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Old 10-09-2012   #241
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LZ is not the author of that article. He was basically pointing out how wrong the author was.
Ah, din't catch that. My bad. Glad I put my fingers in my pocket then. I had a few more things in mind to say. Good thing I din't.
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Texans will rue the night they took Pizza Boy J.J. Watt over Nick Fairley

Doh!, I hate it when that happens.
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A star fell right into the Houston Texans laps on draft night, like a blessing from the football gods — only Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips didn't grab him. Instead, they punted Nick Fairley right back into the boo-y night.

Fairley landed with the Detroit Lions, where he'll collect Pro Bowl berths for years to come. The Texans took a former Pizza Hut deliveryman instead. But that pizza boy sure has a lot of character.

That's really what it seems to have come down to for the Texans again with the selection of Wisconsin's J.J. Watt. This franchise may never make the playoffs under Bob McNair, but it's sure going to have high-quality gentlemen on the roster...
Man, this dude was bad wrong twice in the same piece.
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I'll give you something to compare about JJ Watt and Mario Williams, during the lockout Mario made negative noises about playing 3-4 DE, it seemed from what was coming out of our FO at the time that that was the position they had him pegged to play.

Mario didn't want to play a position with a lack of production in a contract year.
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Speaking of Detroit, has anyone heard anything from Suh lately? I think it's been a year or two.....
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Speaking of Detroit, has anyone heard anything from Suh lately? I think it's been a year or two.....
No kidding!!! The guy looked like one of the best players in football but then just disappeared after the Green Bay game. What is going on with that guy?
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It was discussed ad nauseum here at the time...

In this thread an early interview with Wade revealed that he saw Mario playing DE in his 3-4 D. Phillips spoke of Williams' false step when stood up etc...then later on there was some noise from Williams about not liking limited pass rushing opportunities, come draft day they select Watt out of nowhere and Mario is moving to OLB. I searched for the first bit for you, sure you are capable of filling in the pieces.
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It was discussed ad nauseum here at the time...

In this thread an early interview with Wade revealed that he saw Mario playing DE in his 3-4 D. Phillips spoke of Williams' false step when stood up etc...then later on there was some noise from Williams about not liking limited pass rushing opportunities, come draft day they select Watt out of nowhere and Mario is moving to OLB. I searched for the first bit for you, sure you are capable of filling in the pieces.
And now five games into the season, Watt is leading the NFL in sacks as a 3-4 DE, with stats that any 4-3 DE would be proud of, while Williams, a 4-3 DE, has stats that most 3-4 DE's would be disappointed with. Go figure.
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It was discussed ad nauseum here at the time...

In this thread an early interview with Wade revealed that he saw Mario playing DE in his 3-4 D. Phillips spoke of Williams' false step when stood up etc...then later on there was some noise from Williams about not liking limited pass rushing opportunities, come draft day they select Watt out of nowhere and Mario is moving to OLB. I searched for the first bit for you, sure you are capable of filling in the pieces.
No, I'm not going to fill in the pieces. It's conjecture which is why I'm asking you to provide a source. Williams never complained about playing anywhere. when he was a rookie & we moved him around, he didn't complain. When Wade was coming & speculation was that he'll play DE in a 3-4, he didn't complain. When moved to OLB & was told that he would have to cover, he didn't complain.

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I don't ever recall him complaining about playing DE in the 3-4, he's always said he will do what they ask him to do.
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Sure don't want to be Aaron Rodgers come Sunday.... Elias Sports Bureau just pissed off the Milkman.
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Yet Michael Strahan's record breaking gift sack of Brett Favre remains unchanged.

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It's great to hear Watt stating such a "rather" lofty goal.

Now we'll see him work his tail off even more and more.
And that's exactly what we need.
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I don't ever recall him complaining about playing DE in the 3-4, he's always said he will do what they ask him to do.
I recall the first comment I heard from Williams after the announcement of Phillips' hiring was negative. This was prior to any official announcement of a change to a 3-4 front.

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1/4/2011 Mario, You are Killing Me! By John Hallam When asked about Wade Phillips coming to Houston as defensive coordinator, this is what Mario had to say about it:

“If a pass develops, you’re pretty much rushing the guard. If I have to do it, I have to do it, but it would be a huge change.”

