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Old 10-27-2012   #21
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Almost the worst...

.................................................. ...Snaps.........Rating
096 Kareem Jackson HST ......................908..........-11.3
096 Cortland Finnegan TEN ..................1209..........-11.3
098 Derek Cox JAX ...............................691.........-11.5
099 Richard Marshall CAR......................1114.........-11.7
100 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie ARZ....1132..........-13.4
The problem with individual numbers is right there.

You just can't count on stats alone to determine a player's performance.
If you use that list as a criteria to select your players, you couldn't be any more ill-equipped.

Even a guy like Derek Cox gave the guys at PFF a wild change of heart.
They called him a secret superstar entering this season:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ville-jaguars/

The fact that guys were all over the place from one year to the next in their evaluation should tell you something.
If you use them as a scouting service, well.... please fill in the blank.
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I want EllisUnit to eat crow and finally admit he was AND is wrong about this kid. I knew time would tell the true story. Can someone make this happen?
i ALWAYS hoped he would turn into a top tier CB, he has greatly improved no doubt. As odd as it may sound i still worry about him out there, lets face brady or a team with more than 1 stud WR that jojo covers and see how he does.
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Let me correct myself, as my prior post was "overall ratings" and we're really talking about coverage rating when we discuss CBs.

Below is the 2010 worst coverage CBs*.

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95 Marcus Trufant SEA 949 ...........-8.1
96 Jerraud Powers IND 596 ............-8.3
97 Kareem Jackson HST 908 ..........-8.8
98 Asher Allen MIN 709 .................-9.2
99 Cortland Finnegan TEN 1209 .....-10.0
100 Eric Wright CLV 727 ...............-10.1

*This is as much formatting I'll re-do as it takes forever to get everything to line up properly.
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could not be happier for this guy. had the entire city on his back and his been able to brush it off and start performing really well considering where his come from, and to think i believe he can still get better.
To be able to cope with everything that occurred in his first 2 years shows A LOT of his mindset to be able to bounce back.
On ya KJAX!!!!!
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The problem with individual numbers is right there.

You just can't count on stats alone to determine a player's performance.
If you use that list as a criteria to select your players, you couldn't be any more ill-equipped.

Even a guy like Derek Cox gave the guys at PFF a wild change of heart.
They called him a secret superstar entering this season:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ville-jaguars/

The fact that guys were all over the place from one year to the next in their evaluation should tell you something.
If you use them as a scouting service, well.... please fill in the blank.


Well, those are profootballfocus.com numbers. They don't just look at stats, they watch the player. I don't know how those ratings are derived, but even though I thought Kareem had the talent to play in the NFL, I wasn't blind, he sucked.

Joe Flacco, he's got the talent to play in the NFL, Last Sunday he sucked.
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Let me correct myself, as my prior post was "overall ratings" and we're really talking about coverage rating when we discuss CBs.

Below is the 2010 worst coverage CBs*.



95 Marcus Trufant SEA 949 ...........-8.1
96 Jerraud Powers IND 596 ............-8.3
97 Kareem Jackson HST 908 ..........-8.8
98 Asher Allen MIN 709 .................-9.2
99 Cortland Finnegan TEN 1209 .....-10.0
100 Eric Wright CLV 727 ...............-10.1

*This is as much formatting I'll re-do as it takes forever to get everything to line up properly.
Neither list can be trusted.

One guy was rated #10 overall by Football Outsiders in YPP in the same year.
That alone should tell you to take any ranking with a grain of salt.
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Well, those are profootballfocus.com numbers. They don't just look at stats, they watch the player. I don't know how those ratings are derived, but even though I thought Kareem had the talent to play in the NFL, I wasn't blind, he sucked.

Joe Flacco, he's got the talent to play in the NFL, Last Sunday he sucked.
Yeah they watched the same players as you and I do, and I disagree with the view that KJ sucked in 2010.

He played just about to be expected as a rookie in that system.

I guess you weren't here (on this MB) last off-season when I said that the guys that sucked were no longer with the team (Wilson and Pollard.)
And that was Wade Phillips' decision.
Only thing I can say is that he agreed with me.
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He played just about to be expected as a rookie in that system.
I was here. I wouldn't have expected anyone to play well on that defense. individually we had some good talent, just didn't play well together.
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I was here. I wouldn't have expected anyone to play well on that defense. individually we had some good talent, just didn't play well together.
So what do think make sense?

Wade came in.
He watched the tapes.
Before even spending any time with these guys on the field, he let Wilson and Pollard walk and he said he will move Quin to safety.
Then they went out and get JJo and Manning.

If KJ sucked, it would make more sense to move him to safety instead of Quin because after all, everybody at least agree that he's a good tackler and can play with the ball in front of him.
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So what do think make sense?

Wade came in.
He watched the tapes.
Before even spending any time with these guys on the field, he let Wilson and Pollard walk and he said he will move Quin to safety.
Then they went out and get JJo and Manning.

