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Old 10-25-2012   #1
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Default 3 Amigo Texan "BYE WEEK" Mock 2013 Draft

Greetings fellow Texans, Draft Gurus & friends. This has become a ritual of sorts, to study, dialogue, agree to disagree & pound some sense out of next years draft, 2013, to see Texans continue to flourish, re-tool & hopefully become next NFL dynasty. The three Amigos (Badboy; rmartin65; beerlover) come from different backgrounds & have different viewpoints but we all share a common goal, to put out the best mock draft (both realistic, intuitive & honestly) our fellow fans will appreciate. If not for mods who brought us this forum & admins like Hookem Horns none of this would be possible & friendships like this never formed. Thank You. This Mock Draft is based on BPA (best player available) @ position of need.


First Round: Robert Woods, WR/Jr. 6010 190 lbs. USC

Woods along with Matt Barkley, choose to stay @ USC even during sanctions, forging ahead on record pace refining their craft, big ups. Despite that Woods remains under- the radar behind super sophomore sensation Marqise Lee on his own team. Woods now has the look of a seasoned, refined route runner in pro-system, putting up eye popping numbers (64 receptions as a true freshman, 111 receptions as sophomore, so far 44 receptions this year through only 7 games) In fact Woods set single game records, for USC, with 4 touchdowns against Arizona while going past all time school record for receptions with 217.
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"I grew up watching all those receivers, ever since I understood what USC football was," Woods said. "It's fun to follow in their footsteps, to be one of those great receivers."
Woods would fill a similar role with Texans as the #2 WR behind it's star while already familiar with west coast system run by Kubiak making it a more seamless transition than most rookies entering NFL. Robert would also be a time saver, creating separation quickly for Schaub in pass pro (becoming 1st option in reads) if Schaub gets in trouble Woods is also adept @ working back to his QB. Teams will no longer double team Andre Johnson. Must also add & this is a very important distinction: we are not attempting to replace Andre Johnson (not sure that is even possible) what we are advocating is adding a dynamic complimentary sidekick, someone with both track speed (4.4) great instincts tracking the ball, vertical, hands, running routes & ability to run after catch.

Note: In Texan War Room it was discussed trading up in last years draft (Mercilus) however they rolled the dice & let the draft/player come to them. This year may be the year (compensatory picks cannot be used in trades but can use own picks) to target specific player in this case it is our opinion Robert Woods would be that player.

Second Round: Louis Nix III, NT/rSoph. 6030 330 lbs. Notre Dame

Dominates the center, engages double teams, keep pad level low with natural knee bend & strength. Very quick & explosive to meet & greet the QB or RB in the backfield. Plus measurable for NFL NT position. Still raw but smooth athlete has rare combination of size/speed. Would add beef & playmkaing stops inside, keep LB's clean like he does for Te'o, & personality ready made for showtime in the big's. Questions of his return to Notre Dame this past off season along with probably a second round grade from NFL advisory board in January will probably prompt him to come out early. Hence we are getting in line early to address the interior of this Texan DL.

Third Round (Texans) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE/Jr. 6060 265 lbs. Iowa

Hard to move off his feet when in pass pro or while in receiving route, established position & uses body to effectively wall off defender. Pronounced (Fee doh roh wiz) his father was a power lifter who started him on weights in 8th grade. "FIEDO" is a very good blocker who will protect Matt Schaub, besides added pass pro he can seal the edge or open large seams for Foster, Tate & company. Excellent target in Red Zone or first down scenarios. Very good hands with 21 for 213 yds with 5 games left. Follows long line of Hawkeyes tight ends: Dallas Clark, Tony Moeaki, Brandon Myers and Scott Chandler. Foundation, three down blocking TE with ability to transform into a dangerous offensive weapon disguising either run or passing options.

Third Round (Mario Williams compensatory pick - could be in danger of downgrading this pick due to his lack of production - subject to change) Andrew Jackson, ILB/Jr. 6010 262 lbs. Western Kentucky

Has been compared to Jack Lambert due to his physical play. Alabama Nick Saban said "He's a thumper, plays well, takes on blocker; a really good tackler. I have a lot of respect for him." Jackson once scolded a teammate who eased up as runner headed for sidelines. He only knows how to play 100%. Reminds of first round pick Dont'a Hightower. Could start day one, but will need to learn Wade Phillips system & earn his place on team. He possess the ideal blend of size/speed to play ILB. Andrew has the downhill physical nature to relieve Brian of extreme physical demands or putting him in back too soon as Cushing comes off rehabilitation providing extra insurance as well a starting running mate in the middle for the future.

