Mount Rushmore of the NFL

[Cerberus]

If you were commissioned to design a Mount Rushmore of NFL League greats (not players like in Dread's thread), who would you put on there?

Me? I'd start off with these three for sure:

1. George Halas
2. Al Davis
3. Paul Brown
4.

But then I have a hard time picking the 4th person. In my mind, it would have to be between: Lamar Hunt, Ralph Wilson, Pete Rozelle, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Art Rooney and possibly even Wellington Mara. Would exclude John Madden, because it wouldn't be right having two Raiders on the Mount.

Who would you put on the NFL's version of Mount Rushmore?

[Hookem Horns]

Jim Thorpe would have to be included.

If there are tourist restrooms in the park Bud Adams face in the urinals.

[Trap_Star]

David Carr
Jacoby Jones
Charley Casserly
Victor Riley

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by Trap_Star

David Carr
Jacoby Jones
Charley Casserly
Victor Riley

A variety of faces for the urinals? Good call.

[Dutchrudder]

How about..,

Bob McNair
Gary Kubiak
Wade Phillips
Bum Phillips

[infantrycak]

I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

Yeah but he was best known for coaching Oklahoma's NFL team.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Yeah but he was best known for coaching Oklahoma's NFL team.

Hey, he had 42 takeaways for your little yankee wuss team - you could cut him some slack.

Besides his iconic image wouldn't involve a star. It would be:



Johnny Cash may have been The Man in Black but Tom Landry was The Man in Hat.

[The Pencil Neck]

George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
Bill Walsh

[stingray]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

I think Tom Landry should be included.

Texas born and raised - UT and UofH
WWII volunteer.
Huge volunteer and leader to anyone around him.
All-pro NFL player while at the same time coaching.
DC with Lombardi as OC.
29 year HC with 5 SB appearances.
An inventor of the 4-3 defense then refined it in the flex.
Defensive guy who became an offensive innovator.
Innovated strength and conditioning programs.
Innovated statistical breakdown of opponent tendencies.

Great man and Texan.

100% agreed!!

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Hey, he had 42 takeaways for your little yankee wuss team - you could cut him some slack.

Besides his iconic image wouldn't involve a star. It would be:



Johnny Cash may have been The Man in Black but Tom Landry was The Man in Hat.

Cowboys = Satan

Sorry, he was Darth Vader to me.

[Showtime100]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
Bill Walsh

*BAM* (well...kinda.....scratch Walsh with Wellington Mara)

Tom Landry, love ya, thanks for playing.

[Kaiser Toro]

Lamar Hunt

[DexmanC]

Warren Moon...

The man refused to be recast as a WR, TE, DB, or RB, just to satisfy the
racists. He stayed QB, and dominated the record books in Canada just
to show the world he wasn't playing. Then, he came to Houston and
showed the NFL what they missed out on. As soon as Bud could, he
shut Moon down for Cody "Can't-Stay-Healthy-Worth-A-Damn" Carlson,
Bucky Richardson, Chris Chandelier etc. Bud's team didn't become competitive
again until another young Black warrior, Steve Mcnair, was FINALLY given a shot after
TWO FULL SEASONS on the bench.

Warren went on to become an all-time great by finishing up strong
in Minnesota and Seattle.

After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.

We saw the likes of Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, Steve Mcnair,
Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Cam Newton, RGIII, and many more rise to
prominence in no small part due to the perseverance and assertion of
manhood provided by the First Black Quarterback to be inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, Harold Warren Moon.

[steelbtexan]

What Houston missed out on with Moon was a QB that could even get a sniff of the Lombardi trophy. You could count on two things with Warren.

1. He would always choke in big games.
2. He was a pioneer at making it rain at many gentlemens establishments around Houston.

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.

I was probably one of Moon's biggest fans during his time with the Oilers. However before him I was probably even a bigger fan of Doug Williams in Tampa.

I would say Doug Williams proved the above before Moon. Doug Williams was not a choker like Moon and got an expansion team to the NFC Championship. Oh, and he did go on to win a Super Bowl in Washington.

Moon was a great stats guy (what is why he is in the HOF) but always folded in the playoffs. Williams went the whole distance becoming the first black QB to win a Super Bowl. Has there been another?

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Jim Thorpe would have to be included.

If there are tourist restrooms in the park Bud Adams face in the urinals.

And Art Modell....

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

What Houston missed out on with Moon was a QB that could even get a sniff of the Lombardi trophy. You could count on two things with Warren.

1. He would always choke in big games.
2. He was a pioneer at making it rain at many gentlemens establishments around Houston.

The infamous "Buffalo game". How was that HIS fault? Buddy Ryan's defense fell apart and special teams played like crap.

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by DexmanC

Warren Moon...

The man refused to be recast as a WR, TE, DB, or RB, just to satisfy the
racists. He stayed QB, and dominated the record books in Canada just
to show the world he wasn't playing. Then, he came to Houston and
showed the NFL what they missed out on. As soon as Bud could, he
shut Moon down for Cody "Can't-Stay-Healthy-Worth-A-Damn" Carlson,
Bucky Richardson, Chris Chandelier etc. Bud's team didn't become competitive
again until another young Black warrior, Steve Mcnair, was FINALLY given a shot after
TWO FULL SEASONS on the bench.

Warren went on to become an all-time great by finishing up strong
in Minnesota and Seattle.

After Warren Moon, there was no longer a question mark on whether
Black men had the brains and leadership to lead an NFL squad to victory
by playing the heralded position of Quarterback.

We saw the likes of Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, Steve Mcnair,
Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Cam Newton, RGIII, and many more rise to
prominence in no small part due to the perseverance and assertion of
manhood provided by the First Black Quarterback to be inducted into the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, Harold Warren Moon.

You'll note that Dex didn't include "Mighty" Vince Young on his list.

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

The infamous "Buffalo game". How was that HIS fault? Buddy Ryan's defense fell apart and special teams played like crap.

Raising hand yelling ... "oh I got this one!".

Yes, most are quick to point out that his defense blew that 35-3 lead in Buffalo. That is true and to his credit Moon had a great first half to get them that huge lead. However when the momentum started shifting Moon started folding right along with his defense in that 2nd half.

He just didn't have it in himself to turn back the momentum. With the crowd against him and with all of that adversity he fizzled out. If he could have just orchestrated one or 2 solid drives in that 2nd half the Bills would not have had enough time to complete the comeback. When the Bills finally tied it and it went to OT, Moon had the ball first and could have taken that game back. However he threw a trademark INT and the rest is history.

For the record that was Jim Eddy's defense, not Buddy Ryan's. Eddy was fired due to that loss and Ryan was brought in to replace him the following season.