If KJ sucked, it would make more sense to move him to safety instead of Quin because after all, everybody at least agree that he's a good tackler and can play with the ball in front of him.
Hey 76, i wanna give you props. You stood by kareem and defended his play staunchly the last couple of years. I know it wasnt always easy for you taking crap from as many people here as you did. I know a pass rush helps but just maybe kareem wasnt as bad as folks thought. Kudos.
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KJ is really maximizing his talents out there.

He has historically struggled most against taller, bigger WRs. (Duh) Not sure if we have a big enough sample size to evaluate on that front?
Ask Anquan Boldin what he thought last week during his 1 catch for 7 yards.
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Ask Anquan Boldin what he thought last week during his 1 catch for 7 yards.
Boldin is 6' ˝" & his best 40 yard dash was almost 10 years ago at 4.72 . Not big, not fast, still good.
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Ask Anquan Boldin what he thought last week during his 1 catch for 7 yards.
Actually KJ spent more time guarding Jacoby on the outside while Bolden spent alot of time in the slot covered by McCain
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I agree it's too early for that, but I think it looking promising. I'm sure we all remember 2010 and these numbers are a vast improvement. Let's hope he continues this pace!
See, that's a good post. Measured, hopeful, admits he's on track with where Texans fans would want him to be by now.

You forgot to leave out scathing requests for crow to be eaten, other than that it was a great post.
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See, that's a good post. Measured, hopeful, admits he's on track with where Texans fans would want him to be by now.

You forgot to leave out scathing requests for crow to be eaten, other than that it was a great post.
Yes, he did.

So I'll add: Many servings of crow must be served!
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I'll give it until the end of the season before commenting here.

His career is in its 3rd year, not even to the halfway point of that 3rd season...it's a bit premature to start the whole "I'm calling everyone out!" thread. Geez, let's fit the guy for a HOF jacket already I suppose. LOL.
You're right, it's too soon into his good play to start calling for him to be crowned.

It was also FAR too early for him to be crucified by members of this board half a year into his career.
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The problem with individual numbers is right there.

You just can't count on stats alone to determine a player's performance.
If you use that list as a criteria to select your players, you couldn't be any more ill-equipped.

Even a guy like Derek Cox gave the guys at PFF a wild change of heart.
They called him a secret superstar entering this season:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ville-jaguars/

The fact that guys were all over the place from one year to the next in their evaluation should tell you something.
If you use them as a scouting service, well.... please fill in the blank.
76, you called it a long time ago. Kudos to you and KJ.
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So what do think make sense?

Wade came in.
He watched the tapes.
Before even spending any time with these guys on the field, he let Wilson and Pollard walk and he said he will move Quin to safety.
Then they went out and get JJo and Manning.

If KJ sucked, it would make more sense to move him to safety instead of Quin because after all, everybody at least agree that he's a good tackler and can play with the ball in front of him.
I think he saw what you saw, what I saw. Individually he saw talented players with the tools to do their job, but they weren't being asked to do what they were good at.

I still don't think Frank Bush was a bad DC from an Xs & Os POV. We saw what he was capable of doing in 2009. However, in 2010 the year started with a little adversity, not landing a veteran corner, loosing Bullman in the preseason, Cushing being suspended for 4 games, losing Barwin in the 1st qtr of game 1.

Frank Bush's biggest problem was not having the fortitude (read gnads) to continue attacking the LOS like he did in 2009. He took a team of downhill players & had them playing on their heels. I'm sure he also had the secondary "cover" for Kj. Instead of doing their own jobs, they were worried about our "weak-spot"

We gave up a lot of passing yards the first few games & it snowballed. Instead of recognizing the problem, the pass rush, he continued to try to get better at something we weren't built to do & the rules favoring the passing game wasn't helping.

Anytime we got behind in games, you could see he would change his MO & let the front 7 do what they do, play down hill attack the LOS & we would get back into games. Then he'd screw up & play coverage again.

We had one weak spot, the rookie corner. Not that he was bad, but that he was a rookie in a man/man system. Instead of going with that & letting the other 10 guys do what they were good at, he made us weak in all 11 spots.

I'm not a Kj hater, I've defended him since the day we drafted him, Smithiak has hit more times than not on the 1st & 2nd round picks. I watched the guy, he had the size, he had the speed, he had the tools. He played tough & without fear (confidence & fear are two totally different things). I saw all your screen shots of how the defense was "supposed" to play certain coverages & I agreed that your break downs made sense.

He played well for a rookie. But he sucked. Cushing Sucked, Quin (my favorite player) sucked, McCain sucked, Pollard sucked, Cody sucked, Mario sucked... If they played on the defense, they sucked in 2010.

Under a different screen name, before our play-off game against the Ravens, I said if I were Wade, I'd switch my corners. Even though Jjo normally locked up on the other teams #1, he was better suited to play the speedy Torry Smith & Kareem was better suited to play the more physical Bolden.

I'm not saying Wade listened to me, but he did make the switch & it worked out a lot better.

So I wrote all that, just to say this. Don't confuse me for all the Kj haters, I'm just being honest. In 2010 he sucked.
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