BADBOY's 2013 update

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Like thought process here, build trenches, however Texan historically don't spend high picks on them. I'm thinking this year it's gonna be a WR in 1st unless things turnaround.

Again we think alike. I wanted to go WR in first after deciding corner was solid with improved KJ and if RG is resolved and Newton locks in RT, but I keep thinking Jean is going to good. Really good.

My thinking is AJ if healthy remains WR1 for next 3 years at least. Martin should control slot, end arounds and occasionally WR2. If Jean becomes as good as expected, why use a first unless it is for a franchise type WR? I have a WR later rounds only because I have no clue how this corps ends this season.

I am now convinced the right side is not the weak area I first thought & id selecting an OG or RT it will be as a backup most likely. Two guys I want I identified as gone.

Would it not be cool if by season's end all questions are resolved and we can draft BPA?

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by badboy

First thought I'd wait until after game 3 Denver to post this but believe it should hold up unless I have evaluated the game Sunday incorrectly. As usual, I want to offer brief explanation on how I arrived at this mock. First, Kareem Jackson has responded well to coaching and if he continues, I am moving CB2 off mock (well almost as I take Hyde but want him as safety). Denver will tell us a lot but Newton looks like he will be a long time starter. Still inconclusive on Harris but 6'5 300 & will be only 28 March & I think he will agree to re-sign at reasonable money, especially if he cannot beat out Kubiak favorite Newton. As Beerlover noted http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94248
"First off Ryan Harris was a premier guard prospect coming out of Notre Dame. If healthy he could be a better option @ RT than Newton beause of his experience & ability to mirror & slide in pass pro..." My concern remains on his back recovery.

I have us picking #28 or later. Matthews, Barrett Jones gone.

1. Nose Jesse Williams 6'3" 320 Alabama. Have you watched this defense? Enough said.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...jesse-williams

I like Cody but not sure if he is in Texans future. 30 January '13. He could take a team friendy offer. I have not seen enough of Mitchell but still see him as DE. If Cody re-ups this pick probably will change. IMO, Nose is priority as of today.

2. C/RG Khalid Holmes 6'3" 305 Southern California can play all 3 interior spots. He did not start against Stanford due to ankle injury.

3A. FS/CB Micah Hyde 6'1" 190 4.43 Iowa I have watched him only with corner in mind until this season. Kid is a natural safety where his somewhat stiff hips should not hurt him. Strong and good tackler. Perfect for our D even if Quin re-signs. Good opportunity to upgrade this position.

3B (comp for Mario) OLB Dion Jordan 6'7" 243 I recently started focusing on this player. I still see Barwin gone. "To take advantage of his unique combination of burst off the snap and length, Oregon created a hybrid role for Jordan in 2011, lining him up as a stand-up pass rusher and moving him around to find favorable matchups. Demonstrating surprising fluidity for such a tall player, Jordan exploded for 13 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks, each of which led the team, earning First Team ..." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...35/dion-jordan Sounds like perfect fit for Phillip's 3-4.

4. WR Marcus Davis 6'4" 228 4.37 43" vert Virginia Tech. I watch the games and he seems to get little attention but his avg/catch is 20.4. An 85 yd TD in loss against Pitt. As Texans season progresses & I see more of Jean, I could remove WR from mock.

5A TE Jake Stoneburner 6'5" 245 Ohio ST has been used as TE, slot, Hback as most recently as WR. Remind you of anyone? Blocks with 100% effort but like most TEs can improve.

5B (for Briesel) ILB AJ Klein 6'1 244 Iowa St 101 tackles 60 solo 2 sacks. True MLB

6. RG Blaize Foltz 6'4" 310 TCU I just like this guy.

7. LT LaAdrian Waddle 6'6" 330 started 25 consecutive and will only be 21 at draft.

Heavy on Oline but that is where I see the greatest need & not convinced on Brooks yet.