So, let me get this straight… Mario is concerned that he can’t beat a guard in a pass rush situation? Wow! Based on his performance in all but about 7 of his last 29 games, I can see why he would be concerned. I don’t know that Wade will be the next coach. But I do know that is an awfully poor attitude by someone that is supposed to be a team leader, who just lead the defensive to an abysmal season. So, he prefers Frank Bush’s system… Hmm, perhaps if he had played better then he would not have contributed to Bush and three other defensive coaches losing their job. Or, perhpas he would like Richard Smith’s defense back? Under Smith, the defense certainly sucked but Mario had his career best sack totals. Please tell me Mario isn’t this selfish a player and so unconcerned with winning. Please?
I remember reading this at the time and thinking that Smith was talking specifically about Williams because the big question of the day was how Williams would transition to a 3-4. Smith had experience at the position and no one expected him to have trouble with the transition.
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1/5/2011 Paul Kuharsky A 3-4 scheme would require Williams and fellow defensive end Antonio Smith to adjust their techniques and attack more to the inside of the line than the outside.

"If it doesn't suit you, it doesn't suit you," Smith said. "I think that sometimes players get a bad rap in making a decision that best suits them and the longevity of their career, and half the time they're looked at and seen in a bad light because they want to keep their career going on the same course that it was going on. And with a change of defense that doesn't suit you, you're going right on the road to ending your career, if you don't perform at that position.

"Now, if it suits, it suits," Smith said. "And if it's feasible, I can do it. But if it's not, it's just not."

Williams also said the Texans will need to get a massive nose tackle to clog the middle to make a 3-4 alignment work.

"We've got big guys, but it's just a totally different animal," he said
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“He said (defensive end) Mario (Williams) has to be one of our most successful players and that it’s up to him to put Mario in position to do that. Wade talked about some things he did with Bruce Smith in Buffalo compared to what he’ll do with Mario, and I like what I hear.”

Smith, who’s in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, recorded 65 sacks in six seasons of playing for Phillips.

“What we do depends on the players we have and the situation (down and distance),” Phillips said. “I’m really excited about working with Mario and seeing how we can take advantage of all that talent.

“I think there are ways I can help him, technique-wise, and putting him in the right matchups. He’s a special guy.”
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3/14/2011 Mario Williams' role will not change: Houston Texans DL Mario Williams' role in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 scheme will not change, according to John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle. Williams will continue to play with his hand on the ground as a defensive end. 'I think Mario fits in well with what we're going to do,' Phillips said. 'He's a five-technique, an outside rush guy. That's what he is. I don't see any difference for him. He's going to be outside all the time.' The philosophy of Phillips' 3-4, which he says is closer to a 4-3 than a traditional 3-4 because the linemen have to control one gap rather than two, is to get up the field when the ball is snapped and pressure the quarterback.
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5/5/2011 Texans will use Mario Williams at LB: The Houston Texans are planning to use DE Mario Williams as the weakside outside linebacker in their new 3-4 defensive alignment.
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5/6/2011 Mario Williams excited about change: Houston Texans LB Mario Williams said he is excited about moving from defensive end to outside linebacker because it will allow him to concentrate on rushing the passer more than before. 'I'm very excited about this,' Williams said. 'I think it'll be a good change-up for our team - not just for me, but overall because of the flexibility (defensive coordinator Wade Phillips) will have with the way he'll be able to mix things up. Playing defensive end, I have a few more responsibilities. Being an outside linebacker, I'm always on the edge. When the ball's snapped, it's full go after the quarterback.'
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5/8/2011 Texans appear willling to move Mario Williams back to DE if needed: Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak appears to be willing to move LB Mario Williams back to defensive end if he is not successful at linebacker.
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5/9/2011 Mario Williams will look to drop some weight: Houston Texans LB Mario Williams is expected to try to slim down to around 265 pounds so he can play at outside linebacker. Williams weighs 282 pounds at this time.
At some point they changed their minds about Williams' ability or willingness to play the 5-technique and to be be resigned the following year. They moved him to OLB, a position where the league average salary is less than half of Williams'. Mario only really has a bull rush...that only works if you're stronger than the other guy (good against tight ends and weaker tackles or empty space, not so good against stronger competent tackles). If you can't play against two blockers, you can't play interior line in a 3-4. They get good use out of Smith, Watt, Mitchell and Jamison who they can play at the 5-technique and then move inside on passing downs where they can attack the gaps in the line. Watching the Texans ex-pizza delivery guy destroying quarterbacks using spin and swim moves as a second year player makes me wonder why Williams never seemed to make that next step where experience and ability come together...even so it would have been cool to see him play at OLB the rest of last season. That game against Pittsburg was epic.
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I recall the first comment I heard from Williams after the announcement of Phillips' hiring was negative. This was prior to any official announcement of a change to a 3-4 front.
Good recap... still not proof that Mario made noise, or was upset about playing DE in a 3-4.

