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Old 09-23-2012   #81
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hmmm maybe its just me but i always see barwin getting some pressure, usually making the QB step up in the pocket, or making the QB run out of the pocket. Causing bad throws and making the QB step up can be as good as sacks....
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hmmm maybe its just me but i always see barwin getting some pressure, usually making the QB step up in the pocket, or making the QB run out of the pocket. Causing bad throws and making the QB step up can be as good as sacks....
I think your right but if Barwin wants to maximize his leverage and money he better start getting sacks. I am sure the coaching staff is happy with his effort but his agent and wife are not. When you pay an OLB top 5% you better have more than 0 sacks after week 3.
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Yeah, I don't mind the lack of sacks but I haven't really noticed him being a force on the weakside. I can't imagine Mercilus sitting on the bench this much if the level of production stays the same. Not down on him yet but a bit curious where his spin move went...
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Kubiak on Barwin

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“Connor’s playing extremely well,” Kubiak said. “Those things (sacks) will come. He plays with tremendous effort, and those things will happen for him.”
You can never be certain what Gary is thinking though.....He used to say the same sort of things about Mario when Mario would disappear.
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I think JJ is just hogging all of the sacks. What a jerk!
It's only a matter of time before they start game planning for Jj... then the other guys should start teeing off.
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It's only a matter of time before they start game planning for Jj... then the other guys should start teeing off.
I can't imagine we've been playing teams that aren't already game-planning around JJ, but I certainly hope he is overlooked.
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It's only a matter of time before they start game planning for Jj... then the other guys should start teeing off.
Yep. JJ will start drawing double teams then Barwin will bust out.

Pick your poison.
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Yep. JJ will start drawing double teams then Barwin will bust out.

Pick your poison.
He's already beating double teams & so is Antonio. They'll have to do something else, & that's when it's going to get crazy. Three tight end sets, 2 receiver patterns... then Wade starts throwing safeties blitzes...

I can't wait.

There was one play, the one where Jj does a beautiful arm over swim move on a guard, then punks the RB in the backfield & sacked Manning the same time Antonio got there after splitting a Center/Guard double.
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I like how a Conner Barwin thread derails into how awesome JJ Watt is. Can't blame you though. He is awesome.

Someone mentioned Barwin moving inside to DE. Never going to happen. He's a natural 3-4 OLB, and keeping that position keeps his market value up.

Barwin will do fine this season. But it will probably be his last in Houston.
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I like how a Conner Barwin thread derails into how awesome JJ Watt is. Can't blame you though. He is awesome.

Someone mentioned Barwin moving inside to DE. Never going to happen. He's a natural 3-4 OLB, and keeping that position keeps his market value up.

Barwin will do fine this season. But it will probably be his last in Houston.
Barwin is a strongside 3-4 OLB. We've got him playing on the wrong side.
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I like how a Conner Barwin thread derails into how awesome JJ Watt is. Can't blame you though. He is awesome.

Someone mentioned Barwin moving inside to DE. Never going to happen. He's a natural 3-4 OLB, and keeping that position keeps his market value up.

Barwin will do fine this season. But it will probably be his last in Houston.
Who is going to replace Barwin? I really feel like our LB corp has dropped off hard from last year and there seems to be no end in sight
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We didn't draft Mercilus in the 1st round to be a situational passrusher his entire career.
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you guys know he's gone against jake long and ryan clady, right? plus i dont think wade is blitzing his OLBs as much as he did last season.
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you guys know he's gone against jake long and ryan clady, right? plus i dont think wade is blitzing his OLBs as much as he did last season.
We've got 4 or 5 guys coming pretty much every play that we're in the 3-4 alignment. Connor's getting his rushes.

We're tied for 6th in sacks. We're in first for allowing the fewest yards per pass attempt. We're 4th in yards per game. And we're 4th in opponents QB rating.

We're getting pressure. We're forcing bad throws (which should have resulted in more interceptions if our DBs didn't have hands of granite.) We're doing OK even though we're not getting big production from Connor, Brooks, or Mercilus, yet.

Yet.
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You can never be certain what Gary is thinking though.....He used to say the same sort of things about Mario when Mario would disappear.
Yeah, but Barwin hasn't disapeared.. He's supplied pressure plenty of times so far. He's just been beat to the QB or the QB got the ball out. Fans put too much weight on sacks, Barwin isn't being stone walled our there, He's pressuring the QB. Kubiak is right, the sacks will come and this is a non issue for me.
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you guys know he's gone against jake long and ryan clady, right? plus i dont think wade is blitzing his OLBs as much as he did last season.
Pro Football Focus agrees with you....
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After a disappointing 2011 by his standards, offensive tackle Ryan Clady has been playing as well as any OT in the league in 2012. He was outstanding on Sunday, as he did not surrender a QB Disruption on his 60 pass block attempts. Through three games, he’s given up only one QB hit on his 136 attempts. Clady is a player who often lives off reputation after he did not surrender a sack during his rookie season in 2008, but he was actually much better in 2009 and 2010 before taking a step back last season. Continued strong play will keep his reputation matched up with on-field production.

As Manning continues to shake the rust from his season away from the game, Clady’s blindside protection will go a long way toward increasing his comfort level in the pocket.

Game Notes
- Houston used 3-WR sets only 13 times, which in turn, kept pass rush specialist OLB Von Miller in his 4-3 OLB spot more often. He only rushed the passer 13 times while dropping into coverage on 18 snaps

- Texans OLB Connor Barwin was the man going up against Clady more often than not. Barwin finished without a pressure on his 51 rushes.

- (Peyton) Manning was 6-for-16 for 73 yards and a -2.2 grade when the Texans blitzed.
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Barwin had 11.5 sacks last year.

After his third game last year he had one less tackle and one more sack than he's registered so far this season.

He'll be 26 years old in October, so I can't imagine that he's lost any athleticism.
Here are his stats:
2009: 4.5 sacks
2010: injured in game 1. 0 stats
2011: 11.5 sacks
2012: thus far 0 sacks

Barwin had 11.5 sacks last year but only 4.5 combined the previous two. He does not have a positive track record in this department. He does not get the benefit of the doubt $ wise becuase he has not shown consistency yet over multiple seasons.
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Barwin is one of my favorite players on the team, and the fact that he became 'the guy' after Mario got injured last year means that people will and did scheme against him and he's had to deal with some of the better LTs in the game.

Even then, there have been at least two occasions where he's gotten to the QB, but only a millisecond after Watt has. Barwin doesn't look like he's given up, it's simply a matter of being outshone by a potential MVP/DPoY player and being on a team of great pass rushers, rather than being the sole one.
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Barwin is one of my favorite players on the team, and the fact that he became 'the guy' after Mario got injured last year means that people will and did scheme against him and he's had to deal with some of the better LTs in the game.

Even then, there have been at least two occasions where he's gotten to the QB, but only a millisecond after Watt has. Barwin doesn't look like he's given up, it's simply a matter of being outshone by a potential MVP/DPoY player and being on a team of great pass rushers, rather than being the sole one.
One of many does not get him a one of a kind contract. He needs sackos to get pesos.
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