Won't have to deal with Ray Lewis

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by GP

The Texans were supposed to beat a Packers team that was without their best RB, their best WR, their all-world NT, a leaky OL, and a poor secondary.

Color me indifferent about us facing a "much depleted" team.

question, if Packers brought their "A" team would Texans have had the same letdown?

[Big Lou]

Ray still plays with intensity, but has lost a step. Probably hurts more than it helps us. The Ravens D will be playing to win one for the Gipper......

[dc_txtech]

I hate to hear this. I've had a lot of respect for Ray over the years, especially after hearing about his friendship with Foster.

Get well, come back soon Ray.

[handswarmer]

Funny how so some small minded people still spout the same ol crap about Ray and the fight in 99...look at what transpired and what he has done since then

Is he the same player as 5 years ago? No. 10 years ago? No. But he was still playing at a level few NFL Linebackers ever attain.

His loss will actually improve the defense IMO/

[wolf123]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Funny how so some small minded people still spout the same ol crap about Ray and the fight in 99...look at what transpired and what he has done since then

Is he the same player as 5 years ago? No. 10 years ago? No. But he was still playing at a level few NFL Linebackers ever attain.

His loss will actually improve the defense IMO/

You don't lose your best leader on the field and get better...

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by wolf123

You don't lose your best leader on the field and get better...

You need to watch him play- out of the 14 tackles he had yesterday 13 were 5-7-9 yds downfield.

He doesn't dominate the LOS nor does he dominate the 3 yds in front of it. He can't cover out of the backfield or off the LOS.

IMO he is better as a cheerleader

[wolf123]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

You need to watch him play- out of the 14 tackles he had yesterday 13 were 5-7-9 yds downfield.

He doesn't dominate the LOS nor does he dominate the 3 yds in front of it. He can't cover out of the backfield or off the LOS.

IMO he is better as a cheerleader

I have no doubt that he's not the same player he was. But Trust me losing him is not going to make your defense better. We had people say that about Cushing, how there wouldn't be much of a drop off.....

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

Ray still plays with intensity, but has lost a step. Probably hurts more than it helps us. The Ravens D will be playing to win one for the Gipper......

The Ravens are not going to play better throughout the season without their emotional leader. He tells players where to be, he instills confidence in that entire unit, and he makes that team believe. If Suggs was still healthy, then this wouldn't be quite as bad, because he provides a lot of leadership as well, but without him and Ray? Not happening. This really sucks as a fan of RL.

As for the Texans this is one less contender they have to worry about come post season.

[Section516]

Here's to a quick recovery for Rey. Amazing inspirational person.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by wolf123

I have no doubt that he's not the same player he was. But Trust me losing him is not going to make your defense better. We had people say that about Cushing, how there wouldn't be much of a drop off.....

Ray missed 4 games last year- team went 4-0; team improved in ever stat category in those 4 games...

Suggs and Webb are the reall difference makers, not Ray. He just sucks up all the oxygen in the room.....

[wolf123]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Ray missed 4 games last year- team went 4-0; team improved in ever stat category in those 4 games...

Suggs and Webb are the reall difference makers, not Ray. He just sucks up all the oxygen in the room.....

Well all 3 of them our out now...

[Fili]

Stinks for number 52. Probably his last season in the NFL, unless he pulls a Favre on us.

[Cjeremy635]

I saw this earlier on Monday Night Countdown.

When I saw it, I was like, "you gotta be $hittin' me!"

Ray is one of my favorite NFL players and his personality is contagious. I have mad respect for what he does off the field. He's a great player, but that's a temporary thing in life. The people whose lives he's touched will last a lifetime, and maybe longer, if it impacts them in such a way that they become a positive inspiration to someone else. It's the "pay it forward" concept.

DB, I totally agree about his appearance on the show A Football Life. I already really liked the guy, but that just impressed me on a whole other level. You can't help but root for the guy. To watch someone that is so fired up, in everything that they do in life, is a sight to see. Tex, you gotta make it a point to watch that episode. You won't be disappointed.

He dropped 15 lbs in the offseason to help him play faster. There's no question that his career is nearing the end, but I'd hate for it to end like this. When he retires, the game will be losing a great competitor and it will be a sad day.

I hope that somehow he is able to make a full recovery and retire the way he wants to. I have no doubt that this isn't how he visualized it playing out.

[TEXANRED]

There will never be another Ray Lewis.

[Cjeremy635]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

There will never be another Ray Lewis.

Not true. He has a son named Ray Lewis III. Just sayin', lol.

[MEGA SWATT]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

Yeah it should've ended when he shanked a man to death.

Yep, but he hired big time attorneys and bought his way to probation that would have landed an avg. man in jail for life. He also just paid off the families of those 2 men that were killed.

The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found......hmmm wonder why....it was probably red.

Hall of fame, no - more like Hall of shame.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Cjeremy635

Not true. He has a son named Ray Lewis III. Just sayin', lol.

Now thats funny

[chicagotexan2]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

From what I understand, it was just some fight that took place outside of a night club. Things like that happen and they can get out of hand real quick. I've been involved in skirmishes here and there. Nothing that major, but I think it was Ray's friends who caused the problems and Ray wouldn't rat them out or something like that. I don't remember all the facts since it has been a long time. I just know that I've never seen a gangster thug type in Ray Lewis. All I've ever seen is a great leader on and off the field. I know that whole ordeal was really bad, but I've never seen any pattern or consistency to suggest that Ray is some bad character. Just my opinion of him.

Maybe he's lived a clean life since then, maybe he's an upstanding citizen, maybe he inspires others with pep talks, maybe he does a silly dance at game intros. Maybe he just tried to protect his friends by covering up a murder. Maybe he just didn't want to rat out his friends and didn't want to cooperate with the police when two men were stabbed and killed. So what? Covering up for a friend is the same thing Paterno did and the great things he did won't reconcile or make up for what he should have done. I know he's an alltime great. But when I think of Ray Lewis I also think of the incident too, not just football. If this is the end of his playing days, tisk tisk.

[Cjeremy635]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

Maybe he's lived a clean life since then, maybe he's an upstanding citizen, maybe he inspires others with pep talks, maybe he does a silly dance at game intros. Maybe he just tried to protect his friends by covering up a murder. Maybe he just didn't want to rat out his friends and didn't want to cooperate with the police when two men were stabbed and killed. So what? Covering up for a friend is the same thing Paterno did and the great things he did won't reconcile or make up for what he should have done. I know he's an alltime great. But when I think of Ray Lewis I also think of the incident too, not just football. If this is the end of his playing days, tisk tisk.

Really? And you're perfect?

I'm not saying he did or didn't murder someone. None of us will ever know what actually happened. But, if he did, he sure decided to change his life for the positive and try to do some good in the world with the second chance he was given. I'm not the man's judge & jury. I'm not going to sit here on a message board and condemn a man for something that was never proven factual.

Dude, we're all guilty of something.

[chicagotexan2]

Originally Posted by Cjeremy635

Really? And you're perfect?

Yes really. Guess what? I am not perfect. Far from it. I don't need to ask you if you are because I know you are not, just like me, just like all of us. But I've also never tried to cover up a murder.


I'm not saying he did or didn't murder someone. None of us will ever know what actually happened. But, if he did, he sure decided to change his life for the positive and try to do some good in the world with the second chance he was given. I'm not the man's judge & jury. I'm not going to sit here on a message board and condemn a man for something that was never proven factual.



Dude, we're all guilty of something.

Yes we are. I can't condemn him either. I don;t have the power to do anything to him. But I don't see im as a hero or a great man. All I can say is I won't gloss over what he was involved in just because he puts on a good show.