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Old 10-21-2012   #81
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Salary cap has just about eliminated free agent movement & that is what NFL wanted. We will see an occasional pick up like Harris who may give you a year or two at cheap cost but draft is way to go in future.
Eliminated FA movement.... I think that's a pretty overboard statement. I mean look at the Texans this year far as who got picked off the team via FA straight up and who had to be let go for cap reasons.

Corrosion is right in you have to be able to know how to draft and find good value in the FA market. I'm not really expecting the Texans to make another big splash like J. Joseph and Manning again soon, but if there's space next year and the FO feels like theres a player out there that is going to put the team over the top into the SB...I'd like to see them make that move.
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OLine is the biggest need at this point. I don't like either guard. I also have to apologize to Winston cus I thought he was over-rated but after watching Newton I wish Eric was back.
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Eliminated FA movement.... I think that's a pretty overboard statement. I mean look at the Texans this year far as who got picked off the team via FA straight up and who had to be let go for cap reasons.

Corrosion is right in you have to be able to know how to draft and find good value in the FA market. I'm not really expecting the Texans to make another big splash like J. Joseph and Manning again soon, but if there's space next year and the FO feels like theres a player out there that is going to put the team over the top into the SB...I'd like to see them make that move.
That is just it, there will be no space next year or years after; point being all the vet contracts being re-done to open up money under the cap. 2012 is first full year under cap after a full off season. As I stated in another thread couple months ago, examples like Mario support my position as teams like Buffalo come into line with the new CBA of spending percentage. IIRC, 2013 all teams must spend 90 % and only a few did not meet the 80% criteria this season. Also, many of the players who renegotiated their deals, like AJ so they could get upfront money and offer space under cap, that "Bonus" or upfront money is prorated and if player gets cut all of the prorated is forced into the cap.

This could be a good thing for us allowing us to keep good players without overpaying or losing to other teams: Barwin, Quin, Caldwell, Forsett, Casey, Cody, McCain, Butler (?), Demps, Dobbins, Gardner, Shane Graham, Harris, James, Donnie Jones, Nading, and Nolan. It is debatable which are "good."
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That is just it, there will be no space next year or years after; point being all the vet contracts being re-done to open up money under the cap. 2012 is first full year under cap after a full off season. As I stated in another thread couple months ago, examples like Mario support my position as teams like Buffalo come into line with the new CBA of spending percentage. IIRC, 2013 all teams must spend 90 % and only a few did not meet the 80% criteria this season. Also, many of the players who renegotiated their deals, like AJ so they could get upfront money and offer space under cap, that "Bonus" or upfront money is prorated and if player gets cut all of the prorated is forced into the cap.

This could be a good thing for us allowing us to keep good players without overpaying or losing to other teams: Barwin, Quin, Caldwell, Forsett, Casey, Cody, McCain, Butler (?), Demps, Dobbins, Gardner, Shane Graham, Harris, James, Donnie Jones, Nading, and Nolan. It is debatable which are "good."
I dunno if my understanding is right the cap has increased under the new CBA, not saying that directly helps the Texans given that they are currently going through a spell of having to decide who their core is going to be the next few years.

The real good, stable long terms teams have been that way for a while because they have learned to manage the cap teams like Pitt, N.E., Balt, Philly, and I think you gotta add the NYG to that list now.

I do think there is going to be some dead money coming off the books next year so that might help.

To me this is why guys like Wade and Gary in terms of being an offensive guru come into play. You need guys who have a system in place where you know what you are looking for and can plug them in and get production. You pay big performers the money and get what you can out of the draft and finding reasonable picks ups in FA.