Fourth Round: Lane Johnson, OT/Sr. 6060 303 lbs. Oklahoma

Athletic, swing tackle to groom who has developed (through excellent coaching) into OU's best OL. He fills one of the Texan tackle requirements in that he is a converted TE (also QB/DT). Has started both RT & LT. Has plus length arms (35") & strong hands to control speed rushers & has natural knee bend to adjust body in front of assignment. Adequate in both pass pro & run blocking, could fit in ZBS. With his upside & Texans need for depth @ position (Butler is probably done) we have upgraded his stock to end of 4th rd. He should make this roster & back up Brown while Harris backs up Newton. Could also get reps @ LG to add depth behind Wade Smith. Athletic, versatile, smart, Lane is from Groveton Texas & is Academic All-Big 12 first team.

Fifth Round: (Texans) Etienne Sabino, OLB/Sr. 6030 238 lbs. The Ohio State

Five star prep recruit who choose Buckeyes over football powers like USC, Miami & Florida. Special teams player first two seasons before breaking into starting lineup as a Junior finishing fifth on the team with 62 tackles and 6.5 tackles for loss. Through the first six games, the senior ranked third on the team with 37 tackles before breaking Fibula which probably cost him going a round or two higher in 2013 draft. His style of play is reminiscent of Brian Cushing, very athletic, great range, downhill blitzer who finishes his tackles. ES could flip inside or play some OLB, adds depth to LB position & someone to learn & shadow Cushing. Depth & special teams, unique athlete.

Fifth Round: (compensatory for Brisiel/Jacoby) Josh Johnson, CB/FS/Sr. 5110 195 lbs. Purdue

A team can never have enough young talent and depth in the defensive backfield. A good-sized corner with excellent tackling skills and on-field awareness, Josh Johnson could play either CB or FS for the Texans in 2013. While he does not have the ‘wow’ speed that the elite prospects have, Johnson is somehow always around the ball, totaling 64 tackles, 9 batted passes and 2 picks last year, and 25 tackles, 8 batted passes and 3 picks in 7 games this year. Furthermore, he fits the Texans’ mold, having been named to the Big 10 academic team two years running.

Sixth Round: Zach Boren, FB/Sr. 6001 252 lbs. The Ohio State

Here is our long waited Vonta Leach replacement. Boren is the prototypical FB who would run through a brick wall to open a hole. This year Boren has taken a more active role in the offense, running for 33 yards on 11 carries and two touchdowns, while catching 5 balls for 42 yards. While these are hardly mindblowing numbers, they go to show that, unlike Leach, Boren can make plays with the ball, even if it is not why he is being drafted here. We foresee many more years of the league’s best rushing offense with Boren helping to clear the way.

Seventh Round: Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/Sr. 6040 306 lbs. Notre Dame

Kap is defensive co-captain with Manti Te'o. He is a converted OLB with pass rushing moves yet stout enough to drop down as a 5-tech 3-4 end. High motor, effort guy who is always around the football but not quick enough to get there first before Te'o or Nix, still these are the type of effort depth players NFL teams feed off to sustain teams health & longevity. Losing Tim Jamision & David Hunter has left the depth chart with only Jared Crick a rookie & 4th rd. draft pick from Nebraska. We feel Lewis-Moore could fill this vacuum pending on how well those players rehab to give Texans much needed adequate depth to maintain defense @ a high level for entire 16 game season & playoffs.
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Nice job 3 Amigos!!!

I do want deep threat WR but, I don't know if we pull a trigger on WR in the 1st as we already drafted 2 WR last year.

If we draft Nix in the 2nd rd, I would prefer to kick Mitchell to outside and draft OG prospect in the 7th rd.

But man, seems you guys worked really hard. Drink some beer!!!
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Im curious what your other round one options were , both player and position.

Im not sold on a WR in the first .... Just dont see that player making enough of an impact out of the gate to justify a first round pick behind AJ and Walter.
Thats not even taking into account the two they drafted in this last offseason.