Now, for Wade's defense to truly dominate, you have to have the outside rusher & a strong inside rush. Merriman had Igor & Castillo in Sandiego, Ware had Spears & Ratcliff in Dallas. We're getting that rush from both Antonio & Watt, but we're missing that strong outside rush.

The thing that changed the conversation in your recap, was they drafted Jj Watt. If the original thought was to put Mario at end, then they just didn't see the guy they wanted to rush from the outside when it was our turn to pick. They saw Jj & figured Mario could be that guy from the outside & judging by how it went through week 5 last year, they chose right.

Think about that defense & what we've seen this year. Through week 5 last year, Mario had 5 sacks, Antonio had 3 or 4, Barwin had 2 or three, Watt had one or two, the front 7 accounted for most of our sacks & we'd occasionally blitz an ILB.

This year, we've got CBs & Safeties blitzing to get pressure on the QB (I like that we are doing it, I don't like that we have to do it). It's Jj Watt or no one getting to the QB.
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Yeah, you see Barwin's big ass back in coverage a lot...Phillips likes to put the OLBs in coverage in the flats then rush an ILB and a DB or two. I loved that disguised safety blitz that put Jake Locker on the bench against Tennessee.
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Good recap... still not proof that Mario made noise, or was upset about playing DE in a 3-4.

Now, for Wade's defense to truly dominate, you have to have the outside rusher & a strong inside rush. Merriman had Igor & Castillo in Sandiego, Ware had Spears & Ratcliff in Dallas. We're getting that rush from both Antonio & Watt, but we're missing that strong outside rush.

The thing that changed the conversation in your recap, was they drafted Jj Watt. If the original thought was to put Mario at end, then they just didn't see the guy they wanted to rush from the outside when it was our turn to pick. They saw Jj & figured Mario could be that guy from the outside & judging by how it went through week 5 last year, they chose right.

Think about that defense & what we've seen this year. Through week 5 last year, Mario had 5 sacks, Antonio had 3 or 4, Barwin had 2 or three, Watt had one or two, the front 7 accounted for most of our sacks & we'd occasionally blitz an ILB.

This year, we've got CBs & Safeties blitzing to get pressure on the QB (I like that we are doing it, I don't like that we have to do it). It's Jj Watt or no one getting to the QB.
Give it up dude, you've been proved wrong. Mario was reported as being negative about a switch to 3-4 DE, Wade was reported as wanting to do that with him. When it came down to it, they were forced to move him to a position that Wade felt he wasn't best at.

To ask for links of established facts and then claim its conjecture when someone goes to the effort of providing the building blocks for you is pretty poor form if you ask me.

And pec0, rep your way, must have been a helluva lot of work to dig all that way back for those quotes.
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Give it up dude, you've been proved wrong. Mario was reported as being negative about a switch to 3-4 DE, Wade was reported as wanting to do that with him. When it came down to it, they were forced to move him to a position that Wade felt he wasn't best at.

To ask for links of established facts and then claim its conjecture when someone goes to the effort of providing the building blocks for you is pretty poor form if you ask me.

And pec0, rep your way, must have been a helluva lot of work to dig all that way back for those quotes.
The link proved nothing of the sort. It was speculated here, that the Texans wanted Aldon Smith to be the rush end, the WOLB & Mario would play DE. But the 49ers took Smith, leaving us with Jj Watt. It was Mario's versatility that allowed them to make that decision.

If that's how it went.

Providing a link where Mario says, he won't like it, but he'll do it if that's what they ask him to do is not proof that Mario went all prima donna on us.

Like I said, he didn't complain when we put him on the weak side, strong side & inside his rookie year, hand down or up. He didn't complain when he was told he was going to have to drop back in coverage.

Mario's just not the complaining kind.
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Yeah, you see Barwin's big ass back in coverage a lot...Phillips likes to put the OLBs in coverage in the flats then rush an ILB and a DB or two. I loved that disguised safety blitz that put Jake Locker on the bench against Tennessee.
Barwin drops into coverage because he isn't a pass rusher. If Wade had a pure pass rusher, like Demarcus Ware, or Shaun Merriman, he'd never drop.
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