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Old 10-10-2012   #21
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Maybe Keyshawn if they feel comfortable with him holding onto the ball.

We can have any warm body returning kickoffs to just kneel the ball in the EZ and we'd be better off than what Holliday did.
Absolutely 100% agree here.

Kneel the ball unless you're on the 1 or beyond.

And Martin hasn't been the WR I thought he would be this year, so might as well get him some reps as KR and PR.

LeStar Jean...when is he returning? After the bye week hopefully.
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In 2011, Barrett Ruud rated 48 out of 51 ILBs with minimum 25% snaps. He was pretty equally poor in all areas, though better in pass rush.

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Hopefully that was because he was in a bad scheme and on a bad team.

That's all we can do at this point is hope. It's entirely possible that he was ill-suited to what those defenses we're trying to do with him. Look at what our questionable pile of talent turned into when the right man for the job put them all in their correct roles. I doubt that the Texans would have signed him if they didn't think he would be any help at all or if Wade didn't think he could work with his remaining skill set.
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Chron-dot-com blurb...
Now what was that someone was saying about Kubiak sticking too long with his little "experiments"??
He never liked Holliday anyway. It was a Coach Joe pick, and Coach Joe will never have a pick again because Coach Joe will probably be fired after this season, unless Kubiak can't find it within himself to do so...he has trouble letting go of coaches, and Coach Joe is as sentimental of a situation as ANY.

But yeah, Kubiak HAD to let Holliday join the 53 based on the preseason fireworks and Holliday promptly screwed it up.

Kubiak had no real personal ties to the guy. It was a Coach Joe project all the way. Had we not needed the extra roster spot, Holliday survives another week here. With how Forsett was returning the kickoff last Monday night...it sort of was a foreshadowing of what Kubiak ended up doing today.

Kubes needed the extra spot AND it was an easy and clean way to get rid of Holliday at the same time.
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That's all we can do at this point is hope. It's entirely possible that he was ill-suited to what those defenses we're trying to do with him. Look at what our questionable pile of talent turned into when the right man for the job put them all in their correct roles. I doubt that the Texans would have signed him if they didn't think he would be any help at all or if Wade didn't think he could work with his remaining skill set.
Agree. Wade plays to his players strengths.
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Im sad that the Holliday experiment didnt pan out - but cutting him is totally understandable. Please don`t let Manning return any kicks - he is too valueable. Let Martin and Forsett battle it out.

As for Ruud - Id say a typical Texans signing. Low price, mid level promise - should see the field some. He won`t be Cushings replacement - he will be Dobbins replacement and at that, I trust Wade.

Now next weeks game is the most important yet (yeah, I did it ;-). Let`s kick some Packer ass...
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That's all we can do at this point is hope. It's entirely possible that he was ill-suited to what those defenses we're trying to do with him. Look at what our questionable pile of talent turned into when the right man for the job put them all in their correct roles. I doubt that the Texans would have signed him if they didn't think he would be any help at all or if Wade didn't think he could work with his remaining skill set.
And also never underestimate the power of "new beginnings" that this can have on castoffs like Ruud.

He comes into a thriving defense, and he will be full of newly found confidence as he steps onto the field. Getting beat down on bad teams can affect players. I am not sayig Ruud is all-world now that he gets here, but he might surprise people and even motivate guys around him.

The culture here, due to Manning, Cushing, JJo, Watt, Smith, and many others...coupled with Wade's crew on the sidelines, it can do wonders for a new guy coming in here.
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At least Holliday was cut before he had a chance to fumble at the 15.
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In 2011, Barrett Ruud rated 48 out of 51 ILBs with minimum 25% snaps. He was pretty equally poor in all areas, though better in pass rush.

In 2010, Ruud was 49th out of 50 ILBs, but with a middle-of-the-pack cover grade.

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That's all we can do at this point is hope. It's entirely possible that he was ill-suited to what those defenses we're trying to do with him. Look at what our questionable pile of talent turned into when the right man for the job put them all in their correct roles. I doubt that the Texans would have signed him if they didn't think he would be any help at all or if Wade didn't think he could work with his remaining skill set.
He was battling through some injuries with the Titans and the Seahawks.

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2012...ecovering.html

He only played some ST for the Saints.
Zero snaps in the first 2 games.
2, 5, and 19 in the following 3 games.

It remains a mystery why the Saints traded for him (probably for a conditional pick), then released him, and why the Texans signed him.
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He never liked Holliday anyway. It was a Coach Joe pick, and Coach Joe will never have a pick again because Coach Joe will probably be fired after this season, unless Kubiak can't find it within himself to do so...he has trouble letting go of coaches, and Coach Joe is as sentimental of a situation as ANY.