I think the biggest gripe in the past for fans of the Texans was not being a big player in the FA market when there wasn't the kind of team core you could build around. Right now they've JUST entered that phase were you CAN point to guys and say... this is who we're going to build around. It's not hard to me atm to justify pretty much every extension the team has given out this year. I think for the first time we're seeing that.
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OLine is the biggest need at this point. I don't like either guard. I also have to apologize to Winston cus I thought he was over-rated but after watching Newton I wish Eric was back.
I know Newton had some bad plays today but you can't give up on him yet. He's basically a Rookie just learning the ropes right now. It's the same as when Brown played his 1st year. He got schooled for at least the first half the season, and then slowly started improving until now being regarded as one of the best LT's in the game. That 1st year was pretty brutal for him and people on this board wanted him gone, and thought the Texans had "another blown 1st round pick." Don't give up on Newton yet. He still has a lot to learn. As for the 2 guards, well that's another story.....
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I know Newton had some bad plays today but you can't give up on him yet. He's basically a Rookie just learning the ropes right now. It's the same as when Brown played his 1st year. He got schooled for at least the first half the season, and then slowly started improving until now being regarded as one of the best LT's in the game. That 1st year was pretty brutal for him and people on this board wanted him gone, and thought the Texans had "another blown 1st round pick." Don't give up on Newton yet. He still has a lot to learn. As for the 2 guards, well that's another story.....
I totally agree. I see a lot of potential in Newton, and to me, he's a better pass blocker than Winston. We definitely need to replace Wade & Caldwell. I'm really hoping Brooks will step up next season and challenge to start, like what Newton did this year.
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I dunno if my understanding is right the cap has increased under the new CBA, not saying that directly helps the Texans given that they are currently going through a spell of having to decide who their core is going to be the next few years.

The real good, stable long terms teams have been that way for a while because they have learned to manage the cap teams like Pitt, N.E., Balt, Philly, and I think you gotta add the NYG to that list now.

I do think there is going to be some dead money coming off the books next year so that might help.

To me this is why guys like Wade and Gary in terms of being an offensive guru come into play. You need guys who have a system in place where you know what you are looking for and can plug them in and get production. You pay big performers the money and get what you can out of the draft and finding reasonable picks ups in FA.

I think the biggest gripe in the past for fans of the Texans was not being a big player in the FA market when there wasn't the kind of team core you could build around. Right now they've JUST entered that phase were you CAN point to guys and say... this is who we're going to build around. It's not hard to me atm to justify pretty much every extension the team has given out this year. I think for the first time we're seeing that.
Nope. Last season under old CBA 2009: The cap was due to increase $7 million to $123 million this season, but additional adjustments stipulated in the current CBA will increase the total amount that teams can spend on player compensation to about $128 million. The $12 million increase is the largest in three years. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4169590


2010: uncapped

2011: first under new CBA : Earlier this week it was revealed that the salary cap for the 2011 NFL season would be 120 million. John Clayton also reported that there could be an addition 20 million available in ancillary benefits. The biggest development is that the cap floor will be 90% of the cap. Raising the cap floor will force all teams to spend at least 108M.http://nflfootballnow.com/2011/07/21...2-teams-stand/

2012: The salary cap for next season has been set at $120.6 million, according to league sources. As expected, the figure is almost identical to last year’s salary cap of $120 million.The league later confirmed the figures'

2013: ESPN’s John Clayton previously reported that the cap is supposed to go from $120.6 million to roughly $120.9 million in 2013. That’s an increase of only $300,000 -- not good news for any NFC South team.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...ntinue-in-2013

Also: 2013: Minimum team spending begins: One of the highlights of the labor deal, from the perspective of the players, comes from the requirement that each team muat spend at least 89 percent of the salary cap in cash on an annual basis. “We cannot have teams like KC spend only 67% of the cap like they did in 2009,” Saints quarterback Drew Brees wrote in an e-mail to his teammates. “It doesn’t matter how high the cap is if they are only going to spend that much. So with a minimum in place, it requires all teams to be at or above that minimum. More money in players pockets.”

The players got what they wanted. But it doesn’t apply until 2013.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ly-until-2013/

GS, here is a great tool for cap questions http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/FAQ.aspx
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I'm going to assume Wade & Gary were right & their "projects" work out. Caldwell & Newton, already as good as Brisiel & Winston in pass pro step it up & we again have the best line in the NFL at the end of the season. Myers & Brown go to the Pro-Bowl & first team All-pro. Garrett, Casey, & OD become the best trio of TE/FBs in the league. & Jean & Martin solidify our recieving needs & Posey shows flashes of why he was drafted (he's been out of football for a long time, expecting him to be uber productive with the number of young WR talent + Andre + Walter + TEs/FB + Foster/Tate is asking for a bit too much).

