Right Guard: It's On

[badboy]

Did you see the RZ play when Newton moved to RG and Harris was RT? TD, BABY!

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by MojoMan

The Texans should receive a number of supplemental draft picks this season, probably including a 3rd rounder from the departure of Mario Williams and maybe a couple of others. Add this to the Texans seven existing picks, and a pretty stocked roster.

The Texans will have the luxury of draft another guard pretty high up to eventually replace Wade Smith, if they want to. And they will also be able to draft another quality backup tackle as well.

Forgot about that supplemental pick....would be very nice to have an extra 3rd or fourth or draft or use as ammo to move up.

However, my question to you is either Harris or Newton a long term solution at RT?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Forgot about that supplemental pick....would be very nice to have an extra 3rd or fourth or draft or use as ammo to move up.

However, my question to you is either Harris or Newton a long term solution at RT?

I was tld supplementals cannot be traded but we can trade ours and keep supp.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

FYI, Brooks is now down to 320 pounds.

I heard earlier that if Caldwell can't go Brooks could see some time playing Guard...

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

Did you see the RZ play when Newton moved to RG and Harris was RT? TD, BABY!

No, BB, we were in our jumbo set both times.
Newton was at his normal RT spot and Harris was the extra OT on Newton's outside.
Jones was stil there at RG (one time he pulled to the outside behind both OTs.)
That's just how we roll quite often near the goal line.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

FYI, Brooks is now down to 320 pounds.

Originally Posted by Rey

I heard earlier that if Caldwell can't go Brooks could see some time playing Guard...

With neither guard fully healthy and B. Jones hitting a little of a brick wall, we might just see him on the field.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

No, BB, we were in our jumbo set both times.
Newton was at his normal RT spot and Harris was the extra OT on Newton's outside.
Jones was stil there at RG (one time he pulled to the outside behind both OTs.)
That's just how we roll quite often near the goal line.

That goal line series made me kind of sad. Ran a similar formation the first time and got nowhere, then put in another blocker on the right between the RT and TE, pulled the guard, had the fullback lead Foster again, and finally got in there. That seems like overkill to me, but it was completely necessary because we couldn't get the push needed without the extra guy.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

That goal line series made me kind of sad. Ran a similar formation the first time and got nowhere, then put in another blocker on the right between the RT and TE, pulled the guard, had the fullback lead Foster again, and finally got in there. That seems like overkill to me, but it was completely necessary because we couldn't get the push needed without the extra guy.

Not really, Dutch.

Lots of teams, including the Pats, use that extra OT near the goal-line from time to time.

Or like the Dolphins, when they started all that wild cat thing, use an extra OT quite often.

Also, we have used this formation forever, when Salaam was still with us.
Near the goal-line, sometimes we would see D. Brown, Salaam, and Winston as OTs.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

No, BB, we were in our jumbo set both times.
Newton was at his normal RT spot and Harris was the extra OT on Newton's outside.
Jones was stil there at RG (one time he pulled to the outside behind both OTs.)
That's just how we roll quite often near the goal line.

I thought I saw Jones in there but when I looked for Myers and did not see him, I though he was out a play. So we went with 6 OL?

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

I thought I saw Jones in there but when I looked for Myers and did not see him, I though he was out a play. So we went with 6 OL?

We ran the exact same play on both TD runs.
Myers went immediately for a cut block both times; that's probably why you didn't see him.

According to Football Outsiders, Myers & W. Smith played every offensive snaps.
D. Brown was not in on 3 of them.

BTW, does anybody knows what Kubiak means when he says that Caldwell is going through the protocol with the league regarding his concussion.

Does that mean that he's automatically out for one game?

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

BTW, does anybody knows what Kubiak means when he says that Caldwell is going through the protocol with the league regarding his concussion.

Does that mean that he's automatically out for one game?

No. That means that he can practice this week but we won't know if he can play until they run the second test on him.

Basically, when you get a concussion, the protocol is to run the neurological tests against the player then and then a few days later. Then they look at the results of those tests, compare against his baseline, and decide whether he can play or not.

The second test could be run anywhere from Thursday to Saturday, I think.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

No. That means that he can practice this week but we won't know if he can play until they run the second test on him.

Basically, when you get a concussion, the protocol is to run the neurological tests against the player then and then a few days later. Then they look at the results of those tests, compare against his baseline, and decide whether he can play or not.

The second test could be run anywhere from Thursday to Saturday, I think.

Thanks, TPN!

Strictly curious here.
Who runs the test? The team or the league?
Is this self-policing in which case, the team just needs to submit the result of the test to the league, and that's it?

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Thanks, TPN!

Strictly curious here.
Who runs the test? The team or the league?
Is this self-policing in which case, the team just needs to submit the result of the test to the league, and that's it?

I think it's the team doctors doing the test. They definitely do the first test because that's on the sideline. The second test might be done by someone else. When Kubiak was talking about it, it sounded like the day the test was done was dependent on someone else's schedule.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Not really, Dutch.