1. Jesse Williams, I have no problem with this pick and the priority. I like Jesse, Sylvester Williams, and Kawaan Short. Good pick.
2. Holmes, I like the player but just don't think he'll be available. I think he goes late 1st or early 2nd, not available at #28.
3. Hyde, I like him as well and think he'd be good depth at CB after a year of learning. I'd want to try him out at CB 1st and if it doesn't work out then I'd have no problem moving him to Safety.
3b. Jordan, I don't know anything about this guy and just don't see the need. I think Barwin stays.
4. Davis, I like the size and speed but don't know anything about the player.
5. Stoneburner, I had him in an early mock but I'm just not that impressed, and the TE class as a whole is lacking.
5b. Klein, good pick and priority of the position.
6. Foltz, good pick, I think he'd be great depth and possible starter in a couple years.
7. Waddle, Wow you really dropped the OT priority. We'll know more in 2 months if Newton is the permanent RT.

I like the heavy on O-line emphasis. We're going to lose 2 maybe 3 O-linemen over the next 2 yrs. (Caldwell, W. Smith, and possibly Newton) and we need to upgrade our depth because the depth we have now will be starters next year. Also with the major investment we made in Schaub we need to keep him healthy.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

1. Jesse Williams, I have no problem with this pick and the priority. I like Jesse, Sylvester Williams, and Kawaan Short. Good pick.
2. Holmes, I like the player but just don't think he'll be available. I think he goes late 1st or early 2nd, not available at #28.
3. Hyde, I like him as well and think he'd be good depth at CB after a year of learning. I'd want to try him out at CB 1st and if it doesn't work out then I'd have no problem moving him to Safety.
3b. Jordan, I don't know anything about this guy and just don't see the need. I think Barwin stays.
4. Davis, I like the size and speed but don't know anything about the player.
5. Stoneburner, I had him in an early mock but I'm just not that impressed, and the TE class as a whole is lacking.
5b. Klein, good pick and priority of the position.
6. Foltz, good pick, I think he'd be great depth and possible starter in a couple years.
7. Waddle, Wow you really dropped the OT priority. We'll know more in 2 months if Newton is the permanent RT.

I like the heavy on O-line emphasis. We're going to lose 2 maybe 3 O-linemen over the next 2 yrs. (Caldwell, W. Smith, and possibly Newton) and we need to upgrade our depth because the depth we have now will be starters next year. Also with the major investment we made in Schaub we need to keep him healthy.

Thanks for feedback. Just some thoughts: I think Khalid Jones gets caught up in the Alabama hype during the draft and goes unnoticed if that is correct word. I think in second round there will be some panic in teams above us who will over reach to get a player that should go in third but will be selected in second. Examples: QB Zach Dysert, CB Justin Gilbert, OT Ricky Wagner, and if he can stay on the team RB Christine Michael.

Hopefully, Holmes will slip out of minds and fall to us.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by badboy

Thanks for feedback. Just some thoughts: I think Khalid Jones gets caught up in the Alabama hype during the draft and goes unnoticed if that is correct word. I think in second round there will be some panic in teams above us who will over reach to get a player that should go in third but will be selected in second. Examples: QB Zach Dysert, CB Justin Gilbert, OT Ricky Wagner, and if he can stay on the team RB Christine Michael.

Hopefully, Holmes will slip out of minds and fall to us.

I have 2 other concerns regarding Khaled Holmes. He's got perfect size for C but at 305 lbs. he's light for an OG if your wanting him to do dual duty at OG and we already have Ben Jones as depth at C. I guess at 6'04" he's got the frame to add a few pounds without losing athleticism though. Also if your looking for someone to do dual duty on the O-line, which I completely agree with, I'd rather have someone that's OT/OG. I think Rick Wagner is plenty fast to play RT in the NFL, he's played some LT in college. Even if he did turn out to be to slow for RT he'd probably be a stud OG in our system with his athleticism, thus he could be starting RT or starting OG if needed. I also like Alvin Bailey, Dallas Thomas, Gabe Jackson, and Braden Hansen if your looking for a later round OG.

Does the 2013 draft seem to be pretty talent rich/deep to you? I don't like the depth at TE but other than that this seems like it's going to be a very good draft with good talent down into the 3rd-4th round.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I have 2 other concerns regarding Khaled Holmes. He's got perfect size for C but at 305 lbs. he's light for an OG if your wanting him to do dual duty at OG and we already have Ben Jones as depth at C. I guess at 6'04" he's got the frame to add a few pounds without losing athleticism though. Also if your looking for someone to do dual duty on the O-line, which I completely agree with, I'd rather have someone that's OT/OG. I think Rick Wagner is plenty fast to play RT in the NFL, he's played some LT in college. Even if he did turn out to be to slow for RT he'd probably be a stud OG in our system with his athleticism, thus he could be starting RT or starting OG if needed. I also like Alvin Bailey, Dallas Thomas, Gabe Jackson, and Braden Hansen if your looking for a later round OG.

