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Old 10-24-2012   #61
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I am pretty sure it`s the Colts. They are aggressive, want to win as soon as possible and have an aging star at WR with Wayne who they need to replace in the next couple of years.

No way are we trading for him - character issues and the fact that the Texans don`t like to trade for stars aside, we are way up there at the salary cap. Even if we somehow managed to get him fit under for this season, we wouldnt be able to make him a good enough offer next season - at least not if we are not ready for any hurtful cuts. And rememer guys like Cushing, Barwin, Tate, Smith would like to be paid soon, and I guess we`ll want to keep some of them as well...
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the only chief i want to see us trade for is derrick johnson
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Colts already gave up their second round pick for vontae davis. I doubt that they would give up their first for bowe. Just saying.
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Would never make a big deal like this.

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It's gotta be the Colts.
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Colts already gave up their second round pick for vontae davis. I doubt that they would give up their first for bowe. Just saying.
Id give up a mid first rounder for Bowe in a heartbeat. Mid first rounders are not guarantees. Bowe is a proven probowler
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Id give up a mid first rounder for Bowe in a heartbeat. Mid first rounders are not guarantees. Bowe is a proven probowler
He's probably worth that. But you have to think that the colts know that scoring points for them right now is not really their problem. Stopping other teams from scoring is. Mathis and Freeny are always hurt. I don't think they can count on them in the future. So if they do trade their first rounder, they would go into the 2013 draft with no first or second rounder with huge holes to fill on a very bad defensive unit. It could happen but I just don't see it.
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Default Re: Are the Texans trading for Dwayne Bowe?

I have a hard time seeing any AFC South team trading for him.

If we could send a draft pick or two to the Chiefs and get him, I'd be all over that. This guy has been putting up 1000 yard seasons on a team that perennially ranks <20th in the league.

This would mean that Smithiak is very unhappy with our young receivers OR very worried about Andre's future. Getting Bowe would add a lot of productive years to the end of Andre's career. K-Mart has dropped a lot of balls -- Lestar hasn't been able to stay healthy -- Posey hasn't shown up, yet, except on ST. So it could happen.

But I don't know how well or how quickly we could get Bowe up to speed in this offense.

I just can't see us doing it.
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Not that B/R is worth anything, but...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-texans/page/2

Sidney Rice?
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Id give up a mid first rounder for Bowe in a heartbeat. Mid first rounders are not guarantees. Bowe is a proven probowler
Bowe costs abou 10 million... A first rounder about 1 million... In the NfL the worth of a player is determined as a combination of both, his contract and his value on the field. And I don't think the Texans are ready to take on such a huge contract for a WR... Heck, right now with the cap situation they are not ready to take on such a contract for anybody...
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Id give up a mid first rounder for Bowe in a heartbeat. Mid first rounders are not guarantees. Bowe is a proven probowler
Texans first rounders have been pretty good for the last. . . 4 or 5 years? (Really Amobi Okoye is a wart on what is shaping up to be a great record in the first round)
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Bowe costs abou 10 million... A first rounder about 1 million... In the NfL the worth of a player is determined as a combination of both, his contract and his value on the field. And I don't think the Texans are ready to take on such a huge contract for a WR... Heck, right now with the cap situation they are not ready to take on such a contract for anybody...
No Bowe wants $10m & with new cap no team is going to give him $10m. Look at contracts of Foster first year apprx $5m; Schaub's 2013 $7.25m and Duane Brown's apprx $2.5m base for 2013. It is all in the bonus upfront cash and guaranteed money.

We can work a deal for Bowe just like we will for Cushing. The guy is three years younger than AJ with same basic stats. You take a proven vet over three young guys that cannot find themselves on a football field so far.
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I have a hard time seeing any AFC South team trading for him.

If we could send a draft pick or two to the Chiefs and get him, I'd be all over that. This guy has been putting up 1000 yard seasons on a team that perennially ranks <20th in the league.

This would mean that Smithiak is very unhappy with our young receivers OR very worried about Andre's future. Getting Bowe would add a lot of productive years to the end of Andre's career. K-Mart has dropped a lot of balls -- Lestar hasn't been able to stay healthy -- Posey hasn't shown up, yet, except on ST. So it could happen.

But I don't know how well or how quickly we could get Bowe up to speed in this offense.

I just can't see us doing it.
That's exactly what I said on the previous page...
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=58

This just does not compute.
If we were going to trade for someone it would be either at the ILB spot or a stud RT. WR is not as much of a "need" at this point as those spots are, IMHO.
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While I get your point, it's not completely true. While Rick Smith is always chanting the "Build Thru the Draft" mantra, he'll pull the trigger when he needs a certain piece here or there. Those move usually happen during the off-season.

I would think, if he's gonna do a trade, it would be to upgrade the ILB spot. He's already spent more resources than usual on WR this year. Snagging Bowe would be admitting KW - or LeStar Jean - ain't enough and the KMart and Posey picks were fails.
I think it would say they over estimated Andre's abilities more than anything about thekids
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Cap purposes aside, a player like Bowe would really help us out. For example, in some games, our run won't just be there, or a shootout is inevitable, or both?!
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Cap purposes aside, a player like Bowe would really help us out. For example, in some games, our run won't just be there, or a shootout is inevitable, or both?!
Sure, if you forget about the cap and the dozens of drops he has had over the years, he would be a welcomed addition. But the reality is that this year we are up against the cap and have no way to take on another 5 million in salary. It's slightly possible that we could go after him in free agency in lieu of re-signing Barwin, Quin, McCain and company, but given his resume and poor demeanor I doubt Kubiak would want him. If you guys think Martin, Jean and whoever drop a lot of passes, wait till you see Bowe every week.

If you want to talk about players for the Texans to target for trade, you really have look at guys who are on rookie or vet minimum deals. WRs like that are Victor Cruz, Ryan Broyles, Greg Little, Leonard Hankerson, etc etc. Prying one of those away from a team would be costly though, and we would need to make space on the roster within a crowded WR corps.

Broyles would be interesting because he's a possession WR and could be a first down machine, but the Lions spent a 2nd on him this year. Would likely take a at least a 2nd and 3rd next year to get him. The Lions aren't going anywhere this year, so maybe they would be interested in getting something for him. The Browns could easily be in the same boat, and they have a couple young WRs that may be worth looking at, especially if the new management is hungry for picks. Josh Gordon would be interesting, but expensive. May need to send out Barwin or Reed for him, as they need a pass rushing OLB.
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Eh I don't know, I don't think Bowe is as bad as you make him out to be, I do know that Todd Haley was a certified insane person to work for and Bowe wasn't the first WR that Haley did not get along with (See Boldin, Anquan, Cardinals). Either way I doubt it's the Texans as well due to the cap situation but I wouldn't mind the move at all.
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That's exactly what I said on the previous page...
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This just does not compute.
If we were going to trade for someone it would be either at the ILB spot or a stud RT. WR is not as much of a "need" at this point as those spots are, IMHO.
It may be that a quality WR is available but not an ILB or OT.
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It may be that a quality WR is available but not an ILB or OT.
Sean Lee and Jon Beason just went on IR so the Texans might have some competition for an ILB.
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I'm no cap expert so please excuse my ignorance. But I'm looking at us being in cap hell and having a first round pick that might be somewhere around pick 28-32 (praying it's #32) doesn't seem that attractive anymore. Some of our young talent is becoming talent, and for the most part we have a pretty solid depth.

Does giving up a first round pick improve our chances of getting Bowe? There are guys on the team like Jeff Maehl (just an example) that you could package with that too because they aren't seeing the field.
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