jared Allen, Kyle VandenBosh, or whoever.

Bottom line, we need a beter DL rotation where we get pressure on the QB even when Jj Watt is not in the game.
Freeny & Mathis are 4-3 DE's (getting up there too) they are supposed to be premium pass rushers but have only one Super Bowl to show for it, with Peyton Manning.

Suggs is Raven primary pass rushing OLB in their 3-4. Lewis & Ngata are more supporting role pass rushers & no Super Bowl for this group.

Now Woodley & Harrison, OLB's for two time Super Bowl Champions does qualify for what your saying, with supporting cast of Troy Polamalu, Lawerence Timmons & Larry Foote. This is who Texans must take the mantle away from.

San Francisco got close but no Super Bowl for them either. Alex Smith is their primary pass rusher, but also have Ahmad Brooks. Justin Smith is a stud & next best after Watt. Great team no.

Should have mentioned Green Bay with Clay Matthews. Bet they were hoping for Mercilus, instead settled for Nick Perry who I think is out injured along with Woodson. AJ Hawk & BJ Raji in support. One Super Bowl.

Trying to be objective, of course, Texans have the best pass rushing, wrecking crew right now in the NFL. Not one team mentioned has such depth @ OLB plus a defensive MVP DL hopefull in Watt. If the offense can support the defense & score enough points keeping these guys fresh, Texans should win at least two Super Bowls, heck maybe three?

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With as much time as our Offense keeps the ball, I doubt JJ or anyone on our Defense is being overworked. We are #1 in time of possession.
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Trying to be objective, of course, Texans have the best pass rushing, wrecking crew right now in the NFL. Not one team mentioned has such depth @ OLB plus a defensive MVP DL hopefull in Watt. If the offense can support the defense & score enough points keeping these guys fresh, Texans should win at least two Super Bowls, heck maybe three?

Yeah, if we lose Barwin, or if he never gets back to last year's production, you'll be looking to add someone to help Jj in your next mock. We need a better DL rotation.

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With as much time as our Offense keeps the ball, I doubt JJ or anyone on our Defense is being overworked. We are #1 in time of possession.
That is true. I'd hate to run into a halfway decent offense again though i.e. Greenbay. The defense looked much better vs Baltimore where 4 guys were in there getting after the QB in addition to JJ.
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Yeah! Texans' D overworked their jaws eating Burritos on side line watching our O play. You know, time possession thing! That's how JJ Watt found time to eat Burritos bigger than Ray Rice.

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Almost half the sacks are from one person. That's not good for us. Barwin & Brooks need to step it up. Crick needs to show up.


I still think this defense would be better with Mario, Imagine if he & Watt had 10 sacks & all we'd have to lose is Brooks' 2.5. That would be a scary defense.
You're right. But only if the Mario we saw during the first five games of last year is the one that shows up this year. I ain't quite convinced we would see that same guy.

And then there's the little matter of who ELSE we would have had to send packing to fit that humongous salary of his in our budget.
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Wow ok, why don't you go study how many plays a game other top end DEs average per game? Come back with some info on why the Texans are over-using him and we'll talk. Start with Ngata, Justin Smith and jared Allen.
Here are some numbers:

In week 6, there were 20 D-linemen that had more snaps than JJ Watt.
In week 7, there were 24 and in week 9, there were 22.

These numbers include all Nose tackles as well as 4-3 DEs.

Watt was used quite a bit (more than the average D-linemen), but he was not among those who were "over-used".
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Here are some numbers:

In week 6, there were 20 D-linemen that had more snaps than JJ Watt.
In week 7, there were 24 and in week 9, there were 22.

These numbers include all Nose tackles as well as 4-3 DEs.

Watt was used quite a bit (more than the average D-linemen), but he was not among those who were "over-used".
Well, that's total snaps, and in order to really compare apples to apples, we need to divide it by number of games and also take a look at total defensive snaps for each team (several teams had bye weeks 4-7, when the Texans didn't have one). It would also be worth it to look at the number of each down, as we are talking about pass rushers, and they have to be on the field for most every 3rd down. I have a hunch that with our offense's ridiculous time of possession and our stubborn defense that forces teams off the field on 3rd down, we are on the lower end of the spectrum in regard to total defensive snaps.

I would also like to see JJ's percentage of plays with the Texans overall. Is he at 80%, 90, 99? Might help understand how much the team utilizes him.

Where do you get your stats from for this? I'd like to take a look for myself, but I"m not aware of a stats database that's publicly available and tracks snap counts per player.
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Well, that's total snaps, and in order to really compare apples to apples, we need to divide it by number of games and also take a look at total defensive snaps for each team (several teams had bye weeks 4-7, when the Texans didn't have one). It would also be worth it to look at the number of each down, as we are talking about pass rushers, and they have to be on the field for most every 3rd down. I have a hunch that with our offense's ridiculous time of possession and our stubborn defense that forces teams off the field on 3rd down, we are on the lower end of the spectrum in regard to total defensive snaps.

I would also like to see JJ's percentage of plays with the Texans overall. Is he at 80%, 90, 99? Might help understand how much the team utilizes him.

Where do you get your stats from for this ? I'd like to take a look for myself, but I"m not aware of a stats database that's publicly available and tracks snap counts per player.
Football Outsiders have this new feature. Go to Stats / Player Snap Counts.
You have to search week by week. For the Texans , Watt is used the most on the line.
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Merci's got more sacks, but he's also been used more situationally than Irvin, Wolfe, or Jones. That's probably accounting for the lower sack-to-snaps ratio there.
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[quote=Rey;2089088]I voted for him...He didn't make it...

Still can if someone gets hurt or doesn't go...[/QUOT]

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