Reed blows up, Barwin blows up, Merci blows up, Crick takes over at NT, Watt stays Watt, Kareem & Jjo go to the Pro-bowl, Joseph is also All-Pro, Jackson is 2nd team, Quin & Manning are the best safety tandem in the league....

In short, we have no glaring needs.

Assuming this, I'd hope the Texans would draft...... the most dynamic punt/kick returner in the draft.
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I'm going to assume Wade & Gary were right & their "projects" work out. Caldwell & Newton, already as good as Brisiel & Winston in pass pro step it up & we again have the best line in the NFL at the end of the season. Myers & Brown go to the Pro-Bowl & first team All-pro. Garrett, Casey, & OD become the best trio of TE/FBs in the league. & Jean & Martin solidify our recieving needs & Posey shows flashes of why he was drafted (he's been out of football for a long time, expecting him to be uber productive with the number of young WR talent + Andre + Walter + TEs/FB + Foster/Tate is asking for a bit too much).

Reed blows up, Barwin blows up, Merci blows up, Crick takes over at NT, Watt stays Watt, Kareem & Jjo go to the Pro-bowl, Joseph is also All-Pro, Jackson is 2nd team, Quin & Manning are the best safety tandem in the league....

In short, we have no glaring needs.

Assuming this, I'd hope the Texans would draft...... the most dynamic punt/kick returner in the draft.
As you know there are some red flags waving in your post. Jean has to remain healthy enough to get on field and then do something. Posey to be worth a third should be able to line up out of the neutral zone even if he missed last year. I have little to no expectations of him this season but he better get it together next season same as Brandon Harris who should be cut if he can't do much better by game 2-3 next year if McCain gone. I think FA Caldwell is gone & why we drafted Jones and Brooks & Smith placed rookie Cody WHite OG on roster when another team tried to sign him off PS.
Crick is doing all he can to earn a spot at DE but is not a nose. Cody is FA and Mitchell is not a starter. In short a glaring need.

AJ as of now is an average WR1 and there is no deep threat on the roster. In short a glaring need.

You completely ignore ILB with James doing little and absolutely nothing behind him. In short a glaring need.

If Barwin blows up, we cannot afford to re-sign him most likely and if he does not do much more than he has prior to Baltimore, why should we keep him. OLBs in our scheme are not assigned to get close to QB but to disrupt and sack QB. If he is gone (Mario) we have basically same package as last year. Mercilus plays the Brooks Reed role as new starter & if we continue with script fom last draft, we go OLB in first round. In short a pretty glaring need.

If FA Quin wants more than we can pay, in short a glaring need.

If FA McCain leaves who replaces him? Carmichael and Harris cannot get on field. In short a glaring need.
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Now that the season is halfway over and we've had a good chance to evaluate the team, let's see yalls updated list of team needs in the 2013 draft in order. You can take into affect who you think we'll lose/retain in FA. Does DE become a need with the injury to Jamison, if so what round? Do you have faith in Newton to be the answer at RT, will he anchor the position for years to come, and if not what round to select his replacement?
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Now that the season is halfway over and we've had a good chance to evaluate the team, let's see yalls updated list of team needs in the 2013 draft in order. You can take into affect who you think we'll lose/retain in FA. Does DE become a need with the injury to Jamison, if so what round? Do you have faith in Newton to be the answer at RT, will he anchor the position for years to come, and if not what round to select his replacement?
I don't think Jamison changes our draft plans. We were likely to draft a DE anyways to groom in case Antonio leaves in the near future. Newton's play at RT has net been as good as expected making that our biggest need.

I see us re-signing Quin and Casey and one of the vet ILBs. I think Barwin gets paid more elsewhere and Cody is replaceable. With that said here's how I see our draft needs:

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RT - Newton has failed IMO but would be a good swing tackle. Unfortunately, most of the top this OT class are juniors so it remains to be seen if there will be one for us at the end of round 1.