I know a lot of people are down on Posey since he hasnt gotten much opportunity .... but the kid has all world "Football" speed as he showed you that in the Jets game chasing down Joe McKnight on the KO return. Also , remember his first catch in the preseason , breaking a tackle and taking it the distance ??
He's going to get more opportunities as he learns the playbook and sharpens his route running.
The Texans offense is just too complex to expect a rookie to jump in with both feet and make an impact.

Then again , maybe you guy's are thinking that this could be the eventual replacement to AJ and are Ok with him having a year or more to learn the offense and hone his skills before being thrust into the lineup.
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Thanks for posting it BL. It was good to work with you guys again!
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Kudos on all the work, this is a good stuff. I think you guys could add another comp pick in the 6th or 7th and be fine. We should have 4 coming.

So if we draft a fullback, are you planning on re-signing Casey and making him a TE, or what?
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Kudos on all the work, this is a good stuff. I think you guys could add another comp pick in the 6th or 7th and be fine. We should have 4 coming.

So if we draft a fullback, are you planning on re-signing Casey and making him a TE, or what?
Really? I am terrible with the comp pick stuff, so I am not too surprised. Thanks.

At least from my POV, drafting Boren means we get rid of Clutts, who has shown nothing thus far. Casey becomes more of an HBack.
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Really? I am terrible with the comp pick stuff, so I am not too surprised. Thanks.

At least from my POV, drafting Boren means we get rid of Clutts, who has shown nothing thus far. Casey becomes more of an HBack.
Yes, we should get 4 compensatory picks:

Mario Williams - 3/4th
Mike Brisiel - 4/5th
Joel Dreesen - 5/6th
Jason Allen - 6/7th

The Texans signed zero qualifying free agents, so every loss should result in at least a 7th. Play time, games started and contract size figure into this equation, so those are just rough estimates.
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Great work guys!

You hit all the areas I believe the Texans are thin at (NT, TE, & ILB), and gave us good depth at other positions as well as bolster STs. I'm with some of the posters on drafting a WR in the 1st but if Woods is as good as you say he is, and the Texans still feel it's a need, then I wouldn't mind the pick. I think my favorite pick is Jackson the ILB. He may not be a 3 down ILB but we need somebody in there with an attitude (like Ray Lewis) that will punish people. I'm just worried he won't be there when the Texans pick. He will probably start moving up draft boards soon if not already.
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Yes, we should get 4 compensatory picks:

Mario Williams - 3/4th
Mike Brisiel - 4/5th
Joel Dreesen - 5/6th
Jason Allen - 6/7th

The Texans signed zero qualifying free agents, so every loss should result in at least a 7th. Play time, games started and contract size figure into this equation, so those are just rough estimates.
Awesome! I thought teams get capped at 3 comp picks though? Like I said, I am hardly an expert. Usually I dont work these into my mocks until we know for sure, but BB and BL were confident in us getting at least 2.

Also, how does Mario's recent play affect the picks? I know the formula is secret, but it takes into account salary and play. Are we more likely to see a 4th than a 3rd?

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Great work guys!

You hit all the areas I believe the Texans are thin at (NT, TE, & ILB), and gave us good depth at other positions as well as bolster STs. I'm with some of the posters on drafting a WR in the 1st but if Woods is as good as you say he is, and the Texans still feel it's a need, then I wouldn't mind the pick. I think my favorite pick is Jackson the ILB. He may not be a 3 down ILB but we need somebody in there with an attitude (like Ray Lewis) that will punish people. I'm just worried he won't be there when the Texans pick. He will probably start moving up draft boards soon if not already.
The 1st round really came down to value. Woods has incredible value at the end of the first, and we could use an upgrade/future number 1 guy.

Jackson is an interesting player to place. He is definitely a 2 down player though, which I think when coupled with his small school status dooms him to being a 3rd rounder.
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Yes, we should get 4 compensatory picks:

Mario Williams - 3/4th
Mike Brisiel - 4/5th
Joel Dreesen - 5/6th
Jason Allen - 6/7th

