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Old 10-02-2012   #41
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Well, that's the part I didn't know. How many of "those things" do we have?
One, if I am remembering correctly.
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Well, that's the part I didn't know. How many of "those things" do we have?
I believe it's 1 but I'm looking for verification one way or the other.
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That doesn't make any sense.

All you have to do is put them on the inactive list like they did every other year before this was added.

The only difference that if you use the new rule you don't have to cut anyone. This has no actual bearing on the injured player if I understand right. It affects bubble guys...That's why we were discussing who was going to get cut...

Remember that?
You've got 53 player slots. If you DON'T do anything with Demps, you're going to have to cut one of those guys to make room for Nolan.

If you put Demps on the regular Injured Reserve, he's done for the season. Kubiak said Demps wasn't going on Injured Reserve, which means... someone's gotta go.

Someone brought up the option of putting Demps on the newfangled Injured Reserve, which if they did, no one would have to be cut until Demps came back. But I think you only get 1 newfangled Injured Reserve. So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.
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I believe it's 1 but I'm looking for verification one way or the other.
I found a site that said that you've got to put a player on IR with the "desgnated to return" option and you can only use it 1 time. The player has to miss 6 weeks.

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1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.
2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.
3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.
4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.

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Holliday nor Forcett are gonna be adq return guys until our entire STs step it up and notch or two. Can't run through a brick wall! Open a tiny little hole and Trinton will be gone. Hasn't happened this season.
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You've got 53 player slots. If you DON'T do anything with Demps, you're going to have to cut one of those guys to make room for Nolan.

If you put Demps on the regular Injured Reserve, he's done for the season. Kubiak said Demps wasn't going on Injured Reserve, which means... someone's gotta go.

Someone brought up the option of putting Demps on the newfangled Injured Reserve, which if they did, no one would have to be cut until Demps came back. But I think you only get 1 newfangled Injured Reserve. So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.
Do teams really think like that? I doubt it......but can't prove it
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"Newfangled injured reserve" is definitely a good name for it.
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Do teams really think like that? I doubt it......but can't prove it
I would think that they think about every possibility.
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"Newfangled injured reserve" is definitely a good name for it.
Thank you. We had our best team of monkeys working overtime on that.
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How many times have we seen Holiday on the field other than special teams?

I know he scares us, but I like Holiday returning. I feel he could break a few, but that isn't why I like him.

I like him because I would rather have him returning as opposed to our starters like Keyshawn or Manning. The reason, is because I don't want our starters to get hurt at all on a kickoff or punt return. So as long as Holiday isn't on with our offense, he should continue to return kickoffs and punts.

Based on that, I think he stays on the team.
Forsett can return kicks, not sure about punts. He was on the field on the titans last kickoff.
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So the question is, do you want to use that 1 newfangled Injured Reserve on Demps or do you want to save it in case someone else that's more important gets injured.
And my point still stands.

The actual player that you use the new IR rule on is not relevant to that actual player.

What matters is the guys that you would have to cut.

Lets say an "important player" gets an injury that will take a while to heal. What are you going to do?

You're going to do what teams have always done. Keep them on the roster but not have them active on gameday. And if you need to sign someone to replace their spot, then some bubble player will be cut...

I really don't understand what you guys are talking about.

All this rule does is enable you to bring in an extra player instead of cutting a guy to make room. The player that you use the new exception on can come back when they are healed just like a player that you put on the inactive game day roster...

Of course someone will have to be cut when said player comes back, but again, that has 0 to do with the actual player.



I'm not saying the Texans won't cut someone and not use the new rule on Demps. What I'm saying is saving it for a "more important player" doesn't make any sense.
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Forsett can return kicks, not sure about punts. He was on the field on the titans last kickoff.
Yeah I realized after that post that Forsett can indeed return kicks. Which I posted about in a later post.

It is going to be interesting as to who they cut.
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Well, I'm convinced that Demps is not our most important player...
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When Danieal Manning got hurt last year they didn't have this rule exception...He still came back when he was ready to play.

Only differnce is that he still counted against the 53 because he was just put on the inactive list..

Again, that has nothing to to with the actual injured player but rather affects the guys on the bubble that might get cut due to there being one less roster spot.
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And my point still stands.

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I'm not saying the Texans won't cut someone and not use the new rule on Demps. What I'm saying is saving it for a "more important player" doesn't make any sense.
OMG.

I think you might be right. Maybe.



Damn, it was hard to say that.
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OMG.

I think you might be right. Maybe.



Damn, it was hard to say that.
LOL...

It's all good man. Ive been wrong a lot and I'm not proclaiming to be right here.

I'm generally trying to understand the thought process and sometimes small debate and explaining and listening to different view points help with that.

When I say "that doesn't make sense" I'm not closing the door on someone making it click in my head.
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I don't think they want to keep him out for 8 weeks if he doesn't have an 8 week injury.

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LOL...

It's all good man. Ive been wrong a lot and I'm not proclaiming to be right here.

I'm generally trying to understand the thought process and sometimes small debate and explaining and listening to different view points help with that.

When I say "that doesn't make sense" I'm not closing the door on someone making it click in my head.
I'm not going to use the Texans as an example because... well... that's tempting fate.

So, let's say the Bears have their right guard go down because of a hangnail and he's going to be out for 6-8 weeks. They've got 4 options:
1) Stick him on the regular IR -- gone for the season, but you can sign a replacement.
2) Keep him on the roster as an inactive but this means you have to cut someone to sign a replacement.
3) Do an IR/Injury Settlement cut, which loses the guy from the team totally but allows him to play with some other team later. The player can force this if they want to play and don't want to go on IR. You can sign a replacement this way without having to cut anyone.
4) Stick him on the newfangled IR, sign his replacement, and then cut someone else when he becomes available.

But then what if Matt Forte, Brian Urlacher, Jay Cutler, Michael Bush, and Brandon Marshall all go down for 6 weeks? Well, besides being screwed, you're going to have to make some hard decisions about who you inactivate and who you sign to the 53 to replace them.

But ultimately, you're right. If you've got that many injuries, it doesn't matter who you use this on as long as they're REALLY going to be back in 6 weeks. You probably don't want to waste it on someone who's going to take a year to come back. You're going to have to manage your roster the same way, with some of those guys stashed as inactives until they heal up. You'll have to cut from areas where you have "surplus" depth and sign the depth for these positions as you need them.
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More likely someone that is inactive every game ...
Brandon Harris?
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