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ILB - Need a starter here. This is not a higher need because it's a 2-down position. I think the biggest question is whether we want a coverage LB or a thumper type. Our ILBs this season have struggled in coverage but generally the 2-down ILB is used in running and not passing downs.
DT - Similar to ILB. Don't think we go for a behemoth as ability to penetrate is more important in this system.
OG/C - Caldwell replacement and potential heir to Wade Smith. If they can play OC even better given that our backup OC is now our starting RG.
CB - McCain is a FA and we seem to draft a mid-round CB often.

Late or BPA in earlier rounds:
DE - Will Antonio price himself out of our range?
S - Can we find somebody better that Quintin Demps as our dime back?
WR - Will Kubiak give up on Posey this early? Walter also only has 1 more season with no guaranteed money left.
RB - Tate might be trade-bait
TE - no true blocking TE on the team anymore.
OLB - Just for depth. Mercilus can replace Barwin's production.
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I don't think Jamison changes our draft plans. We were likely to draft a DE anyways to groom in case Antonio leaves in the near future. Newton's play at RT has net been as good as expected making that our biggest need.

I see us re-signing Quin and Casey and one of the vet ILBs. I think Barwin gets paid more elsewhere and Cody is replaceable. With that said here's how I see our draft needs:

Early:
RT - Newton has failed IMO but would be a good swing tackle. Unfortunately, most of the top this OT class are juniors so it remains to be seen if there will be one for us at the end of round 1.

Middle:
ILB - Need a starter here. This is not a higher need because it's a 2-down position. I think the biggest question is whether we want a coverage LB or a thumper type. Our ILBs this season have struggled in coverage but generally the 2-down ILB is used in running and not passing downs.
DT - Similar to ILB. Don't think we go for a behemoth as ability to penetrate is more important in this system.
OG/C - Caldwell replacement and potential heir to Wade Smith. If they can play OC even better given that our backup OC is now our starting RG.
CB - McCain is a FA and we seem to draft a mid-round CB often.

Late or BPA in earlier rounds:
DE - Will Antonio price himself out of our range?
S - Can we find somebody better that Quintin Demps as our dime back?
WR - Will Kubiak give up on Posey this early? Walter also only has 1 more season with no guaranteed money left.
RB - Tate might be trade-bait
TE - no true blocking TE on the team anymore.
OLB - Just for depth. Mercilus can replace Barwin's production.
I disagree with you on Newton. He gave up the sack to Mario but compare him to D. Brown's first season. Derek is in second year but only had about 17 snaps last season.
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Texans or any football organization will always have needs. One concept that is hard to diagnose are cap ramifications as player career's transcend, evolve in scheme, clubhouse impact on field production. Can they be replaced & what is the cost? Texans draft based on best player available who can help improve/sustain team. So in essence it could be any position if that player is deemed best player on their board. WR, NT, ILB, DE, OT, CB & Safety are all valued positions, could be any of them, whoever falls into their laps. My focus & others who study the draft are to find & select elite talent who fit on this team. It's not enough just to say he has a high motor, prospect should also have athletic ability to become a play maker. Speed alone won't cut it, must also block, run correct routes & play smart. A prospect can plug the middle but also demonstrate ability to penetrate & collapse the pocket. Linemen maybe asked to kick inside or play outside so versatility is a plus. A corner who can play on an island yet physical with size & competent in run support or blitz the QB another favorite.

For each position they are layers of skill sets Texans grade out as important, ultimately built into their draft grade so when the moment comes in April all the research & evaluation allow them to see clearly in the ultra competitive environment that is the NFL Draft.
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I know it's a bit early but what do you think our team needs will be in the 2013 draft? Take into account players reaching FA, expensive players about to reach FA, salary cap casualties, needs not addressed in 2012 draft, under performing players, etc... I can forcast the needs being:

DE, I think Antonio Smith is a salary cap casualty and depending on value may be replaced early unless Crick just becomes a beast.
DT/NT, I think Sean Cody is a salary cap casualty and a new rotation at NT will be Mitchell and 2013 draft pick unless Fangupo becomes a beast from UDFA.
CB, you can never have to many good CB's and next season we'll see what we have in Jackson, Carmichael, and Harris. If someone lets us down this could be an early pick.
RB, Tate will be a FA after 2013 season so we may look for a replacement a year early depending on value on the board and trade Tate after next season, like the Pats do, unless he agrees to a very team friendly extension which isn't likely.
OT, Butler will be a FA after next season and thus will become quite expensive unless we're sure he's the future of the RT position and we extend him in mid season for a team friendly price.
WR, regardless of the 2012 draft we probably still have a big hole at #2 WR.
QB, we had a thread devoted to the possible trade up in 2013 draft for a future franchise QB unless we see alot of improvement in Yates next season.
TE, OD is getting more expensive and he's just not as good as he was 2-3 yrs. ago.