The Texans signed zero qualifying free agents, so every loss should result in at least a 7th. Play time, games started and contract size figure into this equation, so those are just rough estimates.
Shayne Graham wasn't a qualified FA? I think Donnie Jones, Allen Ball, Forsett, and Bradie James were all released by their teams, so they wouldn't qualify. Right? But I'm not sure about Ryan Harris either.
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Shayne Graham wasn't a qualified FA? I think Donnie Jones, Allen Ball, Forsett, and Bradie James were all released by their teams, so they wouldn't qualify. Right? But I'm not sure about Ryan Harris either.
yeah, I think your right to some degree, Texans would be very fortuitous to receive 4 compensatory picks. Ball = Allen. James = Dreesen. Graham = Rackers. Jones/Forsett/Harris + performance could knock down Mario Williams. In conclusion we decided to lower expectations (bundle of extra picks) to help Texan fans from being crushed next February @ the combine when the NFL awards compensatory picks. I'm sure there will much discussion to follow on this subject, just remember with success of Texans free agent group, despite lower contracts, they will most likely offset early projections.
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Shayne Graham wasn't a qualified FA? I think Donnie Jones, Allen Ball, Forsett, and Bradie James were all released by their teams, so they wouldn't qualify. Right? But I'm not sure about Ryan Harris either.
The player must be signed before a certain date, June 1st I believe, and they must sign for more than a vet minimum deal. The player signed must also be a free agent, not an RFA, not a cut/released player, and he must have less than 10 years accrued in the NFL. Every one of those guys signed was either cut/released from their previous team or signed a minimum deal.

Just an FYI, last year WR Sidney Rice did nearly nothing with the Seahawks and was still worth a 4th round comp pick for the Vikings. Asomougha had a terrible year with the Eagles, but was still worth a 3rd for his big contract. I think Mario will still be worth a 3rd, just because his contract is huge. The other guys will need to see the field a lot to get those numbers up.

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yeah, I think your right to some degree, Texans would be very fortuitous to receive 4 compensatory picks. Ball = Allen. James = Dreesen. Graham = Rackers. Jones/Forsett/Harris + performance could knock down Mario Williams. In conclusion we decided to lower expectations (bundle of extra picks) to help Texan fans from being crushed next February @ the combine when the NFL awards compensatory picks. I'm sure there will much discussion to follow on this subject, just remember with success of Texans free agent group, despite lower contracts, they will most likely offset early projections.
BL, you misunderstand me (and I probably stated it poorly). I was saying that Ball, James, Jones, and Forsett should not count against the Texans for compensatory picks because they were all released from their teams, but was asking for confirmation by asking if I was right. DR said that all of those guys, including Graham, will not count against the Texans for compensatory picks. So that's good news!
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This will be another solid weekend of College games on the docket, starting with Oklahoma hosting the Notre Dame Irish. Three players in our "BYE WEEK" mock will be flashing their skill-set starting with NT Louis Nicks III. If your one looking for a prototypical 3-4 nose, Nix should impress you like he does us, making him a valued projected second round selection for the Texans. Fourth round pick Lane Johnson will be severely tested @ LT we'll see if he can hold back the Irish on the edges so Landry Jones can target his weapons down the field. Kap is our last pick in the 7th rd. he has nice size to play a 3-4 DE, he is both disruptive & relentless in his play. Enjoy your weekend of Football while the Texans rest

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To answer an earlier question, we looked at all first round candidates and some that were projected in top half of round two. We want the best player that would fit a need. In the near future, we might choose a BPA that is a QB for instance but with Schaub and TJ and Keenum in Kubiak's favor on PS, no way could we see drafting a QB thisdraft but will not rule it out in future. Some guys we strongly considered were Johnathan Banks, T'eo, Matthews, Barrett Jones, Terrence Williams, Cordarrelle Patterson (climbing the charts), Jesse Williams, Syvester Williams, and Sheldon Richardson. Some were ruled out as should be gone by our pick. We then compared skills set/potential (yes it does matter), ceiling and team need. Also important is would McNair agree to pick (Da'Rick Rogers)? While we disagreed on some we went with consensus after thorough discussion.

As Beerlover said for those of you interested in draft, this weekend offers some very good games.

My concern on Robert Woods is he has dropped some but after combine should rocket back up & might not be there when we select. If there is a franchise type player especially at a need spot that could take over eventually for an icon like AJ, you just have to be willing to take that chance.
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yeah, I think your right to some degree, Texans would be very fortuitous to receive 4 compensatory picks. Ball = Allen. James = Dreesen. Graham = Rackers. Jones/Forsett/Harris + performance could knock down Mario Williams. In conclusion we decided to lower expectations (bundle of extra picks) to help Texan fans from being crushed next February @ the combine when the NFL awards compensatory picks. I'm sure there will much discussion to follow on this subject, just remember with success of Texans free agent group, despite lower contracts, they will most likely offset early projections.
Sorry BL, you are simply wrong about this, and I would gladly bet you a beer that the Texans receive 4 picks in February. The vet minimum numbers for

