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Old 10-20-2012   #61
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Ok, well ill just agree to disagree that wr is a top priority.

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Ok, well ill just agree to disagree that wr is a top priority.

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Im with you on the WR position at least for the time being. I want to see how these young guy's perform thru the rest of the season before I pass judgement.


NT , ILB and OL are my top priorities as it stands now and picking late in the first round (one would assume) would be a good use of assets in picking one of those positions as the early picks tend to be used at more glamour positions. There is value to be found.
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Im with you on the WR position at least for the time being. I want to see how these young guy's perform thru the rest of the season before I pass judgement.


NT , ILB and OL are my top priorities as it stands now and picking late in the first round (one would assume) would be a good use of assets in picking one of those positions as the early picks tend to be used at more glamour positions. There is value to be found.
As I posted earlier, I don't see Kubiak going against history and moving any of our current WRs; however, BL has an accurate eval of our guys. None have done anything much including AJ. I love the guy but he is not the AJ of old. Not sure of reason.

If there is a guy that is a vast improvement over what we have, especially if he is an eventual replacement for Johnson, I pull trigger in first.
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i think regardless of how our young guys perform, it's way past time to go after a #1 receiver. we may have some talent to develop, but i dont see anyone on our roster taking the job from andre. walter's going to get cut as soon as the next guy shows up, and martin looks to have the slot position. with 'dre slowing down i would move him to walter's spot and use our first on a #1 receiver - possibly moving tate to trade up.

ILB is the second position of need for me, but i'd be looking for a complete 3 down player if at all possible. someone who stays on the field with cushing when we go to nickel instead of rotating in another safety. more and more teams are spreading the field and we need to be more complete up front in nickel formations.

NT for obvious reasons is still something to look at, though one i'd probably look more towards free agency to find one - we know how well early round defensive tackles can be evaluated.

TE, OL, DB - late round players to continue adding depth.
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i think regardless of how our young guys perform, it's way past time to go after a #1 receiver. we may have some talent to develop, but i dont see anyone on our roster taking the job from andre. walter's going to get cut as soon as the next guy shows up, and martin looks to have the slot position. with 'dre slowing down i would move him to walter's spot and use our first on a #1 receiver - possibly moving tate to trade up.

ILB is the second position of need for me, but i'd be looking for a complete 3 down player if at all possible. someone who stays on the field with cushing when we go to nickel instead of rotating in another safety. more and more teams are spreading the field and we need to be more complete up front in nickel formations.

NT for obvious reasons is still something to look at, though one i'd probably look more towards free agency to find one - we know how well early round defensive tackles can be evaluated.

TE, OL, DB - late round players to continue adding depth.
damn fine job scooter, I like the way you made it sound so simple
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i think regardless of how our young guys perform, it's way past time to go after a #1 receiver. we may have some talent to develop, but i dont see anyone on our roster taking the job from andre. walter's going to get cut as soon as the next guy shows up, and martin looks to have the slot position. with 'dre slowing down i would move him to walter's spot and use our first on a #1 receiver - possibly moving tate to trade up.

ILB is the second position of need for me, but i'd be looking for a complete 3 down player if at all possible. someone who stays on the field with cushing when we go to nickel instead of rotating in another safety. more and more teams are spreading the field and we need to be more complete up front in nickel formations.

NT for obvious reasons is still something to look at, though one i'd probably look more towards free agency to find one - we know how well early round defensive tackles can be evaluated.

TE, OL, DB - late round players to continue adding depth.
Yep let's go get a free agent nose to start and who will agree to play for nothing. lol
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Yep let's go get a free agent nose to start and who will agree to play for nothing. lol
Yep ... 300 plus guys who have a high motor and can move are called multi millionaires and are worth every penny .

The SEC has some huge NG types this year .
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Yep ... 300 plus guys who have a high motor and can move are called multi millionaires and are worth every penny .

The SEC has some huge NG types this year .
Evaluating one now and Sylvester Williams plays @ 6 against Duke and Jesse Williams plays @ 6 against Tennessee (WR Cordarelle Patterson).
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Yep let's go get a free agent nose to start and who will agree to play for nothing. lol
We already have something pretty close in Cody, I think it's possible he resigns. But, I think Scooter's point is the FO can likely find comparable production via FA as opposed to sinking a high draft pick in an NT.

I'm with Scooter far as where our top two choices should be, personally I'd go ILB because the depth there is lacking but also because I don't think Bradie James is going to be here next year. Texans need a second 3 down ILB who can cover.