Lots of teams, including the Pats, use that extra OT near the goal-line from time to time.

Or like the Dolphins, when they started all that wild cat thing, use an extra OT quite often.

Also, we have used this formation forever, when Salaam was still with us.
Near the goal-line, sometimes we would see D. Brown, Salaam, and Winston as OTs.

Yep...We used it last year too...Newton used to come in as the extra lineman..

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

I think it's the team doctors doing the test. They definitely do the first test because that's on the sideline. The second test might be done by someone else. When Kubiak was talking about it, it sounded like the day the test was done was dependent on someone else's schedule.

One reason that I feel that this is mostly show is that actually the trainers are allowed to assess (not diagnose or make final recommendations) on the field and transmit their "findings" by phone to doctors. No neurologists are involved. If they are removed from the game, they can return to play with more stringent criteria.

Re. RG III:

“He seemed fine, seemed in good spirits. He appeared to be doing well,” Cousins said.

Griffin was scheduled to see an independent neurologist Monday evening. If he passes tests administered by that physician, he would be evaluated on a treadmill and do other physical work Tuesday, Shanahan said.

Before he can receive clearance to play, Griffin must pass neurological tests administered both by team doctors and an independent neurosurgeon, and must demonstrate that he can exercise at game-level exertion without a recurrence of concussion symptoms, according to Thom Mayer, medical director of the NFL Players Association.

The neuropsychological evaluation typically includes elements that measure reaction time and shape recognition, Mayer said. Many NFL teams use the computerized ImPACT (Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Testing) test, Mayer said. To pass, Griffin would have to achieve results comparable to his baseline results from previous testing. Shanahan was unsure whether the Redskins employ the computerized testing system.

According to the ImPACT Web site, the test measures “verbal and visual memory, processing speed and reaction time.” Reaction time is measured to a hundredth of a second. The test, which takes approximately 20 minutes, measures aspects of cognitive functioning that include attention span, working memory, sustained and selective attention time, non-verbal problem-solving and reaction time.

Shanahan expressed optimism that Griffin would be able to play Sunday. But the coach said it is possible for the quarterback to suffer a setback in coming days that could prevent him from playing.

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An initial evaluation re. a possible concussion by a neurologist vs a trainer/medical staff may be very more complete with more cautious approach to removal from the game. The problem is that there can be "skip" times where symptoms can be absent or quickly leave and come back over long periods of time. The subsequent evaluation following the player being permanently pulled from a game will be performed by a neurologist plus the medical staff . Most "independent" neurologists would feel pretty uncomfortable to allow a private patient to return the next week/game, even if the patient is symptom free during that week.

There is definitely a reason why the NFL and the NFLPA do not want a board-certified neurologist on the sidelines. There would be more players forced to leave the field........and stay off the field.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

One reason that I feel that this is mostly show is that actually the trainers are allowed to assess (not diagnose or make final recommendations) on the field and transmit their "findings" by phone to doctors. No neurologists are involved. If they are removed from the game, they can return to play with more stringent criteria.

Re. RG III:
link

An initial evaluation re. a possible concussion by a neurologist vs a trainer/medical staff may be very more complete with more cautious approach to removal from the game. The problem is that there can be "skip" times where symptoms can be absent or quickly leave and come back over long periods of time. The subsequent evaluation following the player being permanently pulled from a game will be performed by a neurologist plus the medical staff . Most "independent" neurologists would feel pretty uncomfortable to allow a private patient to return the next week/game, even if the patient is symptom free during that week.

There is definitely a reason why the NFL and the NFLPA do not want a board-certified neurologist on the sidelines. There would be more players forced to leave the field........and stay off the field.

You would think the NFLPA's stance is different than that of the NFL, it isn't?

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Rey

Yep...We used it last year too...Newton used to come in as the extra lineman..

I remember mentioning it.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

You would think the NFLPA's stance is different than that of the NFL, it isn't?

No. The players want to have more "control" over if they (or want) feel they can return to the game. A neurologist will be more likely to recognize fine points that would make re-entry into a game unwise, and make decisions more on the side of caution.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

No. The players want to have more "control" over if they (or want) feel they can return to the game. A neurologist will be more likely to recognize fine points that would make re-entry into a game unwise, and make decisions more on the side of caution.

Maybe it has something to do with their pocket book?

We've known some players have certain clause in their contract on how much they get paid depends on how much they play.

I guess it's a risk they're willing to take.

I think it was Tim Green in The Dark Side of the Game mentioning a player saying he needs to put food on the table just like everybody else.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Maybe it has something to do with their pocket book?

We've known some players have certain clause in their contract on how much they get paid depends on how much they play.

I guess it's a risk they're willing to take.

I think it was Tim Green in The Dark Side of the Game mentioning a player saying he needs to put food on the table just like everybody else.

That's exactly why the NFLPA has been resistant.