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Old 10-03-2012   #21
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I think Matt gets killed in Dallas with their line. Romo has more escapability which is the only reason they weren't a 5-6 win team last year.
Matt is not mobile, thats for sure. He just knows where to go with the ball quickly and safely when pressured.
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Matt is not mobile, thats for sure. He just knows where to go with the ball quickly and safely when pressured.
Unless the receiver runs the wrong route, and the pass is returned for a pick-6.
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Default Re: Theismann says Romo “isn’t that good”

Tony Romo is a very good but inconsistent QB. He certainly is not up there on the intelligence scale for QB's.

Theisman was the definition of a mediocre QB. Combine that with the fact he is talking about a Cowboys QB when he has obvious bias against all things Cowboys means his opinion is worthless.
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Couple of other statistics:

Top 10 QBs in NFL history by passer rating:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Steve Young+
3. Tom Brady
4. Tony Romo
5. Philip Rivers
6. Peyton Manning
7. Kurt Warner
8. Drew Brees
9. Matt Schaub
10. Ben Roethlisberger

Not saying that proves anything, but those are some good names he's surrounded by (No all time great QBs on there because the league wasn't so pass happy back then)

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...ing_career.htm
Thanks for putting this up here. I hate this Romo isn't any good argument. You don't get on this list unless you can play. The guy puts up great numbers behind horrible o-lines. Do I think he is a leader that can take them all the way...that is another question. But as far as playing well, he does it year in and year out and if any other QB was behind that line they would be getting killed. As far as the Schaub argument..he has thrown just as many bad, late game interceptions than Romo..go back and read the board here. And he is a very good QB. Romo's one big fault is he won't learn from mistakes and has these games. But I've learned not to wish anyone away when the answer could be Bledsoe, Q. Carter or any other backup scrub out there with less mobility.

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Tony Romo is a very good but inconsistent QB.

Theisman was the definition of a mediocre QB. Combine that with the fact he is talking about a Cowboys QB when he has obvious bias against all things Cowboys means his opinion is worthless.
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Crappy drafting, crappy coaching and crappy attitude which all seems to start at the top. Their oline has sucked for a couple few years now and have done very little in attempt to improve it.

Nothing will change until Jerry steps down and hires personel to handle player personel. In other words, get used to it Boys fans
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Crappy drafting, crappy coaching and crappy attitude which all seems to start at the top. Their oline has sucked for a couple few years now and have done very little in attempt to improve it.

Nothing will change until Jerry steps down and hires personel to handle player personel. In other words, get used to it Boys fans
Personally I'm in a good place with Jerry Jones' God complex. He insists on being GM and head of operations and micromanaging any coach he hires. GOOD! As someone who loathes his football team I revel in that. I'm looking forward to the day he decides he wants to be like the late great Paul Brown and decides he wants to coach them too. I'll watch every Cowboy game with a tub of popcorn when that happens.
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What I see with Romo is that he gets into that "cascade of errors" that Kubiak talked about with HWWNBN back in the early days.

Against the Bears, Romo was playing a pretty good game except for his receivers killing him: dropped balls, missed reads, wrong routes. And then stuff starts to snowball and he starts pushing himself and trying too hard. When he does that, he starts missing throws that he was hitting earlier. Then everything blows up and you've got 5 picks and you're getting your butt kicked. IIRC, he's the only active QB who's got multiple 5+ interception games. That's a helluva stat.

I think one of his big stumbling blocks is that there have been times when he's started pushing like that and it's ended up working out. So now he's got it in his head that it works and the problem is that it's risky. If it works it's great and you're a hero but if it fails, it's utterly horrible and you're the wrong kind of goat.
Good analysis. He reminds me a bit of Favre, as The1ApplePie said, in that he starts to force things and gets in trouble for it. Favre has the record for most INTs as a result, and I would not be surprised to see Romo up there with him when it's all said and done.

Some of those passed last Monday were literally perfect, but Dez Bryant couldn't catch a ball that was in his hands. Dude looks like Jacoby Jones out there. And a couple of those INTs were all on his receivers.

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Tony Romo is a very good but inconsistent QB. He certainly is not up there on the intelligence scale for QB's.

Theisman was the definition of a mediocre QB. Combine that with the fact he is talking about a Cowboys QB when he has obvious bias against all things Cowboys means his opinion is worthless.
The Theisman bias against all things Cowboys crossed my mind, as well. Theisman is one of those talking heads that likes to hear himself talk a lot of times. I have never really thought he was that insightful, regardless of his resume.
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Can't help but think that if you put Tony Romo in our team instead of Schaub for the past 6 years you'd have pretty much the same QB. It comes down to coaching and the talent around him.
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Romo may not be an "elite" qb but he does not suck anymore than some we have in the league right now. I would not want him, and he is not getting any help from his WR's either.
I think we all know as long as JJ is ther it will always be a circus.
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Thanks for putting this up here. I hate this Romo isn't any good argument.
I will reply to you what I tell my nephew who (as a Cowboys fan) thinks Romo is a HOF QB.

Hey, if you're good with him, so am I. As a Cowboys hater I have zero complaints about Romo. The guy is just good enough to keep his job and just bad enough to keep us haters happy.

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I will reply to you what I tell my nephew who (as a Cowboys fan) thinks Romo is a HOF QB.

Hey, if you're good with him, so am I. As a Cowboys hater I have zero complaints about Romo. The guy is just good enough to keep his job and just bad enough to keep us haters happy.