I'm not overly concerned at OLB right now and after dropping a first last year ona guy who is supposed to turn into a monster rusher last year I think the FO can look later in the draft for depth.
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Yep let's go get a free agent nose to start and who will agree to play for nothing. lol
we have 2 on the team now. smith did as much a few years ago, filling our ranks will well playing walk ons. sure the big names are going to command big money, but there are plenty of motivated heavies each year. my point was you're more likely to get production out of an overlooked free agent than amobi okoye or travis johnson - DT appears to miss more than hit in early rounds.
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we have 2 on the team now. smith did as much a few years ago, filling our ranks will well playing walk ons. sure the big names are going to command big money, but there are plenty of motivated heavies each year. my point was you're more likely to get production out of an overlooked free agent than amobi okoye or travis johnson - DT appears to miss more than hit in early rounds.
Yep ... but you have to draft Vince Wolfork and Casey Hampton .
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Yep ... but you have to draft Vince Wolfork and Casey Hampton .
2004 is when I became serious about the draft. Last week Wilfork was my pick (for the Texans) does that count for anything
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We already have something pretty close in Cody, I think it's possible he resigns. But, I think Scooter's point is the FO can likely find comparable production via FA as opposed to sinking a high draft pick in an NT.

I'm with Scooter far as where our top two choices should be, personally I'd go ILB because the depth there is lacking but also because I don't think Bradie James is going to be here next year. Texans need a second 3 down ILB who can cover.

I'm not overly concerned at OLB right now and after dropping a first last year ona guy who is supposed to turn into a monster rusher last year I think the FO can look later in the draft for depth.
Cody has played better than I expected but still our middle is a sieve. We can get a starter as low as third round. Cody is 30 in Jan & has back disk problems. Te'o is considered top 15 & Kevin Minter 2nd rated ILB (I like him) only got one tackle today against Texas A&M; was a sack but only one tackle? We have an ILB that can replace James and start but later than 2nd round.
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we have 2 on the team now. smith did as much a few years ago, filling our ranks will well playing walk ons. sure the big names are going to command big money, but there are plenty of motivated heavies each year. my point was you're more likely to get production out of an overlooked free agent than amobi okoye or travis johnson - DT appears to miss more than hit in early rounds.
Two what? I think Wade Phillips has convinced most fans he knows how to draft. We are a SB contender with no cap room & we should not be signing low cost free agents to play significant minutes let alone start. See Alan Ball & Bradie James. This team is now where we should be drafting not signing FAs.
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Anybody knows much about Ezekiel Ansah (BYU)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

I saw him played anywhere on the line, from NT to OLB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O4NawUsjtc

During the BYU/ND game today, Mike Mayock mentioned that some scout told him Ansah may even slip into the first round. Can you believe that?
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Anybody knows much about Ezekiel Ansah (BYU)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

I saw him played anywhere on the line, from NT to OLB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O4NawUsjtc

During the BYU/ND game today, Mike Mayock mentioned that some scout told him Ansah may even slip into the first round. Can you believe that?
yeah been watching him for a bit and he should be climbing up boards.
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Cody has played better than I expected but still our middle is a sieve. We can get a starter as low as third round. Cody is 30 in Jan & has back disk problems. Te'o is considered top 15 & Kevin Minter 2nd rated ILB (I like him) only got one tackle today against Texas A&M; was a sack but only one tackle? We have an ILB that can replace James and start but later than 2nd round.
Yep really would love to get Te'o and Cushing on the field, that'd be sick, too bad it's very unlikely to happen.

Saw the LSU game, but they had to play differently than they usually do, containing Manziel as opposed to the way they usually play downhill.

Who replaces James? Dobbins? Sharpton?

I guess I just think getting an ILB would give more immediate results than tagging another DT high, they're just so boom or bust.
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Anybody knows much about Ezekiel Ansah (BYU)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

I saw him played anywhere on the line, from NT to OLB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JxQlaxBHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O4NawUsjtc

During the BYU/ND game today, Mike Mayock mentioned that some scout told him Ansah may even slip into the first round. Can you believe that?
Anything can happen. I think first is a bit high (due to him being so raw), but the athleticism is there. The comparisons to JPP are quite accurate, in my opinion.
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Two what? I think Wade Phillips has convinced most fans he knows how to draft. We are a SB contender with no cap room & we should not be signing low cost free agents to play significant minutes let alone start. See Alan Ball & Bradie James. This team is now where we should be drafting not signing FAs.
I think for a team to be truely successful , you have to do both - draft well and supliment your roster with quality signings from the FA market. That doesnt necessarily mean high priced , but high production for the cost.

The FA market tends to be the more expensive route to filling roster spots especially when dealing with veteran players as they have a higher minimum salary to go along with a body of work to base pay on. And premium positions /players expect a premium salary (See Mario Williams).
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I think for a team to be truely successful , you have to do both - draft well and supliment your roster with quality signings from the FA market. That doesnt necessarily mean high priced , but high production for the cost.

The FA market tends to be the more expensive route to filling roster spots especially when dealing with veteran players as they have a higher minimum salary to go along with a body of work to base pay on. And premium positions /players expect a premium salary (See Mario Williams).
Salary cap has just about eliminated free agent movement & that is what NFL wanted. We will see an occasional pick up like Harris who may give you a year or two at cheap cost but draft is way to go in future.
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