2012 are:
1) Rookie - $390,000
2) 1 year - $465,000
3) 2 year - $540,000
4) 3 year - $615,000
5) 4-6 year - $700,000
6) 7-9 year - $825,000
7) 10+ year - $925,000

2012 salaries are as follows:
Shayne Graham: 2012: $925,000
Bradie James: 2012: $825,000
Donnie Jones: 2012: $825,000
Alan Ball: 6/2/2012: Signed an undisclosed contract. (June 1st is cutoff date for comp picks)
Justin Forsett: 6/2/2012: Signed a one-year contract. (June 1st is cutoff date for comp picks)
Ryan Harris: 9/1/2012: Signed a one-year, $700,000 contract.

Signing bonuses can be up to 65k without effecting the comp picks.
Players over 10 years accrued no longer count against comp picks.
Players must sign for more than their veteran minimum to nullify other comp picks.

None of these guys will effect the comp picks we get in return. The only thing that will limit what the Texans receive will be the way they play for their new teams. Number of games started, total contract value, etc etc.
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Sorry BL, you are simply wrong about this, and I would gladly bet you a beer that the Texans receive 4 picks in February. The vet minimum numbers for

2012 are:
1) Rookie - $390,000
2) 1 year - $465,000
3) 2 year - $540,000
4) 3 year - $615,000
5) 4-6 year - $700,000
6) 7-9 year - $825,000
7) 10+ year - $925,000

2012 salaries are as follows:
Shayne Graham: 2012: $925,000
Bradie James: 2012: $825,000
Donnie Jones: 2012: $825,000
Alan Ball: 6/2/2012: Signed an undisclosed contract. (June 1st is cutoff date for comp picks)
Justin Forsett: 6/2/2012: Signed a one-year contract. (June 1st is cutoff date for comp picks)
Ryan Harris: 9/1/2012: Signed a one-year, $700,000 contract.

Signing bonuses can be up to 65k without effecting the comp picks.
Players over 10 years accrued no longer count against comp picks.
Players must sign for more than their veteran minimum to nullify other comp picks.

None of these guys will effect the comp picks we get in return. The only thing that will limit what the Texans receive will be the way they play for their new teams. Number of games started, total contract value, etc etc.
I'm always up for a cold one, regardless who pays

Appreciate your informed input on this subject. Maybe we can catch some Combine @ a mutually agreeable sports bar when the powers that be of the NFL make it official & work out a Texan "post combine" mock draft with all the picks in correct order?
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Appreciate your informed input on this subject. Maybe we can catch some Combine @ a mutually agreeable sports bar when the powers that be of the NFL make it official & work out a Texan "post combine" mock draft with all the picks in correct order?
Gladly, we should do an offseason get together for an NFL mock draft at Bubba's this year. I know a lot of the guys around here would be willing to do it and take a couple teams each to complete 5 rounds. Once comp picks are announced and the order is made, we could have a Saturday meetup to get it done.
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Im curious what your other round one options were , both player and position.

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Im curious what your other round one options were , both player and position.

Im not sold on a WR in the first .... Just dont see that player making enough of an impact out of the gate to justify a first round pick behind AJ and Walter.
Thats not even taking into account the two they drafted in this last offseason.


I know a lot of people are down on Posey since he hasnt gotten much opportunity .... but the kid has all world "Football" speed as he showed you that in the Jets game chasing down Joe McKnight on the KO return. Also , remember his first catch in the preseason , breaking a tackle and taking it the distance ??
He's going to get more opportunities as he learns the playbook and sharpens his route running.
The Texans offense is just too complex to expect a rookie to jump in with both feet and make an impact.

Then again , maybe you guy's are thinking that this could be the eventual replacement to AJ and are Ok with him having a year or more to learn the offense and hone his skills before being thrust into the lineup.
Both Aj & KDub are over 30, we're going to need a 1 & 2 soon. Maybe not next season, maybe not the season after. But soon. & while Posey may have 1st round talent, chances are still stacked against him being a #1 NFL receiver. Adding another first rounder edges our bets.

I like it.

Not a lot of places on this team I'm dying to drop a first rounder on, but yes, I'd like to know what other options are there. Wouldn't mind exercising the luxury of being able to go BPA.
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