Lets not get carried away here. I never said that he is HOF and don't think he is close. You have to make your team successful for that. But he does play really well a majority of the time and his numbers bear that out. I stopped hating on the guy when I flew up to see them play Minny in the playoffs. He was running for his life and it looked like a jail break from upper level Metrodome. Same thing now. A true drop back passer would get killed. There is no one right now who would do well with that line. It goes to what many are saying above...when he scrambles and is in "hero ball" mode bad things can happen because he starts flicking it around.
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Lets not get carried away here. I never said that he is HOF and don't think he us close. You have to make your team successful for that. But he does play really well a majority if the time and his numbers bear that out. I stopped hating on the guy when I flew up to see them play Minny in the playoffs. He was running for his life and it looked like a jail break from upper level Metrodome. Same thing now. A true drop back passer would get killed. There is no one right now who would do well with that line. It goes that what many are saying above...when he scrambles and is in "hero ball" mode bad things can happen because he starts flicking it around.
I'm not a Cowboys fan, but if you've read my posts in this thread, I'm obviously with you on Romo. Sadly, people like Skip Bayless and Steven A Smith have TV shows and contribute to misinformation of majority of mainstream fans.
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Tony Romo is a very good but inconsistent QB. He certainly is not up there on the intelligence scale for QB's.

Theisman was the definition of a mediocre QB. Combine that with the fact he is talking about a Cowboys QB when he has obvious bias against all things Cowboys means his opinion is worthless.
Disagree

Theismann was a clutch QB

How many rings does he have? When it mattered most he was at his best. Romo not so much.
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How many rings does he have? When it mattered most he was at his best. Romo not so much.
One more than Romo. Who knows, if Romo lasts 15 years, perhaps he can join the group. There have been some with less talent that did.
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Lets not get carried away here. I never said that he is HOF and don't think he us close.
That's the thing though - Cowboys QB's are up against a standard far above most other teams. The expectation is HoF and SB's. There are 23 QB's in the HoF. Many of them don't have a ring. So basically only half the league has ever had a HoF QB and even a smaller set has one which has won a SB. The Niners and Cowboys have two each and two Cowboys are splitting 5 SB's, the Niners 4. To carry that farther and address your point of having to make plays with his feet, Romo is playing exactly up against that in Rodger the Dodger, Captain Comeback Staubach - a QB who made time or distance with his feet and still made good decisions consistently. Then he is the anti-Aikman as well since Aikman was Mr. Post Season. It may not be fair but that is the standard for Romo.

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Theismann was a clutch QB

How many rings does he have? When it mattered most he was at his best. Romo not so much.
Disagree all you want. First I didn't compare Romo and Theisman. Second is Theisman was a mediocre QB regardless of whether he got a ring while being carried by John Riggins and a fearsome D (plus equating that to other SB rings is a joke).
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There are 23 QB's in the HoF. Many of them don't have a ring. So basically only half the league has ever had a HoF QB and even a smaller set has one which has won a SB.
Sorry. Piggybacking and taking a tangent off this because I thought it was interesting.


By my count, there are 26 HOF QBs. 18 retired in the Super Bowl era. I'm going to call it 17 because by the time he retired, George Blanda wasn't the starting QB anymore and he wasn't a starting QB for the majority of his time in the SB era.

I count 3 of those as QBs that never "led" their team to the SB: Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, and Sonny Jurgenson (who wen to a SB as a backup.) Three QBs led their team to a SB but didn't win one: Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Fran Tarkenton.

So, 2/3rds of the QBs in the HOF have led their team to a SB and one at least 1.

The QBs who have won SBs (prior to 1999) but not made it into the Hall:

1. Kenny Stabler
2. Jim Plunkett
3. Joe Theismann
4. Jim McMahon
5. Phil Simms
6. Doug Williams
7. Jeff Hostetler
8. Mark Rypien

Kurt Warner is going to be interesting and Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are definitely out. Brady, of course, makes it in. I can't see how Peyton and Eli don't make it in.

Sorry. Just found all that interesting. You can continue your regularly scheduled thread.
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Not right. Don't agree at all.

He is a lot better than "great once in a blue moon." The stats above say otherwise. You can't have 3-4 great games and stink and be in the Top 5 all time for QB rating. He has been in this category for over 3 years now. His numbers last year were monster. He also has 13 4th quarter comebacks and 13 game winning drives. 4 of these happened last year

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RomoTo00

So its not like he chokes all the time. Even when they have failed in December his numbers haven't always been horrible. His issue isn't being awful when it counts most...though that may mean different things to different people. To me it is late December games. His issue is having his stinkers in situations where he kills wins that would lift their status anytime in the year....Detroit and Giants last year. This Chicago game. They can happen anytime and without warning. That's the issue..consistency. You get the Giants game where he might have played his best game ever and then you get this game. Their schedule coming up is BRUTAL for 5 games. He might play excellent for those games but then he might stink up the joint vs say a lesser team. I mean the guy carried them with a busted body last year against a tough 49er team.

As I said above, the question isn't whether the guy is a top QB...I think he is Top 10-12. The issue is would you trust him to win you a SB and that is a good debate because I'm never sure if his bad games are solely due to the O-line product that I've witnessed or a mental product where he will never "get it."

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That's the thing though - Cowboys QB's are up against a standard far above most other teams. The expectation is HoF and SB's. There are 23 QB's in the HoF. Many of them don't have a ring. So basically only half the league has ever had a HoF QB and even a smaller set has one which has won a SB. The Niners and Cowboys have two each and two Cowboys are splitting 5 SB's, the Niners 4. To carry that farther and address your point of having to make plays with his feet, Romo is playing exactly up against that in Rodger the Dodger, Captain Comeback Staubach - a QB who made time or distance with his feet and still made good decisions consistently. Then he is the anti-Aikman as well since Aikman was Mr. Post Season. It may not be fair but that is the standard for Romo.
Incredibly excellent post Cak!!Must spread rep!
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