Does the 2013 draft seem to be pretty talent rich/deep to you? I don't like the depth at TE but other than that this seems like it's going to be a very good draft with good talent down into the 3rd-4th round.

Ben Jones just played RG @ 303; Wade Smith has started LG for years at 307.

I have watched Wagner for two years and I see him with slow, difficult slide/shuffle to the right to pick up outside rusher. I would not scream and change my drawers if we draft him but not my preference. I did have Alvin Bailey in 3rd but was unable to watch him last week. I think Ben Jones could move to RG soon unless Caldwell (2013 FA) turns it up. Drafting OC/OG makes more sense to me as Newton will lock it in. I'm leaning towards Harris being back also.

More later. Still at work.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I have 2 other concerns regarding Khaled Holmes. He's got perfect size for C but at 305 lbs. he's light for an OG if your wanting him to do dual duty at OG and we already have Ben Jones as depth at C. I guess at 6'04" he's got the frame to add a few pounds without losing athleticism though. Also if your looking for someone to do dual duty on the O-line, which I completely agree with, I'd rather have someone that's OT/OG. I think Rick Wagner is plenty fast to play RT in the NFL, he's played some LT in college. Even if he did turn out to be to slow for RT he'd probably be a stud OG in our system with his athleticism, thus he could be starting RT or starting OG if needed. I also like Alvin Bailey, Dallas Thomas, Gabe Jackson, and Braden Hansen if your looking for a later round OG.

Does the 2013 draft seem to be pretty talent rich/deep to you? I don't like the depth at TE but other than that this seems like it's going to be a very good draft with good talent down into the 3rd-4th round.

I almost forgot to finish my thoughts on your post.
I see Wagner as more of a RG but same could be said for Winston and despite many fans wanting to move Eric inside, he remained a tackle for us and his new team. I think we should see a bit more of Harris as he has had some time to acclimate & can give Newton some breathing space.


2013 draft is deep in some positions (at our picks) such as O line, DT, QB and OLBs; not so deep at ILB, WRs, DBs and RBs. Fortunately as I evaluate Texans today and how my newest mock shows, we can improve depth at Nose and Oline (2 players minimum) in first two quality picks & still get good guys all thru draft if we are as wise as last draft.

My concerns are RT, RG, MLB and WR2. We have good fall backs in first two (if Harris is as expected) but not so good in last two. Most will argue with me but I think we are very weak behind Bradie James and worse if AJ goes out for many games. We have no WR to replace AJ although Martin and/or Jean could still step up. Martin was pretty good overall in preseason but doodley squat in first two regular games. That is why I take ILB in 5th and WR in 4th. I hope I can change my mock before draft day to select only BPA each round.

[Wolf6151]

I know we've been mocking lately with an extra pick in the 3rd and 5th because of the expected comp. picks next year but remember that Tate is a FA after the 2013 season and I think Rick Smith would be foolish not to trade him this coming offseason. While I'd really like an extra 1st round pick, I think it's more realistic that we get a 2nd and another later round pick for him. How'd your new draft look with an extra 2nd rounder thrown in there? Makes ya drool don't it. Also I have to disagree with you on the depth at a couple positions in the 2013 draft, I think the secondary positions are quite good. Safety isn't great but their's much better depth than the last couple Safety drafts, and I think this could be a very good CB draft depending on who declares.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by badboy

Thanks for feedback. Just some thoughts: I think Khalid Jones gets caught up in the Alabama hype during the draft and goes unnoticed if that is correct word. I think in second round there will be some panic in teams above us who will over reach to get a player that should go in third but will be selected in second. Examples: QB Zach Dysert, CB Justin Gilbert, OT Ricky Wagner, and if he can stay on the team RB Christine Michael.

Hopefully, Holmes will slip out of minds and fall to us.