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Decided to read your original thread again at 7-1. I may have posted this before but it is so obvious to me (lol) Crick may eventually replace Smith but maybe not if Smith plays as he has last two seasons. Texans would save his last contract year bonus $2.5m count against 2013 cap but could save his $6m salary if cut after this season. That is significant and at 32 next year, I cannot see him being extended even to lower his salary. How do we replace him? I use to think Earl Mitchell, not so sure now. If we see more of Crick that should tell us something.

Nose in draft is a must.

Corner? I think we are solid UNLESS Joseph's injury get's worth or reduces his ability. He is good at 90 % but we need him to be JJ of last year rest of his career. He plays such an important role.

Tate I cannot get a grasp of him or what to do going forward. He is rib-eye on the field but if you can only look at it on the menu, it does nothing to feed the hunger. I think his trade value is dropping every missed game. Hopefully, he will be back soon & have solid games. We were in driver's seat with trading him for value or playing him thru his cheap 2013 contract.

Forsett is all over the board even if his over all avg is good 4.4. How he got there is crazy first and last game less than 2 yds avg with second and third very good 5.3 (Baltimore) 6.7 GB. Too crazy to figure out. He's probably gone in free agency.

WR if a Woods or Allen (injury out for season) drops we should draft him first round as a franchise type player. I do not see that. I am hoping Nix falls to us in second so we can use first for a special guy I am reviewing. Problem is, how do you allow the best Nose to get past you in first and sweat 32+ picks? See above..Nose is a must.

TE: are you feeling silly yet about OD not as good as 2-3 years earlier? At mid season, he is avg 4.62 receptions/game x 13.9 yds per catch= 64.2875 per game x 8 remaining games= 514.3 yds. He has 478 + 514= 992 yards. As he is 30 (Nov 9th) with two years left = $8.5, do you bonus him & extend him a couple years non guaranteed to lower cap hit? Could Casey step into OD's shoes next season and we cut Daniels & save 8.5m? If so, better find a FB. Would Graham be a possible FB?

OLB (not on your list) nothing has changed to convince me Barwin returns.
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Wow doing Texans 2013 draft needs in order of importance is tough, harder than I thought it would be. I think the Texans take a BPA at a position of need approach to the draft.

1. NT, Cody will be a FA, not worthy of an expensive FA contract, and Mitchell isn't ready to be a full time NT. I think Mitchell should be moved to DE depth with the injury to Jamison and solve our DE depth issues. 1st or 2nd round pick.

2. WR, I like Martin at #3 in the slot but Jean has shown nothing, and I think Posey was just a mistake. Obvious need, 1st - 3rd round pick.

3. O-line, RT is the giant elephant in the room that's obvious to everyone but no one knows what to do yet. I guess we'll know more about Newton at the end of the season. I still think a quality OT/OG pick is a necessity as the future of the O-line looks to be changing in the next couple years (Caldwell, W. Smith, and possibly Newton). This might be addresses twice in rounds 2 - 5.

4. ILB, provided Cushing is back next year it sure would be nice to have a young talented 2 down ILB playing next to him, one with potential for the future. 3rd - 5th round.

5. CB, I think we lose McCain to FA so some depth here would be nice. We still don't know what we have in Harris and Carmichael. 4th - 5th round.

6. FB & P, they're not glaring needs but solidifying these positions for years to come sure would be nice with some young inexpensive talent. 6th or 7th round.


DE is a possibility if like BB says and we save the 6 mil. salary but pay out the 2.5 mil. bonus to Antonio Smith. He's been playing really well and I'd hate to lose him in a money saving venture. Also if we cut Antonio to save money we'd be replacing 2/3 of our D-line at one time, and that can't be good.