But yeah, Kubiak HAD to let Holliday join the 53 based on the preseason fireworks and Holliday promptly screwed it up.

Kubiak had no real personal ties to the guy. It was a Coach Joe project all the way. Had we not needed the extra roster spot, Holliday survives another week here. With how Forsett was returning the kickoff last Monday night...it sort of was a foreshadowing of what Kubiak ended up doing today.

Kubes needed the extra spot AND it was an easy and clean way to get rid of Holliday at the same time.
This is how rumors get started. I'm interested to see if this is simply your speculation stated as fact, or if you have any sort of quote or proof that this is/was, indeed, Kubiak's mentality regarding Holliday.
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Sad to see Holliday go, I thought he had a chance at being a really special returner. But I understand this move because Trindon simply wasn't producing.

I expect to see Forsett as the KR and Martin as the PR.
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Ruud is a great guy, a real Texans character guy.

I've heard him on the radio a lot when in Nebraska and was always impressed.

He is pretty football smart and will be able to pick the system up well.

This far into the season you cpuld do worse than bring a guy like that in.
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Speaking out on the available ILB's Ruud should be good.
Called the Ruud signing in the Cushing injury thread.

Interesting that they kicked Holliday to the curb so quickly.

Oh well, bring it on Martin.
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He never liked Holliday anyway. It was a Coach Joe pick, and Coach Joe will never have a pick again because Coach Joe will probably be fired after this season, unless Kubiak can't find it within himself to do so...he has trouble letting go of coaches, and Coach Joe is as sentimental of a situation as ANY.

But yeah, Kubiak HAD to let Holliday join the 53 based on the preseason fireworks and Holliday promptly screwed it up.

Kubiak had no real personal ties to the guy. It was a Coach Joe project all the way. Had we not needed the extra roster spot, Holliday survives another week here. With how Forsett was returning the kickoff last Monday night...it sort of was a foreshadowing of what Kubiak ended up doing today.

Kubes needed the extra spot AND it was an easy and clean way to get rid of Holliday at the same time.
Interesting. I always thought that Holliday was a Kubiak/Rick Smith experiment. That's the kind of thing they've always done.

Regarding Coach Joe: Man, it's tough. The last original Texan. Hate to say it, but, it's time for a change. Maybe Kubiak has tasted success and realizes that hard decisions can often lead to success and brings in another ST coach.
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At least Holliday was cut before he had a chance to fumble at the 15.
You have to get to the 15 to fumble at the 15.





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He was just cut by the Saints defense, doesn't say a whole lot about what he still has left.
Amazing what good coaching can do though. Right?
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I expect to see Forsett as the KR and Martin as the PR.
From what I understand, wouldn't it be the opposite?
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Interesting. I always thought that Holliday was a Kubiak/Rick Smith experiment. That's the kind of thing they've always done.

Regarding Coach Joe: Man, it's tough. The last original Texan. Hate to say it, but, it's time for a change. Maybe Kubiak has tasted success and realizes that hard decisions can often lead to success and brings in another ST coach.
This really should have no bearing on whether or not to keep the guy. Either he does well or he doesn't. Right now it appears that he's not getting the job done and we need to shuffle things up. I'm not in favor of firing him right now, because I have no idea what the alternative is. If there is a college ST coach that could leave his post right now, then I might be willing to jump on it, but I kind of doubt that. We shall see, but maybe taking away Holliday and Keo will change things up enough to motivate the special teams players.
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He never liked Holliday anyway. It was a Coach Joe pick
unsubstantiated rumor. it's likely marciano wanted him, but to say it was solely joe's pick is an opinion that's being presented as fact.
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Hilliday did real well returning against the other guys 2nd and 3rd stringers in pre-season, but couldn't cut it against the real guys. To bad for him, but I ain't sorry to see any non-performer go.

As to these other signings, they are debth so I think it's a bit hard to say anything. But like Herv said, I'll just have to trust Wade to work his magic.
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This really should have no bearing on whether or not to keep the guy. Either he does well or he doesn't. Right now it appears that he's not getting the job done and we need to shuffle things up. I'm not in favor of firing him right now, because I have no idea what the alternative is. If there is a college ST coach that could leave his post right now, then I might be willing to jump on it, but I kind of doubt that. We shall see, but maybe taking away Holliday and Keo will change things up enough to motivate the special teams players.
I didn't say that was a reason to keep him. I was just stating a fact. He's been here since Day One. He's seen the building of a franchise.

But, yeah, I agree. He's gotta go.
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