Just noticed I typed Khalid Jones above rather than Holmes. I was thinking of Ben Jones as I typed that. I want to compare them but not on my tv schedule this weekend. If any of you have an thoughts on how the two center guards compare other than size I'm interested.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I know we've been mocking lately with an extra pick in the 3rd and 5th because of the expected comp. picks next year but remember that Tate is a FA after the 2013 season and I think Rick Smith would be foolish not to trade him this coming offseason. While I'd really like an extra 1st round pick, I think it's more realistic that we get a 2nd and another later round pick for him. How'd your new draft look with an extra 2nd rounder thrown in there? Makes ya drool don't it. Also I have to disagree with you on the depth at a couple positions in the 2013 draft, I think the secondary positions are quite good. Safety isn't great but their's much better depth than the last couple Safety drafts, and I think this could be a very good CB draft depending on who declares.

I will see you and raise you! lol Remember the 2011 draft when we trade a 3 & 5 for a two and selected Brandon Harris? We were strong enough at CB to let him sit and learn for a season. My bid could be trade both 3s and 5s for late round seconds. Trade our own 2nd & our 4th for top of second round (maybe Miami who has two 2nds). That gives us a high second & two end of round seconds.

Anyone think after Texans held McGahee to 12/36, Denver might give up a late (say #22) for Tate? I'd think Manning would be screaming for a RB tomorrow. Texans: Two firsts and three seconds. Give me a mock with that!

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by badboy

I will see you and raise you! lol Remember the 2011 draft when we trade a 3 & 5 for a two and selected Brandon Harris? We were strong enough at CB to let him sit and learn for a season. My bid could be trade both 3s and 5s for late round seconds. Trade our own 2nd & our 4th for top of second round (maybe Miami who has two 2nds). That gives us a high second & two end of round seconds.

Anyone think after Texans held McGahee to 12/36, Denver might give up a late (say #22) for Tate? I'd think Manning would be screaming for a RB tomorrow. Texans: Two firsts and three seconds. Give me a mock with that!

You can't trade Comp. picks, you have to use them. As for the second bolded area, I'd bust a nut over a draft like that if it were possible as long as they lock Kubiak in a closet on draft day.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

You can't trade Comp. picks, you have to use them. As for the second bolded area, I'd bust a nut over a draft like that if it were possible as long as they lock Kubiak in a closet on draft day.

The smart thing to do is use the comp picks & trade extra picks to leverage higher future picks thereby stocking the cupboards ala New England style.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

You can't trade Comp. picks, you have to use them. As for the second bolded area, I'd bust a nut over a draft like that if it were possible as long as they lock Kubiak in a closet on draft day.

First I heard of not trading comps. Please provide link confirmation. That would be good info.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

The smart thing to do is use the comp picks & trade extra picks to leverage higher future picks thereby stocking the cupboards ala New England style.

I'd be good with using first two or three rounds for players and trading the rest.

Example use 1, 2 and comp 3 for draft & trade rest of our picks for higher future selections. We could use the fifth round comp for a project guy in draft. I am also okay with trading up 2013 & following drafts to select one very good player. At some point though you will need to start replacing expensive vets with more than first three rounds. At some point, law of diminishing returns will impact veterans and also not every selection in first three will be a positive. I guess the PS will also take on greater value in future to train guys up.

[steelbtexan]

I would like to use Tate to try to move up and get Matts eventual replacement. (I like Murray)

Then use a 2-3-5 to move into the bottom of the 1st and take Jessie Williams.

Go with BPA with the comp pick and 4th rd pick.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I would like to use Tate to try to move up and get Matts eventual replacement. (I like Murray)

Then use a 2-3-5 to move into the bottom of the 1st and take Jessie Williams.

Go with BPA with the comp pick and 4th rd pick.

Interesting but don't see need for drafting a QB for at least two seasons & by then should know more aboute Yates and Keenum. I was kicking some thoughts around about a trade for Tate this offseason & would use a late first for Tate on either A&Ms RT Matthews or Barrett Jones. Our own late first for Jesse Williams. If we could trade our second, 3rd and 5th for a late first that would be good.