TE is also a possibility but I think OD contract makes it unwise to cut him to try and save some money and he has also been playing extremely well this year, contrary to what I thought would happen. Got that one wrong obviously. Wrap some bacon around it and even crow tastes good.

RB is another possibility depending on what we do with Tate in the offseason. His trade stock sure seems to be going down this year though with little use and injuries. Hopefully he gets better and plows us into the playoffs and raises his trade stock again. With so many other needs/places to improve we sure could use the extra picks.

Safety, if we re-sign Quin this isn't really much of a need, I like Demps and Nolan as depth. They aren't starters but they're not bad either, maybe some late round Safety competition that moves Keo off the roster.

OLB, another position that's only a possibility if we lose Barwin to FA. I sure don't want him to go but I can only see him staying if we really get a sweet heart deal from him. I think BB might be right here, we may lose him, I'm 50/50 on the issue at this time. We won't be keeping Mercilus on the bench next season but we could possibly move Reed to ILB so that we can keep all 3 (Barwin, Reed, and Mercilus) and also solve our ILB issues at the same time. Food for thought.
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Wow doing Texans 2013 draft needs in order of importance is tough, harder than I thought it would be. I think the Texans take a BPA at a position of need approach to the draft.

1. NT, Cody will be a FA, not worthy of an expensive FA contract, and Mitchell isn't ready to be a full time NT. I think Mitchell should be moved to DE depth with the injury to Jamison and solve our DE depth issues. 1st or 2nd round pick.

2. WR, I like Martin at #3 in the slot but Jean has shown nothing, and I think Posey was just a mistake. Obvious need, 1st - 3rd round pick.

3. O-line, RT is the giant elephant in the room that's obvious to everyone but no one knows what to do yet. I guess we'll know more about Newton at the end of the season. I still think a quality OT/OG pick is a necessity as the future of the O-line looks to be changing in the next couple years (Caldwell, W. Smith, and possibly Newton). This might be addresses twice in rounds 2 - 5.

4. ILB, provided Cushing is back next year it sure would be nice to have a young talented 2 down ILB playing next to him, one with potential for the future. 3rd - 5th round.

5. CB, I think we lose McCain to FA so some depth here would be nice. We still don't know what we have in Harris and Carmichael. 4th - 5th round.

6. FB & P, they're not glaring needs but solidifying these positions for years to come sure would be nice with some young inexpensive talent. 6th or 7th round.


DE is a possibility if like BB says and we save the 6 mil. salary but pay out the 2.5 mil. bonus to Antonio Smith. He's been playing really well and I'd hate to lose him in a money saving venture. Also if we cut Antonio to save money we'd be replacing 2/3 of our D-line at one time, and that can't be good.

TE is also a possibility but I think OD contract makes it unwise to cut him to try and save some money and he has also been playing extremely well this year, contrary to what I thought would happen. Got that one wrong obviously. Wrap some bacon around it and even crow tastes good.
i think we resign cody. he wont demand much money we will be able to resign him but i agree that NT is still a massive need. you get another playmaker on that line and it becomes a force for the next 10 years! THINK ABOUT THAT !!!

i dont think WR is a need this season, to call posey a mistake this early i think is a little rash i would give one more year. unless one of the top WR's fall.
Im all for bringing in another TE over a WR. THe 2nd TE is a lot more important in our Offence the the 2nd WR.

everything else im with you
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i think we resign cody. he wont demand much money we will be able to resign him but i agree that NT is still a massive need. you get another playmaker on that line and it becomes a force for the next 10 years! THINK ABOUT THAT !!!

i dont think WR is a need this season, to call posey a mistake this early i think is a little rash i would give one more year. unless one of the top WR's fall.
Im all for bringing in another TE over a WR. THe 2nd TE is a lot more important in our Offence the the 2nd WR.

everything else im with you
FYI, some of us (mostly mockers) watch and talk about players way before they get to NFL.

WR: I tend to agree with you on WR especially Posey being given another year. Still, if a super good WR drops, I'd be all over that as you said. Also agree with you on TE. Will be adding a thread (not a mock) to NFL Mock section soon. Appreciate your comments.
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