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Old 10-16-2012   #61
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I think opposing OCs have figured out that our corners have done a good job of jumping on a WRs initial move, and are now toasting us on double move after double move. JJo is just flat out hurting with that groin, and as others have said (as well as I) he never got better after the initial problem weeks ago. His hips are slow, and has no chance once there is any change of direction. You actually have QBs picking on JJo instead of KJ, and our safeties canít bail them out on every play. With Lewis coming in, he is going to just run it down our throat and pull our safety in for run support, so I expect to see the Ravens torch us deep again this week.
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Old 10-16-2012   #62
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Again, just because they play off the receiver isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's a technique that works well, even against the slant. The problem in the past, is that our corners weren't good enough to stop the slant working with as much cushion as was given. Then they weren't any good, playing press.

It's not about the QB. IT's more about the reciever knowing he's going to get blown up.


eh.... he used that same technique at different points during that game & held Brees in check for most of them. For whatever reason, he played those two drives poorly. It wasn't that he was off the receiver, but he wouldn't attack the ball.

Jjo has been using that a lot lately, I assume because of his groin. He can't run like he used to, so he's trying to get an edge.... cheat a little on the deep routes. If he were 100%, it would have been a totally different game & he'd have played it totally different.
unless that cb is say brandon browner of the seahawks or the WR is a flat out *&%$#, WR's aren't fearing getting hit or blown up anymore; the league has made sure of that with its definitions of defensless reciever and all that nonsense.

As far as KJ, there's a reason he wouldn't attack it...fear of getting beat deep on double moves & if the timing is good enough with the qb & the WR, the cb has no time to react.

I'm not saying that it doesn't work, what i'm saying is that it's not likely to be as effective a strategy with an upper echelon qb/wr combo that have tons of chemistry together like Rodgers/Nelson/Jones/Jennings. Especially with them still gashing us with the run like they were doing.

Besides, both of our cb's had already been beat deep, Rodgers just missed the 1 on KJ's side on the 1st series. Once that happens, you know it's gonna linger around in their heads for a while & they'd be hesistant about attack slants.
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unless that cb is say brandon browner of the seahawks or the WR is a flat out *&%$#, WR's aren't fearing getting hit or blown up anymore; the league has made sure of that with its definitions of defensless reciever and all that nonsense.
You can still blow a receiver up. Kj was lauded for blowing up a receiver earlier this year, so did Jjo... happens all the time. You can not hit the reciever in the head. You can not launch yourself into the receiver, you can not use the crown of your helmet. Keep both feet on the ground, aim at center mass, blow the mutha up!!!!

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As far as KJ, there's a reason he wouldn't attack it...fear of getting beat deep on double moves & if the timing is good enough with the qb & the WR, the cb has no time to react.

I'm not saying that it doesn't work, what i'm saying is that it's not likely to be as effective a strategy with an upper echelon qb/wr combo that have tons of chemistry together like Rodgers/Nelson/Jones/Jennings. Especially with them still gashing us with the run like they were doing.

Besides, both of our cb's had already been beat deep, Rodgers just missed the 1 on KJ's side on the 1st series. Once that happens, you know it's gonna linger around in their heads for a while & they'd be hesistant about attack slants.
If you're going to play your safeties up, you're better off playing off the receiver. If you've got them 3rd & long, you're better off playing a 3 deep or quarters, where your corners play off the line.

Playing off the line is not bad technique. Giving the receiver a cushion is not bad technique, you just can't make that blanket statement regardless who the QB is.

You've got to mix it up. Regardless if it's Revis playing against Rodgers, there will be times when he'll play off the receiver. That's just football.
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What remains a real head scratcher to me is if you knew that JJo (and they did know this was the case) was "compromised" going into the last 2 games, especially this last game, why did we shy away from going into a layered cover scheme whether cover 2 or cover 3........especially during the second half?
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What remains a real head scratcher to me is if you knew that JJo (and they did know this was the case) was "compromised" going into the last 2 games, especially this last game, why did we shy away from going into a layered cover scheme whether cover 2 or cover 3........especially during the second half?
Looked like they tried some rotation stuff on the back end, faking a blitz, then trying to get back... we just weren't good enough. Maybe in a few weeks, but Sunday night, they just didn't get back in time, or make their rotation in time.

Then there were times when Rodgers put the ball away from the help.
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