Just thinking out loud but:

1a (Tate) RT Jake Matthews Texas A&M
1b (2,3 & 5th) OG/OT/C Barrett Jones Alabama
1c Texans NT Jesse Williams Alabama

New CBA would hold costs down and that would set our O line for years. We could pick up players with round 3 comp, 4th and 5th round comp.

[Wolf6151]

BB, I watched some more video the last few days and am beginning to agree with you regarding Rick Wagner-OT, and Micah Hyde-CB. Wagner does look a little slow for the NFL, he looks good against college guys but I can see what your saying, he'd have real trouble with NFL speed pass rushers. If drafted as an OT he's probably a 3rd round pick but should probably be moved to OG where he could be a early 2nd. He'd be a stud OG for the Texans. I'm also agreeing with you about Micah Hyde-CB, he does look stiff and could probably be good in zone coverage but FS seems to be his more natural position in the NFL.

I liked what I saw in Terry Hawthorne-CB and Jordan Poyer-CB. I think Hawthorne is a 2nd round pick and Poyer can maybe be had in the 3rd. Johnny Adams looked alright but not special, and Logan Ryan looked like a 4th round CB or a future FS.

I watched some video on Dallas Thomas-OT/OG and was impressed. Tenn. has moved him inside to OG this year but he's been playing OT for several years and looks to have the athleticism/agility to play RT in the NFL.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

BB, I watched some more video the last few days and am beginning to agree with you regarding Rick Wagner-OT, and Micah Hyde-CB. Wagner does look a little slow for the NFL, he looks good against college guys but I can see what your saying, he'd have real trouble with NFL speed pass rushers. If drafted as an OT he's probably a 3rd round pick but should probably be moved to OG where he could be a early 2nd. He'd be a stud OG for the Texans. I'm also agreeing with you about Micah Hyde-CB, he does look stiff and could probably be good in zone coverage but FS seems to be his more natural position in the NFL.

I liked what I saw in Terry Hawthorne-CB and Jordan Poyer-CB. I think Hawthorne is a 2nd round pick and Poyer can maybe be had in the 3rd. Johnny Adams looked alright but not special, and Logan Ryan looked like a 4th round CB or a future FS.

I watched some video on Dallas Thomas-OT/OG and was impressed. Tenn. has moved him inside to OG this year but he's been playing OT for several years and looks to have the athleticism/agility to play RT in the NFL.

IMO Wagner has Eric Winston written all over him. I think with Newton and Harris (if he remains healthy) we are past Winston type RT. I am hoping Barrett Jones Alabama who has started at OT & OG and is now center or A&Ms Matthews drops to us. Matthews reminds me a lot of his dad during Bruce's first season. Oline prospects are deep but most seem to need a lot of work. I will be big on trade ups this time as we now need quality over quantity maybe for first time.

At one point Walterfootball.com had Poyer going to Texans IIRC. Oregan St plays Arizona late Saturday but not sure which channels. I see Poyer more as a CB and his build concerns me as a tackling safety. Here is a ranking from July with some of my guys Dion Jordan and Khalid Holmes ranked. Poyer is listed #7. Read the header! http://premierscoutservices.com/2012...-ranking-1-10/

[beerlover]

It's going to be tuff to sit around & wait until the 32nd pick next April

Rick Smith might actually have to trade up to guarantee Texans add another young stud to this organization. If comp picks pan out to be true they could use their regular slotted picks to move up into top 15 & snag Notre Dame ILB Monti Te'o? I can't think of a singular upgrade available who could solidify this team moving forward more. Next to Cushing, middle of Texan run defense would be virtually impenetrable.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by beerlover

It's going to be tuff to sit around & wait until the 32nd pick next April

Rick Smith might actually have to trade up to guarantee Texans add another young stud to this organization. If comp picks pan out to be true they could use their regular slotted picks to move up into top 15 & snag Notre Dame ILB Monti Te'o? I can't think of a singular upgrade available who could solidify this team moving forward more. Next to Cushing, middle of Texan run defense would be virtually impenetrable.

Agree on trade up. I really liked Te'o last season but have not watched him much so far this year. My idea of selecting Dont'a Hightower in first round 2102 seems even better now. OLB even if Barwin leaves should be stronger than MLB now.

[badboy]

Some info on Te'o http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...013&genpos=ILB

FYI his grandmother died recently then his girlfriend right after with leukemia